Charismatics Are At War With Each Other Over Failed Prophecies Of Trump Victory

ARBITER01 said:

It's sad, but we move on with GOD.

If people wish to be lied to, GOD will let them believe the lie.

At this point I don't believe there is anyway that people will be held accountable in a lot of churches. With that in mind, the only thing that I'm concerned about is how GOD is moving in my own church.

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Actually most Charismatics have the same attitude. They don't care about the Trump prophecies. Only some are in conflict about them. The vast majority just safely ignore that nonsense and concentrate their hearts and minds in observing God's will in their own churches.

to speak 'in the Name of God' is a very serious thing.

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aog17 started 3 threads n stirred up stuff from my perspective Dont think there's been a post after the OP Hasn't been online at CF f several weeks

Agreed with a lot of your post Blade.

StillGods said:

to speak 'in the Name of God' is a very serious thing.

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Using the Name of Jesus, or prophesying with "this is what the Lord is saying", when doing one's own thing and not being led of the Spirit, is actually taking the Lord's name in vain.

A common taking of the Lord's name in vain is the health and wealth preacher saying, "In the Name of Jesus I pronounce you healed", when the symptoms are still present. Noone is is healed while still having the symptoms of the illness. Being healed by the power of God means being totally symptom-free. And one shouldn't stop taking medication unless the person who prescribed it says so. Taking the Lord's name in this way can cause serious harm and possible death.

But a person can say, "Jesus heals you" without taking the Lord's name in vain, because it is a correct way of using the Name of Jesus, because it is pointing the person to Jesus for the healing and not giving the impression that the person is trying to do the healing himself.

atpollard said:

I am a simple man who likes simple rules ...

Deuteronomy 18:17-22 [NKJV]

"And the LORD said to me: 'What they have spoken is good. I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him. But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.'"​

"And if you say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?'-- when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him."
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Pentecostal Churches need a pile of cobbles (fist sized rocks) on the raised platform at the front of the church, so a "prophet" can see it and be certain in their mind that God said it, before opening their mouth and saying "Thus says the LORD ..." While we are not under the Old Covenant any longer, uttering a false prophecy should be serious enough that the person is "dead as a prophet" and should not be allowed to speak falsely again.

If I ever believed that God had given me a prophetic word ... (not my gift or passion) ... that is the standard that I would hold myself to.


Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge. - 1 Corinthians 14:29 [NKJV]

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LoL! Here's a place to jump in.

Greetings, atpollard, and hope you are blessed. If only a pile of rocks on display could do the trick, Lol, but I think what is needed is a return to the manifest Presence of God during Pentecostal church services. I read of services held at Azusa St. where prayer was constantly on-going, and congregations were so bathed in the Presence of God that anyone who stood up to preach or say "Thus saith the Lord" without the anointing of God soon came under such conviction that they sat back down in humiliation and silence. It's a "stoning" of the Spirit if you will, when the Spirit exposes them for their presumptuousness and pride without a word.

But I don't think a threatening pile of rocks will do it, unless a congregation is actually prepared to bury the man out back, LoL, and in this day and age that will get you arrested and thrown in jail for murder.

I don't suppose all this is a laughing matter, but I have to admit I had to chuckle at your post.

God bless,
Hidden In Him

Oscarr said:

Using the Name of Jesus, or prophesying with "this is what the Lord is saying", when doing one's own thing and not being led of the Spirit, is actually taking the Lord's name in vain.

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I agree, Oscarr. To say, "In the name of Jesus" is to say you have heard Him speak this, just as if a country's ambassador said, "In the name of the President of the United States," only it is much more serious with using the name of Jesus Christ. It's just that we have it so terribly engrained in us to use the terminology as if the words meant almost nothing. It takes a type of deprograming to stop saying things that have become habit.

Hidden In Him said:

I agree, Oscarr. To say, "In the name of Jesus" is to say you have heard Him speak this, just as if a country's ambassador said, "In the name of the President of the United States," only it is much more serious with using the name of Jesus Christ. It's just that we have it so terribly engrained in us to use the terminology as if the words meant almost nothing. It takes a type of deprograming to stop saying things that have become habit.

