What is the “one baptism” mentioned in Ephesians 4:5? (I have an answer, but I would like input).

What is the one baptism mentioned in Ephesians 4:5?


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Looking at the context of Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 1:17, we read that he only baptized:

(a) Crispus
(b) Galius
(c) Household of Stephanas.​

“I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas:” (1 Corinthians 1:14-16).

Notice also Paul saying that he thanked God that he baptized none of the Corinthian believers.
This ties in with Paul saying the following words:

“For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.” (1 Corinthians 1:17).

If baptism was for all, then why is Paul appear to say that he:

#1. Thanks God that he didn't baptize the Corinthians?
#2. Was sent not to baptize but to preach the gospel?​



When you speak of infant baptism: Are you refering to...

(a) The baptism of actual physical babies?
(b) The early church being baptized?
(c) Something else?​

Note: If you are referring to actual physcial babies being baptized, we do not see this practice anywhere in the New Testament. Just because a whole household was baptized, we cannot assume that the babies were baptized, too. For we do not know if they had babies in the household, etc.
(a) We baptize "actual physical babies" in anticipation of their coming to faith later, for which we work and pray. Infant baptism is a sign of the new covenant, which involves God's promises to bless the parents' testimonies and efforts to bring the baby up in the Christian faith. It is different from the Baptists' dedication, which involves only the parents' promises, not God's promises. After all, a biblical covenant has two sides, God's and humans' promises in personal and communal relationship. The Jewish literature of that time shows that the Jews baptized Gentile babies in households when the families became Jewish converts. The early church took over that practice to replace circumcision.
 
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(a) We baptize "actual physical babies" in anticipation of their coming to faith later, for which we work and pray. Infant baptism is a sign of the new covenant, which involves God's promises to bless the parents' testimonies and efforts to bring the baby up in the Christian faith. It is different from the Baptists' dedication, which involves only the parents' promises, not God's promises. After all, a biblical covenant has two sides, God's and humans' promises in personal and communal relationship. The Jewish literature of that time shows that the Jews baptized Gentile babies in households when the families became Jewish converts. The early church took over that practice to replace circumcision.
Not sure where you reference “Jewish literature”, since the “sign” was not baptism but circumcision for babies.

The “sign” of circumcision was a multiple time each day reminder for all male Jews that they are different, set apart (Jews), were given promises, had responsibilities, were to be a holy people, and were to be blessed. Infant baptism does none of that, since child is not a Christian (blessed, set apart, elect and so on) until they personally become a believer.

The indwelling Holy Spirit seems to have replaced circumcision for the Christian, as that constant reminder, but the Spirit comes with the individual’s commitment, while Christian baptism seems to have replaced John’s baptism (John’s baptism did not replace circumcision, was done as a sign of the individual’s commitment to repentance with God’s forgiveness, not something a baby could do.)

There are huge benefits for the believer experiencing: adult emersion baptism. It is not that the water does anything, but:

I know that I needed everything God could provide to assure me of my conversion, both outwardly and mentally. God wants you to physically feel the experience of what is going on Spiritually.

You need to add to your conversion a definite time place and physical experience, which God has provided for you.

Adult believers water immersion is to be a physical outward representation of what had or is happening spiritually in the person being baptized. It is mainly to help the individual being baptized to better grasp what is going on, but it can “witness” to others observing the baptism. It has the elements of going down under the water (burying the old man), placing your dependence in another; the person baptizing you (surrendering your life to God), being washed (having your sins washed away), rising out of the water (rising from the old dead body), and stepping forth out onto the earth (a new person). The person is walking out into the hugs of his new family. It is also a sign of your humility, since it is a humbling act anyone can simple allow someone to do to them (so not a work) and since humility has been shown in the accept of charity (God’s free gift of undeserving forgiveness) it should just support and add to the memory of that acceptance. To refuse Christian water baptism when it is readily available might mean you are not ready to handle other responsibility like having the indwelling Holy Spirit and you are hurting yourself.
 
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(a) We baptize "actual physical babies" in anticipation of their coming to faith later, for which we work and pray. Infant baptism is a sign of the new covenant, which involves God's promises to bless the parents' testimonies and efforts to bring the baby up in the Christian faith. It is different from the Baptists' dedication, which involves only the parents' promises, not God's promises. After all, a biblical covenant has two sides, God's and humans' promises in personal and communal relationship. The Jewish literature of that time shows that the Jews baptized Gentile babies in households when the families became Jewish converts. The early church took over that practice to replace circumcision.

