why do USA politicians love environmental protection so much now? because
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Climate change is a real concern. Though I always look at the solutions with the words ‘beware of unintended consequences’ in mind. Look at the mess in regard to recycling where millions of tonnes of materials that people think are going to be recycled instead go to landfill or are burnt.
In regard to plastic waste there needs to be measures taken to reduce it, minimum prices for plastic bags has demonstrably worked.
I look at today's description of "sustainable" the same way. It's a lie told to keep the public pacified towards a problem we can't solve.
To be sure, I bet there's tribes in the Amazon somewhere that have literally a zero long term ecological impact....but 8 billion people will not and cannot live that way. That's the only real "sustainable" society.
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Too many plastic bags? Let's charge for them. Problem solved.
Too much CO2 in the atmosphere? Let's reduce outputs. Problem solved.
Rivers poluted? Let's issue heavy fines. Problem solved.
Too much waste? Let's recycle. Problem solved.
I could go on. With the rider that the problems aren't really solved. They're in the process of being solved. But it shows that we know what's wrong and we know what we need to do. And generally how to do it. Getting consensus can be a problem as some solutions cost money in the short term. Or at least require a rearrangement in how money is spent.
But a problem we can't solve? I think not.
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Ok...clearly you don't know much about the topic.
What do you think a best case scenario of 0% emissions starting tomorrow looks like for the future of climate change?
According to general scientific consensus.
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Pretty bleak given how long co2 is in the atmosphere, the temp rise is baked in.
But there is no reason not to reduce the use of plastics, regulate the types of plastics used thereby making recycling easier and cheaper. And continue pushing for the continued switch from fossil fuels to solar and wind, with nuclear in the mix.
Off cause whilst you have nutcases like the brazilian leader actively encouraging the devestation of the Amazon at ever increasing rates I'm not optimistic.
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Pretty bleak indeed...
And since we're clearly not going to be 0% emissions tomorrow....the realistic forecast is far bleaker.
As for solutions, because international shipping and commercial flights release massive amounts of carbon emissions ...they tend to get grouped together and ranked pretty consistently in the top 10 biggest emissions sources in the world (typically around number 5).
Nobody talks about this because frankly, we are going back to sailboats and airplanes don't run on solar panels.
We will, to a certainty, use up every single fossil fuel we can.
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It primarily has to do with overpopulation. The first major environmental movement was started by Teddy Roosevelt, right around the time the world population was nearing 2 billion. We were starting to realize we couldn't just recklessly use resources anymore without dire consequences.
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To the examples I gave and many others...
I've never seen anyone put forward even an outline of what a solution would look like.
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I think I did. But I didn't go into details for each one. Maybe that's what you mean. We know what we have to do - we know what the solutions actually are. It's just that we can't agree on how to do it. That's especially true with reducing CO2.
Although, come to think of it, I did give some details. Want to reduce the use of plastic bags? Then charge for them. Everyone down here brings their own bags to the supermarket these days. So some problems are easy to solve. Some not so much.
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Because it appears the current president likes it, and politicians shift with the wind.
His predecessor enjoyed bombastic bullying and browbeating those beneath him; look at the followers he inspired.
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The usa Is Declaring 23 Plants And Animals Extinct
Extinct animals: Ivory-billed woodpecker and 22 other species make the 2021 list - CNN
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Extinct animals: Ivory-billed woodpecker and 22 other species make the 2021 list - CNN
Birds, bat and fish among 23 species declared extinct by USA
The U.S. Is Declaring 23 Plants And Animals Extinct
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