Teaching of Raymond Pastor Ray McMahon on divorce and remarriage

Carl Emerson · May 28, 2021

Sketcher said:
For the woman caught in adultery, that would have meant either returning to her husband if he would take her, or remaining single and celibate.

I take it that was a cultural requirement - the woman at the well was clearly not subject to such a directive.

Sketcher · May 29, 2021

Carl Emerson said:
I take it that was a cultural requirement - the woman at the well was clearly not subject to such a directive.

Actually, that isn't clear. He told her what she had done, without condoning it.

pescador · May 29, 2021

Sketcher said:
Actually, that isn't clear. He told her what she had done, without condoning it.

Let's not forget the the story of the adulterous woman was not in the earliest manuscripts. It was added at a later time, probably by an overzealous scribe. Therefore, the story should not be considered as a part of the Bible.

Carl Emerson · May 29, 2021

Sketcher said:
Actually, that isn't clear. He told her what she had done, without condoning it.

We have no record of Him saying 'go and sin no more...'

Sidon · May 30, 2021

Carl Emerson said:
Is anyone familiar with this guy ??? I'm being told that if I don't repent of remarrying I will loose my salvation...

Comments on this presentation appreciated.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=3927947493908035

When a person is really self righteous and deeply religious, and often not even born again, they use the bible to try to beat other believers into faith death, which is the belief that they can "lose their salvation".

There is nothing that a person can do, that is more harmful to a real believer than to cause them to doubt that God's Blood is not an eternal sacrifice for ALL SIN.
Its Amazing..... that people who claim to belong to Jesus, denounce God's Blood as being unable to keep someone saved.

So, Legalist's are always inspired to try to find some random out of context verse, and use it to deny the blood of Jesus and erase the Grace of God., and This is the person in the video.
He went looking in the bible to try to find some verse to twist and misuse to try to condemn people into hell.
When i see people like this, so called "believers", im reminded that not all the Clowns are in the circus.

Let me assure you that divorce and remarriage is not the unpardonable sin.
As a matter of fact, and more than likely, its just a bad mistake that has been corrected, and needed to be, in many cases.

God is the God of the endless 2nd Chance.
Life is long , and God allows us to get up after a horrible mistake has knocked us down.
WE get to keep trying.
God is good all the time.

1watchman · May 30, 2021

Carl Emerson said:
Is anyone familiar with this guy ??? I'm being told that if I don't repent of remarrying I will loose my salvation...

Comments on this presentation appreciated.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=3927947493908035

Well, we must not listen to "this guy" who has an opinion, and see what our God teaches us, right? One who is truly "born again" CANNOT become unborn ---understanding here that some professing Christians were not "born again", but just believed about god and had some appreciation of the teacher, Jesus.
The Lord Jesus IS God manifested in the flesh; and when we RECEIVE Him into our heart and truly worship and live for Him, we are "sealed" by the indwelling Holy Spirit for eternity. Now, if we go forth and KEEP sinning and ignoring God and live for ourselves after being eternally saved, that is called "carnality" in Scripture, and will bring forfeiture of blessings at the "Judgment seat of Christ" in Heaven ---not a good thing for Christians to find in Heaven. Let us be humble when we fail and confess it all to God, but if no other harm is done in the marriage, it might well continue.

Carl Emerson · May 31, 2021

1watchman said:
Well, we must not listen to "this guy" who has an opinion, and see what our God teaches us, right? One who is truly "born again" CANNOT become unborn ---understanding here that some professing Christians were not "born again", but just believed about god and had some appreciation of the teacher, Jesus.
The Lord Jesus IS God manifested in the flesh; and when we RECEIVE Him into our heart and truly worship and live for Him, we are "sealed" by the indwelling Holy Spirit for eternity. Now, if we go forth and KEEP sinning and ignoring God and live for ourselves after being eternally saved, that is called "carnality" in Scripture, and will bring forfeiture of blessings at the "Judgment seat of Christ" in Heaven ---not a good thing for Christians to find in Heaven. Let us be humble when we fail and confess it all to God, but if no other harm is done in the marriage, it might well continue.

For the record I was 10 years single between two marriages, then quite miraculously led to my present wife of 36 years and 5 children.
The new marriage was officiated by one of the most respected saints in our country. In view of the way God moved to bring it all about, I am at a loss to understand what i might need to repent of.
The first marriage of seven years was to a non-believer and I had no part in the separation, she decided to live with one of my best friends.

I feel the legalistic teaching of this man and others is highly destructive.

This verse comes to mind...

Matthew 12:7
But if you had known what this means: ‘I desire compassion, rather than sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent.

