Who Wrote the Bible?

Taodeching · Jun 3, 2021

***WARNING: Some who do not poses an open mind may be quite perturbed by the following ***

I hope this is the right place to post this. I watched this video last night about Who Wrote the Bible? My ex evangelical started creeping up when he said different things about the Bible but I wanted to give a listen with an open mind, I am a recovering evangelical

. I like the information and he only talks about the Pentateuch. I just wanted to get people's thought. This is the first one in a series and here is the video I saw:

He also had a great response video to people who were negative:

***WARNING: Some who do not poses an open mind may be quite perturbed ***

HTacianas · Jun 3, 2021

Taodeching said:
I hope this is the right place to post this. I watched this video last night about Who Wrote the Bible? My ex evangelical started creeping up when he said different things about the Bible but I wanted to give a listen with an open mind, I am a recovering evangelical . I like the information and he only talks about the Pentateuch. I just wanted to get people's thought. This is the first one in a series and here is the video I saw:

He also had a great response video to people who were negative:

It was written by a number of different people and at least once it was consolidated, edited, and redacted.

Taodeching · Jun 3, 2021

HTacianas said:
It was written by a number of different people and at least once it was consolidated, edited, and redacted.

That is pretty much what the video says

HTacianas · Jun 3, 2021

Taodeching said:
That is pretty much what the video says

I haven't seen the video but I've probably heard what's in it in some form or another.

Taodeching · Jun 3, 2021

HTacianas said:
I haven't seen the video but I've probably heard what's in it in some form or another.

I never heard anything like that before. For me I am still digesting this new (for me) way of seeing the Bible.

HTacianas · Jun 3, 2021

Taodeching said:
I never heard anything like that before. For me I am still digesting this new (for me) way of seeing the Bible.

A theory goes that there were two texts of the bible, or two bodies of texts, that were redacted and combined into one. I happen to believe that myself. It goes the "J" text, which should be the "Y" text, and the "El" text. They may have belonged to the northern and southern tribes of Israel. Both were basically the same thing but two texts nonetheless.

Tolworth John · Jun 4, 2021

Taodeching said:
wanted to give a listen with an open mind, I am a recovering evangelical .

May I suggest then that you read a conservative evangelical review of this series, as a lot of what he says is not true. By that statements that about academics hiding theories about how the Bible was written, and understood.
These theories are taught in theological colleges. As are the various arguments about the historical accuracy of both the old and new testament.

Have a look for a different view of it at:-
Evangelical-times.org/27262/who-wrote-the-bible/

Check out the views of an archaeologist who dug up much of the middle East.
Sir William Mitchell Ramsay. He wrote as a result of his discoveries that Luke the author of Acts was a historian of the first order, always accurate.

I'm putting an evangelical view forward to give you some balance to a very biased view you are watching.

Taodeching · Jun 4, 2021

Tolworth John said:
I'm putting an evangelical view forward to give you some balance to a very biased view you are watching.

Thank you, but I think I quite had my right fill of the extreme evangelical view. I am quite more aligned with my right Orthodox friend. I say this not to be crass but to know that I was an evangelical at one time and mean no ill will to you or yours. I thank you for your contribution

Tolworth John · Jun 5, 2021

Taodeching said:
Thank you, but I think I quite had my right fill of the extreme evangelical view. I am quite more aligned with my right Orthodox friend. I say this not to be crass but to know that I was an evangelical at one time and mean no ill will to you or yours. I thank you for your contribution

I'll not quibble about that but reiterate the views you are watching are as extreme as some evangelical views.
I'm suggesting you use other view points to check the accuracy and trustworthiness of these videos.
I've already pointed out flaws in the views being put forward.

Bruce Leiter · Jun 5, 2021

Taodeching said:
***WARNING: Some who do not poses an open mind may be quite perturbed by the following ***

I hope this is the right place to post this. I watched this video last night about Who Wrote the Bible? My ex evangelical started creeping up when he said different things about the Bible but I wanted to give a listen with an open mind, I am a recovering evangelical . I like the information and he only talks about the Pentateuch. I just wanted to get people's thought. This is the first one in a series and here is the video I saw:

He also had a great response video to people who were negative:

***WARNING: Some who do not poses an open mind may be quite perturbed ***

The first video has the unbiblical assumptions that Moses couldn't have written to Pentateuch and that the Documentary Hypothesis with refinements is correct. When you start out with those underlying assumptions, of course, you end up with many writers of those five books. He also assumes that those books tell about legends and myths, not that God inspired them for believers' benefit.

