No, the riot at the Capitol on Jan. 6 wasn’t a ‘completely peaceful protest’

pescador said:

You're implying that breaching the Capitol was just another demonstration, but it wasn't. By any stretch of the imagination.

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The 2020 demonstrations were also violent, that's the point. I'm sure in both cases, most of the people were there to exercise their first amendment rights. And in both cases, there was a much smaller group who had more nefarious intent. But the left condemns one group and gives a pass to the other.

iarwain said:

The 2020 demonstrations were also violent, that's the point. I'm sure in both cases, most of the people were there to exercise their first amendment rights. And in both cases, there was a much smaller group who had more nefarious intent. But the left condemns one group and gives a pass to the other.

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Why are you equating a violent mob attacking the Capitol building and its occupants -- the Congress and their staffs, capitol police and other legitimate occupants -- with the intent of overthrowing the election of the President with people demonstrating in various cities for various causes? They are world's apart in terms of their effect on our nation and our democracy.

Landon Caeli said:

I agree, but I also think the 2020 riots were totally violent, even though the media and others try painting another picture.

...They broke into and destroyed stores, setting fires, etc.

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Where has the media painted the riots as being anything other than violent?

renniks said:

And thosands who were present did not. So statistically it was mostly peaceful.

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The people who stayed beyond the barricades did not storm the Capital and could be defined as mostly peaceful protesters but the ones that stormed the Capital building were not peaceful protesters.

pescador said:

You wrote, " I'm not grasping why all those on on one side are violent, but on the other side they're not, even though the actions seem similar in nature." You're implying that breaching the Capitol was just another demonstration, but it wasn't. By any stretch of the imagination.

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Nope that wasn't me. You are quoting someone else.
But he has a point.

Yarddog said:

Where has the media painted the riots as being anything other than violent?

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Are you serious?

Yarddog said:

The people who stayed beyond the barricades did not storm the Capital and could be defined as mostly peaceful protesters but the ones that stormed the Capital building were not peaceful protesters.

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Still a mostly peaceful protest. Just like any BLM protest where only a small percentage are doing the actual violence.

pescador said:

Why are you equating a violent mob attacking the Capitol building and its occupants -- the Congress and their staffs, capitol police and other legitimate occupants -- with the intent of overthrowing the election of the President with people demonstrating in various cities for various causes? They are world's apart in terms of their effect on our nation and our democracy.

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First off, the BLM/Antifa riots were more violent. More property was destroyed, and more people were killed. None of the rioters on Jan. 6 shot or killed anyone. Secondly, the victims of the BLM/Antifa riots were ordinary citizens, and I do not place their lives as being of any less value of the "elite leaders" in Congress. Yet the police in those riots were often told to stand down, while our political leaders brought in the National Guard to protect them for months.

Third, you want to talk about the effect on our nation and our democracy? Vilifying the police, advocating defunding (if not abolishment) of the police, inflaming racial tensions, and spreading a narrative that the police are hunting black people in the streets, and act as the arm of white supremacists in the US are having a far more devastating effect on our country than the capitol riot did. The capitol riot was a one day incident. The BLM/Antifa riots are still going on.

renniks said:

Are you serious?

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Yes. You do know the definition of "riot", don't you?

renniks said:

Still a mostly peaceful protest. Just like any BLM protest where only a small percentage are doing the actual violence.

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And? That wasn't the point of the OP. The riot wasn't peaceful.

Yarddog said:

And? That wasn't the point of the OP. The root wasn't peaceful.

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The root? Also how many people who went into the capital actually committed violence? I kept hearing during the BLM riots that property damage isn't violence. Does the same standard apply here?

renniks said:

Nope that wasn't me. You are quoting someone else.
But he has a point.

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I replied to this post...

renniks said: ↑
Where did I defend breaching the capital?

renniks said:

The root? Also how many people who went into the capital actually committed violence? I kept hearing during the BLM riots that property damage isn't violence. Does the same standard apply here?

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Why are you so intent on defending a violent mob who tried to overthrow a very important, legitimate function of Congress?