Sorry. Jewish literature is not the Bible.
I follow the Bible alone, friend.
Romans 10:17 says faith comes by hearing the Word of God.
 
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Not sure where you reference “Jewish literature”, since the “sign” was not baptism but circumcision for babies.

The “sign” of circumcision was a multiple time each day reminder for all male Jews that they are different, set apart (Jews), were given promises, had responsibilities, were to be a holy people, and were to be blessed. Infant baptism does none of that, since child is not a Christian (blessed, set apart, elect and so on) until they personally become a believer.

The indwelling Holy Spirit seems to have replaced circumcision for the Christian, as that constant reminder, but the Spirit comes with the individual’s commitment, while Christian baptism seems to have replaced John’s baptism (John’s baptism did not replace circumcision, was done as a sign of the individual’s commitment to repentance with God’s forgiveness, not something a baby could do.)

There are huge benefits for the believer experiencing: adult emersion baptism. It is not that the water does anything, but:

I know that I needed everything God could provide to assure me of my conversion, both outwardly and mentally. God wants you to physically feel the experience of what is going on Spiritually.

You need to add to your conversion a definite time place and physical experience, which God has provided for you.

Adult believers water immersion is to be a physical outward representation of what had or is happening spiritually in the person being baptized. It is mainly to help the individual being baptized to better grasp what is going on, but it can “witness” to others observing the baptism. It has the elements of going down under the water (burying the old man), placing your dependence in another; the person baptizing you (surrendering your life to God), being washed (having your sins washed away), rising out of the water (rising from the old dead body), and stepping forth out onto the earth (a new person). The person is walking out into the hugs of his new family. It is also a sign of your humility, since it is a humbling act anyone can simple allow someone to do to them (so not a work) and since humility has been shown in the accept of charity (God’s free gift of undeserving forgiveness) it should just support and add to the memory of that acceptance. To refuse Christian water baptism when it is readily available might mean you are not ready to handle other responsibility like having the indwelling Holy Spirit and you are hurting yourself.
I was baptized both ways, when I was an infant and when I was 12 in confirmation. However, it wasn't until God saved me at the age of 16 that I responded to God in true faith. In Colossians 2:9-12, Paul clearly equates circumcision with baptism, and Peter in Acts 2:38-40 says his adult hearers should be baptized but that the promise of the Holy Spirit was for them and their children.
 
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I was baptized both ways, when I was an infant and when I was 12 in confirmation. However, it wasn't until God saved me at the age of 16 that I responded to God in true faith. In Colossians 2:9-12, Paul clearly equates circumcision with baptism, and Peter in Acts 2:38-40 says his adult hearers should be baptized but that the promise of the Holy Spirit was for them and their children.
Colossians 2:9-12 Circumcision of the heart does not replace circumcision of the physical body, but when Christ or Paul talks about your hearts being circumcised it is being in obedience to God, but are not saying it replaces physical circumcision. Ro. 2:25 Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised. 26 So then, if those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? 27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the[c] written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.


28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

The promises are to the children of the hears, not the act of physical baptism which comes with believing. Acts 2: 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.

Why did you have to be baptized twice and why were you not “saved” then?
 
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The circumcision of the heart is the new birth that Jesus referred to in John 3. Obedience is our grateful response. The context of the promise in Acts 2 is the Holy Spirit. In fact, the "normal" way God saves people is from their childhood. (See Ezekiel 36:26 about the spiritual heart transplant for believers in Israel and the future church.)

I was christened as a Methodist infant but immersed at 12 years old in a community church because the pastor they had at that time believed that all who were "confirmed" to be members had to be immersed. I don't remember their ever asking me whether I had been baptized as an infant. (That church now accepts both kinds of baptism.) When I was confirmed, I was just following the 12-year-old "herd" to please my parents and the pastor, not because I believed. Later, we attended a Baptist church, where I finally heard the gospel and where God convinced me that he is real, the Bible is his Word, and Jesus actually rose from the dead.
 