The correct assumptions are that God inspired them and that Moses wrote them. Why do I make that claim? Because Jesus began with Moses and all the prophets in preaching to the disciples on the road to Emmaus about the Old Testament's testimony about himself in Luke 24:27. If the OT talks about Jesus, God inspired it.

I suggest that you start with the Bible's assumptions instead of humans' assumptions, which you have done in this post.

Taodeching · Jun 6, 2021

Bruce Leiter said:
The first video has the unbiblical assumptions that Moses couldn't have written to Pentateuch and that the Documentary Hypothesis with refinements is correct. When you start out with those underlying assumptions, of course, you end up with many writers of those five books. He also assumes that those books tell about legends and myths, not that God inspired them for believers' benefit.

The correct assumptions are that God inspired them and that Moses wrote them. Why do I make that claim? Because Jesus began with Moses and all the prophets in preaching to the disciples on the road to Emmaus about the Old Testament's testimony about himself in Luke 24:27. If the OT talks about Jesus, God inspired it.

I suggest that you start with the Bible's assumptions instead of humans' assumptions, which you have done in this post.

Thank you for your opinion

Taodeching · Jun 6, 2021

Tolworth John said:
I'll not quibble about that but reiterate the views you are watching are as extreme as some evangelical views.
I'm suggesting you use other view points to check the accuracy and trustworthiness of these videos.
I've already pointed out flaws in the views being put forward.

I want to apologize if I came off as rude.

Tolworth John · Jun 7, 2021

Taodeching said:
I want to apologize if I came off as rude.

Robust but I didn't take you as rude.

I just want you to be aware of the false views in the video you are watching.

Bruce Leiter · Jun 8, 2021

Taodeching said:
Thank you for your opinion

You're welcome!

Saint Steven · Jun 12, 2021

Taodeching said:
I hope this is the right place to post this. I watched this video last night about Who Wrote the Bible? My ex evangelical started creeping up when he said different things about the Bible but I wanted to give a listen with an open mind, I am a recovering evangelical . I like the information and he only talks about the Pentateuch. I just wanted to get people's thought.

Thanks for posting this. Sort of a nice follow up to my earlier topic about whether the Genesis account is literal or figurative. Which begs the question: Where did our Bible come from?

Interesting to get the Jewish perspective. That helps. And he explains all the various theories. Very informative.

Bottom line: This is more evidence that the OT Pentateuch was an oral tradition first and written down much later. And perhaps not even written by Moses, if he was only a legendary figure. This general view helps to explain all the double (and sometimes conflicting) accounts.

Saint Steven · Jun 12, 2021

Bruce Leiter said:
The correct assumptions are that God inspired them and that Moses wrote them.

Wow, Bruce.
When are assumptions ever the correct way to approach a text?

There seems to be plenty of evidence that the Pentateuch had multiple authors and it should be obvious that the Genesis texts were an oral tradition long before they were written down. Moses was obviously not an eyewitness to anything in the book of Genesis. He didn't show up until the book of Exodus. And wasn't like an eyewitness to his own birth and early years either.

What good does it do to side with doctrinal-based assumptions that deny the facts? Does our faith crumble if we consider the obvious?

Saint Steven · Jun 12, 2021

Taodeching said:
... I am a recovering evangelical . ...

I can empathize.

Saint Steven · Jun 12, 2021

Tolworth John said:
I just want you to be aware of the false views in the video you are watching.

On what basis do you declare that the views in the video are false? They are taken from a Jewish historical context. Is that what makes you think they are false? That skates pretty close to antisemitism.

misput · Jun 12, 2021

According to one christian Jew missionary I personally know, 98 1/2% of Jews in Israel are anti christian, just as they have been throughout most of their history. So I do not give much credence to their views.

Taodeching · Jun 12, 2021

Bruce Leiter said:
The correct assumptions are that God inspired them and that Moses wrote them.

Except they are assumptions, which every school child knows not to assume.

Saint Steven said:
On what basis do you declare that the views in the video are false? They are taken from a Jewish historical context. Is that what makes you think they are false? That skates pretty close to antisemitism.

It is the challenging of sacred cows as it were that triggers people to say other views are false. It is much easier to do than to study for oneself, after all if one studies than one may have to either abandon an errant belief or codify a held belief

misput said:
According to one christian Jew missionary I personally know, 98 1/2% of Jews in Israel are anti christian, just as they have been throughout most of their history. So I do not give much credence to their views.

Quite anti Semitic and lazy. It really goes to show how much some evangelicals hate education and studying along with being quite prejudiced

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