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We can have confidence that if we are following Jesus' example of healing and deliverance, that we see in the Gospels, then we can have the confidence that when we use the Name of Jesus as His representatives, we are using it correctly, because it would be something that Jesus would do if He was around. In fact, the Holy Spirit leads people to do what Jesus would do, and if we are being led by the Holy Spirit, it would automatically be in the name of Jesus.

I think we have to be really on our guard wherever we are, in the local church or looking at teaching online because we're in the Last Days and the bible commands us many times to watch out for false prophets in these last days, for example:

Matthew 7:15, Matthew 24:11, Mark 13:22, 1 John 4:1, 2 Corinthians 11:13-15.

Jesus would not have commanded us again and again to watch out for false prophets if this was not really important.

God Bless

lismore said:

I think we have to be really on our guard wherever we are, in the local church or looking at teaching online because we're in the Last Days and the bible commands us many times to watch out for false prophets in these last days, for example:

Matthew 7:15, Matthew 24:11, Mark 13:22, 1 John 4:1, 2 Corinthians 11:13-15.

Jesus would not have commanded us again and again to watch out for false prophets if this was not really important.

God Bless

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I think the part about the last days may well be right. And thus the heightened need for discernment I think we always need to ask who these people are accountable too while we ask who we are accountable to. An unaccountable prophet is a scary thing.

It is important that we are not led to fight by a false prophet.

mourningdove~ said:

It is a very sad thing ... when there is 'infighting' amongst us within the Body of Christ.

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What proof is there that these false prophets and their supporters are part of the Body of Christ? If they truly were would they not be calling for their excommunication if not execution.

TedT said:

What proof is there that these false prophets and their supporters are part of the Body of Christ? If they truly were would they not be calling for their excommunication if not execution.

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Some here refer to NAR, an alleged church movement. They criticize it because of claims of extremism. Calling for the return of stoning...

There is never proof of the new birth to outsiders, it is a matter of testimony. They believe in the Holy Trinity and receiving the Spirit of grace. I have been given many insightful prophecies, revealing my secret thoughts. But one word stands out as an error, it didn't help or harm me, I could discern an error. They sometimes make mistakes or some of them, are not as good as others.

It is no good not to give believers a chance to repent. And no good to claim that by God one has the power to excommunicate or execute other people. Even outsiders, the apostle Paul urged us to treat wisely.

It is if a Prophet calls for fights or execution that we should be careful of them.

TedT said:

What proof is there that these false prophets and their supporters are part of the Body of Christ? If they truly were would they not be calling for their excommunication if not execution.

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Who would have the authority to excommunicate them from what group? Wouldn't they just switch groups then? Effective excommunication requires a united and cohesive group. Not quite what we have. Catholics can't even discipline pro-abortion Catholic politicians at a level less than actual excommunication. How would anybody excommunicate these prophets and make it stick? It might be the right thing to do for an unrepentant false prophet, but does it stand a chance of actually working? Let me know.

chevyontheriver said:

Who would have the authority to excommunicate them from what group? Wouldn't they just switch groups then?

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Ahhh, perhaps that is why we are called to "come out from among them and touch not their unleanness!!!" the one abiding command in all of Scripture. It is our job to refute such people and leave them, in any church, not to order how their followers must treat them, eh?

TedT said:

Ahhh, perhaps that is why we are called to "come out from among them and touch not their unleanness!!!" the one abiding command in all of Scripture. It is our job to refute such people and leave them, in any church, not to order how their followers must treat them, eh?

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That's all well and good, but it leads to being in a congregation of one, and when that lonesome person lapses into error, how does he or she come out from himself or herself. Excommunication is supposed to be a functional thing in the Church. But how, hypothetically or actually, would it work in this situation? Anybody can create yet another schism. How is accountability practiced?

Galatians 6:1-4

chevyontheriver said:

How is accountability practiced?

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Personally with the Holy Spirit...

Wide is the road and narrow the gate might refer to the congregations, not just the non-believers.

How is accountability practiced?

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TedT said:

Personally with the Holy Spirit...

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So there is zero corporate accountability?

chevyontheriver said:

So there is zero corporate accountability?

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yep, that is what is really bad