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Those people who write bible commentaries spend years getting an education and learning from experience, those who think they can bypass all that work and have the Holy Spirit do all the work are simply fooling themselves."

consider your error,

"For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."(1 Corinthians 2:11-14 KJV)

and

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Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." (Hebrews 13:20,21 KJV)

But if you want to test that theory get 5 people who believe as you do, that the Holy Spirit is all that is necessary to understand the bible and one verse of scripture ask each person to define the verse without talking to each other, Do you know how many different answers you will get, do you know what the odds are that any one of those answers is correct?
Hello,

your argument is not based on scripture but more human reasoning.

we read in scripture that we do indeed have to study and to read scripture, but nothing is understood or taught without the Spirit.

consider;

"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."(1 John 2:27 KJV)
 
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It's Christian Baptism, which is always with water. The Bible never mentions "water baptism", because that is redundant,
sorry don't agree according to scripture,

consider the water part and the distinction of the two,

"For John truly baptized with water; [past tense] but ye shall be [future tense] baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence." (Acts 1:5 KJV)

and there is no such thing s as adding water baptism to the saving gospel, that would be another gospel. Water baptism does not save, nor is it a work connected to the saving gospel that saves with the gospel.

Read 1 Cor 15:1-4 for the saving gospel and consider that no water is added, no Lords Supper, no circumcision, no Mosaic law, no ten commandments, no sabbaths etc etc etc etc.

The saving gospel as scripture reveals by Paul through the Spirit

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Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"(1 Cor 15:1-4 KJV)
 
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2 - By another believer (water baptism) Jesus said "... fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness," All 3 persons of the Godhead endorsed water baptism. (Matt 3:13-16; 3:6,11; 28:18-20; Acts 8:39, 10:47, 22:16; John 3:5).
Johns water baptism would appear in scripture to be for Israels program in the Old Covenant and was a figure for the time then until the new covenant came. But many in Israel had a slow time to come from the old to the new. We see this all through Acts, the transition from the old to the new. They were still going to the temple as Christian believers, sacrificing animals, circumcision, keeping the law, and customs, and water baptism of John for a time.

Jesus told them in Acts 1 that Johns water baptism was past and he said John baptized with water, but ye shall be baptized ...showing two different baptisms and the end of one the beginning of the other.
 
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Acts 8:36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, "Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?"
I see the Ethiopian as following Ireals program still and he is the one who knew about water baptism. It was a custom for the Jews in the tradition to fully submerge when coming into the faith of Isreal. Water baptism was not new to John the baptist. The Jews had many washings and customs. But Philip said if he believed with all his heart that he "may" do this. Remember the Jews were still struggling with the law and coming out of the old covenant at this time, and so Johns old covenant water baptism program
 
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F.F. Bruce: “baptism in the New Testament is always baptism in water unless the context shows it to be something else; that is to say, the word is always to be understood literally unless the context indicates a figurative meaning” (Questions Answered, p. 106).

There is nothing in Ephesians 4:5 that proves baptism in this verse is anything other than a literal immersion in water. To place a figurative meaning on baptism in this verse is due to nothing more than a personal theological bias against the necessity of water baptism.
The "one baptism" must be the saving baptism spoken of by Peter and Jesus. So, if we say that water was meant in that verse then we would have to add water baptism for salvation, which the scripture does not teach. The gospel has no mention of adding water to it ( read 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV).

we read of the saving baptism in 1 peter 3:21;

"The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"(1 Peter 3:21 KJV)

Notice that the saving baptism is not a putting away of the filth of the flesh (or an outward washing with water) but it is an inward work and a the response to the inquiery of a good conscience.

The conscience cannot be clean, or perfect or good by outward ordinances or shadows. But only by the inward work of the resurrected Lord and as we are risen with him to the newness of life. Then we have the witness in ourselves and a good conscience

consider some scripture here

"Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. 11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"(Hebrews 9:9-14 KJV)

The figure of the 8 souls saved in the ark is a type of believers being baptized into Christ and raised up with him into the new life raised above the water into the heavens and into rest in Christ
 
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consider your error,

"For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."(1 Corinthians 2:11-14 KJV)

and

"
Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." (Hebrews 13:20,21 KJV)


Hello,

your argument is not based on scripture but more human reasoning.

we read in scripture that we do indeed have to study and to read scripture, but nothing is understood or taught without the Spirit.

consider;

"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."(1 John 2:27 KJV)
your argument is self defeating. If the Holy Spirit defines Scripture for all believers then all believers would have the same understanding of the Bible, obviously that is not the case or we would not have all of these different denominations that do not agree on interpretations of the Bible. The Holy Spirit can and does give special revelation to believers, that is knowledge that applies to their lives only but not general revelation.
 
