Futurist Only Is Trumpet 6 the same as Bowl 6?

vinsight4u · Jun 5, 2021

Daniel 8:19
shows - latter end of the indignation

Daniel 11:36 - the indignation
/the same man that 2 Thessalonians refers to that will exalt himself

Daniel 9:27 shows - that determined - accomplished
Daniel had been telling how 70 years of Babylon's king time is determined upon
the nations. That knowledge was from a prophecy written by Jeremiah.

Isaiah 13 refers to a day of the Lord against Babylon - and the world - refers to it
as - her time.
Babylon has never fallen as foretold in this or as in Jeremiah 50-51.
every man did not flee Babylon - even Daniel stayed

The little horn mouth of Revelation 13 will speak great things.
same as for Daniel 7:20
and Daniel 11:36 - exalt himself - speak marvellous things

He goes down at the end of Daniel 11.
The FACT that he goes down at the end of Daniel 11 should tell you that he is NOT the Antichrist as we know that the Antichrist is cast into the pit. We can further prove this by looking at the events of Rev 12.

Daniel 12:1 goes back in time to give more clarity as to what happened when
as the whirlwind he entered into the glorious land/Israel.
Daniel 12 begins not with the next step in a prophecy, but shows we are
to go back and find - at that time. It is referring to a specific point that
happened already in Daniel 11.

vinsight4u · Jun 5, 2021

Choose Wisely said:
There will be more that one who claims to be the Messiah.
Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

Daniel 11 is not just about any ole false king - he makes a league and
doesn't keep it. He goes to the holy site. The holy being was revealing
prophecy - a vision story that would befall Daniel's people in the latter days.

Daniel 10-12 all goes together.
Daniel 10 - a vison - latter days
the truth - that Michael holds
Daniel 11 - now - shew - the truth
So, somewhere we should get the details as to what happened
in the vision shown to Daniel back in chapter 10.

Daniel 11:14 - has -to establish the vision
/not a vision starts - but the vision

Daniel 11:36 mentions this as - determined.
Daniel 9:27 also mentions - determined

This time of 1290 days will be shortened - making this the great
tribulation time when God would have mercy on Israel.
Daniel 12 - when He sees her power is gone - type of scene
Deuteronomy 32 shows- God will repent
then He avenges His servants

Both are 1260 days - times, time and half a time
just- like Daniel 7 and Revelation 13, 12
42 months - Revelation 11 - to tread down the holy city
to -make war against the saints - that is the church
Daniel rests till the end of the 1290 days. Afterwards, he will
stand.

there shall be a resurrection of the just

Paul wanted to attain to the resurrection.

Jesus was asked as to - in the resurrection whose wife would
she be.

the resurrection to life
and one to damnation

Choose Wisely · Jun 6, 2021

vinsight4u said:
Daniel 8:19
shows - latter end of the indignation

Daniel 11:36 - the indignation
/the same man that 2 Thessalonians refers to that will exalt himself

Daniel 8 is about the little horn, the Antichirst.
Daniel 11 is about "A" King of the North, the 7th king.
The 8th king, the Antichrist, is cast into the pit at the end.
The 7th king comes to His end at the end of Daniel 11.

vinsight4u said:
Daniel 12:1 goes back in time to give more clarity as to what happened when
as the whirlwind he entered into the glorious land/Israel.
Daniel 12 begins not with the next step in a prophecy, but shows we are
to go back and find - at that time. It is referring to a specific point that
happened already in Daniel 11.

No.......let the verses speak for themselves.

Dan 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Daniel 12 says, AND AT THAT TIME. What time? The time when the King of the North comes to his end. That man is not the Antichrist. He is the 7th king and rider of the white horse in the 1st seal.

Choose Wisely · Jun 6, 2021

vinsight4u said:
Daniel 11 is not just about any ole false king -

Daniel 11 is about the King of the North, exactly like it says.

vinsight4u · Jun 7, 2021

Choose Wisely said:
Daniel 11 is about the King of the North, exactly like it says.

Zechariah 5 shows that the land of Shinar will rise again.
two mountains of brass- north country -south country - of the former Greek kingdom area
Daniel 2- brass kingdom -

Daniel 11 - four parts and more split off from Alexander's empire. The north area becomes
above the south - as in Syria/Babylon above Egypt

Jesus Christ told as to when ye see the abomination -spoken of by Daniel -...for
then shall be great tribulation.

Daniel 12 is linked to the end of Daniel 10 as to how Daniel would be shown by
the holy being what Michael holds. This holy being returns again at the start
of chapter 11 and stays with Daniel until he has seen the part in the book as
to what Michael holds. This holy being then soon leaves and others show up
to speak to Daniel in chapter 12.
At that time -links back to Daniel 11:40. "At the time..."

Daniel 11:41
"He shall enter the Glorious Land, and many countries..."
Daniel 12 is clarifying that this is the time such as never was -the
great tribulation.