Even if there were other mob incidents there is no denying what happened on January 6 in Washington. It was a heinous, violent assault on our democracy. Period.

This thread is baffling. It's a binary proposition. Was it "completely peaceful" or was it not? No amount of whataboutery and pointing the finger at other riots (or protests where some people have rioted) can change the facts.

No. It was not a completely peaceful riot. Anyone who claims otherwise can tell that to the family of Officer Brian Sicknick who died in the line of duty, allegedly after being sprayed with a toxic chemical. Or even just watch the footage. Despicable.

pescador said:

I replied to this post...

renniks said: ↑
Where did I defend breaching the capital?

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And you quoted someone else. Go back and look.

pescador said:

Why are you so intent on defending a violent mob who tried to overthrow a very important, legitimate function of Congress?

Even if there were other mob incidents there is no denying what happened on January 6 in Washington. It was a heinous, violent assault on our democracy. Period.

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So, we are applying a different standard or not?
The other mobs set the precedent for what was now acceptable behavior. I'm not condoning any of it. But if a society is going to accept anarchy for some groups as acceptable, it doesn't make sense to have a different set of rules for another group.

renniks said:

So, we are applying a different standard or not?
The other mobs set the precedent for what was now acceptable behavior. I'm not condoning any of it. But if a society is going to accept anarchy for some groups as acceptable, it doesn't make sense to have a different set of rules for another group.

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There are reasons that people view this as different. People seemed to be responding to a call from a sitting President.

Can you imagine any other sitting President using the language Trump did? And let's not focus solely on his injunction to "Peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard". He also said "If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore" and "We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn't happen". How many of his supporters were plausibly going to hear him railing against an election that he claimed was stolen, then hear him tell them to fight like hell, then hear him tell them never to concede, and then think "oh I'll just make my voice heard"?

You have to stretch credulity to breaking point.

iarwain said:

The 2020 demonstrations were also violent, that's the point. I'm sure in both cases, most of the people were there to exercise their first amendment rights. And in both cases, there was a much smaller group who had more nefarious intent. But the left condemns one group and gives a pass to the other.

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Some of the scariest "2020 demonstrations" took place in the state capitols of Lansing, Michigan and Richmond, Virginia.
In Virginia, protesters were outraged at the effrontery of the Virginia legislature considering eight gun regulations. 22,000 armed people showed up, along with 3 neo-Nazis who were fortunately apprehended quickly. They were peaceful, but I'm sure that over 1,000 police officers were dispatched (at taxpayer expense) to protect the Capitol.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/20/thousands-of-armed-activists-gather-at-virginias-pro-gun-rally.html
In Lansing, Michigan, though, demonstrators forced state legislators to go into the Capitol wearing kevlar vests surrounded by bodyguards. Eventually they were so disruptive that the Capitol had to be closed. And what terrible affront was the legislature considering? Regulations to protect the public health in a pandemic! How dare they! (Sheesh!)
And of course, a few months later a kidnapping plot against Governor Whitmer was fortunately discovered before the kidnappers had the opportunity to catch and kill her.
michigan demonstrations - Bing video

Derek1234 said:

There are reasons that people view this as different. People seemed to be responding to a call from a sitting President.

Can you imagine any other sitting President using the language Trump did? And let's not focus solely on his injunction to "Peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard". He also said "If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore" and "We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn't happen". How many of his supporters were plausibly going to hear him railing against an election that he claimed was stolen, then hear him tell them to fight like hell, then hear him tell them never to concede, and then think "oh I'll just make my voice heard"?

You have to stretch credulity to breaking point.

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I can imagine it because it's standard language for standing up for what you believe in.
He didn't endorse violence as the current vice president did when she endorsed " unrest in the streets."

renniks said:

The root?

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Lol, sorry, spell check.

Also how many people who went into the capital actually committed violence?

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Anyone who stormed the Capitol Building by breaking down the barricades were violent insurrectionists.

I kept hearing during the BLM riots that property damage isn't violence.

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Please provide proof of this and I'll call them idiots.

Does the same standard apply here?

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The standard is the same but people's perceptions are different because they allow personal opinions to cloud their thinking.