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I see the Ethiopian as following Ireals program still and he is the one who knew about water baptism. It was a custom for the Jews in the tradition to fully submerge when coming into the faith of Isreal. Water baptism was not new to John the baptist. The Jews had many washings and customs. But Philip said if he believed with all his heart that he "may" do this. Remember the Jews were still struggling with the law and coming out of the old covenant at this time, and so Johns old covenant water baptism program
Not at all, Jesus clearly ordered that people be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, This is not the same as the baptism given by John.
 
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As disciple clint posted "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Matt 28:18-20

Since water baptism is the one that's generally done by fellow believers then that's the one referred to in v 19 above.

See post 5 for details.
 
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The "one baptism" must be the saving baptism spoken of by Peter and Jesus. So, if we say that water was meant in that verse then we would have to add water baptism for salvation, which the scripture does not teach. The gospel has no mention of adding water to it ( read 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV).

we read of the saving baptism in 1 peter 3:21;

"The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"(1 Peter 3:21 KJV)

Notice that the saving baptism is not a putting away of the filth of the flesh (or an outward washing with water) but it is an inward work and a the response to the inquiery of a good conscience.

The conscience cannot be clean, or perfect or good by outward ordinances or shadows. But only by the inward work of the resurrected Lord and as we are risen with him to the newness of life. Then we have the witness in ourselves and a good conscience

consider some scripture here

"Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. 11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"(Hebrews 9:9-14 KJV)

The figure of the 8 souls saved in the ark is a type of believers being baptized into Christ and raised up with him into the new life raised above the water into the heavens and into rest in Christ
Where did you get the idea that I wanted to add water to the gospel. Baptism of adults or infants is a sign of God's welcome of them to be part of the church; it never saves them--ever! Just as the circumcision ceremony welcomed infants into Israel, now we baptize babies to welcome them into the church. Vows are made by parents and the church to be agents of God's work in their lives.
 
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Where did you get the idea that I wanted to add water to the gospel. Baptism of adults or infants is a sign of God's welcome of them to be part of the church; it never saves them--ever! Just as the circumcision ceremony welcomed infants into Israel, now we baptize babies to welcome them into the church. Vows are made by parents and the church to be agents of God's work in their lives.
How do you interpret 1 Peter 3:21. This speaks of the baptism that saves.

what baptism is that in your understanding?
 
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There's "...the doctrine of baptisms,..." (Heb 6:2). There's 3 baptisms.

The baptism that saves is by The Holy Spirit into Jesus which reconciles us to God is the baptism for salvation. Baptized by the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ by believing in His death, burial, and resurrection.(Rev 1:5; Matt 26:28; Mark 1:4-9, 16:16; Luk 3:3; 1 Cor 12:13; Acts 2:38; Gal 3:27, II Cor 5;18).)

Water and Spirit baptism follows salvation - not in a set order though
2 - By another believer (water baptism) Jesus said "... fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness," All 3 persons of the Godhead endorsed water baptism. (Matt 3:13-16; 3:6,11; 28:18-20; Acts 8:39, 10:47, 22:16; John 3:5).

3 - By Jesus who sends the promise of the Father baptists us "by," "with" and "in" the Holy Spirit (The Spirit baptism) includes when the Holy Spirit comes upon us, He endures us with power for service to Him and to keep His Word. (Matt 3:11; Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16; John 1:33, Acts 1:5, 8:14-17, 10:44-48, 11:16; I Cor 12:13, Luk 24:49, Eph 5:18, Acts 4:31; I John 3:24; Eze 36:25-28; John 14:25-27).

"And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." I John 5:7-8
 
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How do you interpret 1 Peter 3:21. This speaks of the baptism that saves.

what baptism is that in your understanding?
It is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, who gives the new birth.
 
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It is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, who gives the new birth.
So are you saying that the baptism “with” the Holy Ghost , after Christ death is the only way to be saved?
What do you do with all the Old Testament salvation and the salvation in Christ before Jesus died on the cross? (though salvation is not without his death in time)
 
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