You are trying to make Daniel 12 seem to say - And after that time.

It doesn't introduce a new period of time of war that happened as to
the counties being taken by a king that lived while there is a holy
covenant, a league with him, he overthrew the prince of the covenant,
exalted himself above God, and gained many ships so he could become
a whirlwind of terror.

Choose Wisely · Jun 7, 2021

vinsight4u said:
Zechariah 5 shows that the land of Shinar will rise again.
two mountains of brass- north country -south country - of the former Greek kingdom area
Daniel 2- brass kingdom -

Daniel 11 - four parts and more split off from Alexander's empire. The north area becomes
above the south - as in Syria/Babylon above Egypt

Jesus Christ told as to when ye see the abomination -spoken of by Daniel -...for
then shall be great tribulation.

Daniel 12 is linked to the end of Daniel 10 as to how Daniel would be shown by
the holy being what Michael holds. This holy being returns again at the start
of chapter 11 and stays with Daniel until he has seen the part in the book as
to what Michael holds. This holy being then soon leaves and others show up
to speak to Daniel in chapter 12.
At that time -links back to Daniel 11:40. "At the time..."

Daniel 11:41
"He shall enter the Glorious Land, and many countries..."
Daniel 12 is clarifying that this is the time such as never was -the
great tribulation.

You are trying to make Daniel 12 seem to say - And after that time.

It doesn't introduce a new period of time of war that happened as to
the counties being taken by a king that lived while there is a holy
covenant, a league with him, he overthrew the prince of the covenant,
exalted himself above God, and gained many ships so he could become
a whirlwind of terror.

The King of the North in Daniel 11 is not the Antichrist.
We know that because he comes to his end before the great tribulation even begins.

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Jeffwhosoever · Jun 7, 2021

Daniel 12 is compelling proof that most of Revelation has not happened yet. Otherwise why am I not already delivered since my name is in the Lamb's book of life (I sure hope!!!)? And Daniel 12 says that a time of trouble or tribulation is going to occur that will be unrivaled either in the past or future. A lot worse has happened to both Israel (WW2) and Christians (Dark ages to Soviet Union to ongoing persecutions).

vinsight4u · Jun 8, 2021

Choose Wisely said:
The King of the North in Daniel 11 is not the Antichrist.
We know that because he comes to his end before the great tribulation even begins.

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Maybe if you looked at it as meaning - during that time, then you'd see that Daniel12:1 is giving
a summary part that fits into Daniel 11 and the time of the little horn that fulfills the 2 Thessalonians 2
prophecy as to the son of perdition that exalts himself.

I just checked several commentaries and they agree with me -Daniel 12 is not starting to unfold
after Daniel 11:45.

Daniel Chapter 12

Daniel 12:1 Commentaries: "Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued.

Daniel 12:1 Commentaries: "Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued.

I don't agree with every detail in all of what they say as to each verse in Daniel 12, just
want to show you how Daniel 12:1 is not to be seen as an after event, but during Daniel
11.

Daniel 11 as it ends, tells king after king and battles --in his estate....and then it
does not jump to Daniel 12 with no mention of a new king as to the end times.

at that
as in - put this in that
make this occur - during that time just being spoken of

vinsight4u · Jun 8, 2021

Jesus Christ told when ye see - abomination - spoken of by Daniel and told to read
the - as in one - not many times in the future act
the abomination

Daniel 11 has this abomination act in only one verse. That is the one that is for the
time linked by Jesus Christ as being when the people are to flee Judea, and by Paul as
to the son of perdition.

Daniel 12 shows that from the time of the abomination will be 1290 days, then Daniel
will stop resting and gain his inheritance -stand.

Paul told his readers at that church to remember - recall how he spok to them about
this man. Daniel 12 as a stand alone point in time would not have given Paul the information
he had preached on when he'd been at their church.

when - with you
told
remember
He had told how the man of sin time leads up to the day of Christ.
He got the information from Daniel 10-12.

Choose Wisely · Jun 9, 2021

vinsight4u said:
Maybe if you looked at it as meaning - during that time, then you'd see that Daniel12:1 is giving
a summary part that fits into Daniel 11 and the time of the little horn that fulfills the 2 Thessalonians 2
prophecy as to the son of perdition that exalts himself.

I just checked several commentaries and they agree with me -Daniel 12 is not starting to unfold
after Daniel 11:45.

Daniel Chapter 12

Daniel 12:1 Commentaries: "Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued.

Daniel 12:1 Commentaries: "Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued.

I don't agree with every detail in all of what they say as to each verse in Daniel 12, just
want to show you how Daniel 12:1 is not to be seen as an after event, but during Daniel
11.

Daniel 11 as it ends, tells king after king and battles --in his estate....and then it
does not jump to Daniel 12 with no mention of a new king as to the end times.

at that
as in - put this in that
make this occur - during that time just being spoken of

I am going to study this further. Thanks for your thoughts.

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