Sidon · May 31, 2021

Palmfever said:
10 When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this. 11 He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”
Anyone who wiggles around scripture with this is arguing with God, not I. Tough call I know, I’m divorced and would love a lover companion, friend. But I can obey and live without. Life is short.

Palmfever.....I wrote a Thread for you and for others who are tangled up within the "remarrige" of a believer, misunderstanding,

zoidar · May 31, 2021

Carl Emerson said:
Thank for your response...

This issue is wrecking many friendships among Christians over here.

The scripture you refer to is about marrying a widow which is allowed.

The common practice of marrying as a divorcee (second marriage) is being condemned to the extent that if you don't repent of doing so - you lose your salvation.
This is being seen as a prime reason for the modern church being weak... as it is supposedly full of adulterers.

I didn't see the video, too long, but how do you repent if you are remarried? Divorce your new wife and reunite with your old wife if she approves or live alone for the rest of your life?

I very much doubt this is a question of salvation. Some lay too much weight on one teaching of the Bible, but forget about others just as important IMO. We are to be careful that we don't become hypocrites: "I have never divorced or remarried" but "you" watch inappropriate content. How much better is that in the eyes of God? Not saying divorce and remariage is God's will, but life is not always going the way we hope, God also knows that.

Carl Emerson said:
What I don't like is drawing believers into legalism...

I very much agree with this.

zoidar · May 31, 2021

Palmfever said:
Christ was saying something Paul re-iterated. 1st Cor, 7:39. The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.

This is what Christ said.

Mark, 10:6. But from the beginning of creation, God created them male and female. 7 For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother[a], 8 and the two shall become one flesh; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore, what God has joined together, no person is to separate.”

And again.

Luke, 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

Mat, 19:8

Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
Some will try to justify re-marriage with this. Nope, No place does it say get marriaged again, it's cool, I didn't really mean what I said earlier.

Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?”

3 “What did Moses command you?” he replied.

4 They said, “Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away.”

5 “It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,” Jesus replied. 6 “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ 7 ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8 and the two will become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

10 When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this. 11 He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”

Anyone who wiggles around scripture with this is arguing with God, not I. Tough call I know, I’m divorced and would love a lover companion, friend. But I can obey and live without. Life is short.

I understand that it's a tough question. But have you not allready disobeyed God by the divorce? I'm not judging you by any means... just want us to be aware of the question.

“It was said, ‘Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce’; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
— Matthew 5:31-32

Carl Emerson · May 31, 2021

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zoidar said:
I understand that it's a tough question. But have you not allready disobeyed God by the divorce? I'm not judging you by any means... just want us to be aware of the question.

“It was said, ‘Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce’; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
— Matthew 5:31-32

At the time I was deeply aware that to be party to the process was not what God wanted for me.

I went to the trouble of visiting her when she was living in adultery and making it very plain that my door was open for her to return.

She filed for a legal separation, I had nothing to do with it, and I remained single for 10 years.

I never sent her away - she sought other partners during the 7 year marriage.

zoidar · May 31, 2021

Carl Emerson said:
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At the time I was deeply aware that to be party to the process was not what God wanted for me.

I went to the trouble of visiting her when she was living in adultery and making it very plain that my door was open for her to return.

She filed for a legal separation, I had nothing to do with it, and I remained single for 10 years.

I never sent her away - she sought other partners during the 7 year marriage.

I was engaged to be married, hoping all the problems would be solved in time. We separated before we were married, to my luck I say, because that marriage would most certainly have lead to divorce. We should never have been engaged to begin with.

Carl Emerson · May 31, 2021

That is a tricky issue - some issues need to be resolved before marriage - some issues can be resolved after marriage. Knowing which is which is not always easy.
Back in my day there were no Christian counsellors, so the some total of advice was my dad saying 'are you sure you are doing the right thing..."

Sadly I wasn't and didn't know it.

Looking back, however, the deep struggle and pain of my error has been turned around as I specialise in bringing Jesus to the deeply wounded.

rebornfree · May 31, 2021

Carl Emerson said:
I never sent her away - she sought other partners during the 7 year marriage.

It sounds as if you were perfectly scriptural according to Matthew 5 v 32.

My Bible - 1 Corinthians 7 v 15 told me I had to let my husband go although I didn't want to.

The whole divorce/remarriage issue is so sensitive and painful. It can be very hard to those who are suffering to hear judgemental comments from those who don't even know the particulars of a situation.

Carl Emerson said:
Looking back, however, the deep struggle and pain of my error has been turned around as I specialise in bringing Jesus to the deeply wounded.

Bless you for doing that Carl; it is needed so much.

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