The Spiritual Realm

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Is the spiritual realm simply symbol to our physical world? Is it only a mere picture of reality? Or is it as real as the physical world? Which one is more real? This issue has come up a lot in many of the discussions I have had in various threads. What say ye?
Actually, the physical realm is a copy of the spiritual realm in meaning and purpose.

Wind, breath, water--of the Holy Spirit

physical birth--of spiritual birth

sun--of the Son

light--of spiritual enlightenment

darkness--of spiritual blindness

etc., etc., etc.
 
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Wouldn’t you say that the Holy Ghost exists in the realm of the spiritual?
I don't understand the question, or its context, perhaps. The Holy Spirit, is not only a spirit, He is THE Spirit of God, part of the Godhead, and is also RUACH, the Breath of Life. He makes life manifest in the physical, so to ask if He exists is to limit His person and scope entirely.
 
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I don't understand the question, or its context, perhaps. The Holy Spirit, is not only a spirit, He is THE Spirit of God, part of the Godhead, and is also RUACH, the Breath of Life. He makes life manifest in the physical, so to ask if He exists is to limit His person and scope entirely.

So as “THE Spirit of God” wouldn’t you say that the Holy Spirit is spiritual in nature?
 
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After you been at this long enough it's not assumptions any longer. Non the less you are right, we certainly don't have all insight or knowledge, nor wisdom. I don't have much wonder about the spiritual realm or spirits in the sense of knowing if it's real or not. Just a matter of which episode over the my 42 years since coming to Jesus and which side it was from. We test the spirits, there is a reason for that language.
I made mentioned of it because you assumed I had no experience with the spirit real, such as angels or demons. You have know way of knowing, unless you were given a word of knowledge on that matter. I'm not offended, but it did seem an odd conclusion to arrive at. I started this thread to better understand those who have a differing perspective from me on the subject, that was all I had in mind :oldthumbsup:
 
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So as “THE Spirit of God” wouldn’t you say that the Holy Spirit is spiritual in nature?
Of course. However He manifests physically within us, or without, at will. He is not limited by the physical realm in the slightest.

I feel like you keep asking the same question over and over again. If that's true, then I don't think there is a different answer I can give you.

Do you believe the Holy Spirit can and does operate in the physical world? Do you think He is limited in some way by us?
 
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Is the spiritual realm simply symbol to our physical world? Is it only a mere picture of reality? Or is it as real as the physical world? Which one is more real? This issue has come up a lot in many of the discussions I have had in various threads. What say ye?

It is as real as the physical world. In Matt 4 the devil physically takes Jesus to two different places.

Moses has Aaron cast down his shepherd's rod before Pharaoh and it becomes a snake - the wicked magicians in Pharaoh's court do the same trick - at least they make it appear that they did it.

Satan attacks Job in Job chapter 1 - with real physical danger that kills people.
 
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I made mentioned of it because you assumed I had no experience with the spirit real, such as angels or demons. You have know way of knowing, unless you were given a word of knowledge on that matter. I'm not offended, but it did seem an odd conclusion to arrive at. I started this thread to better understand those who have a differing perspective from me on the subject, that was all I had in mind :oldthumbsup:
Oh, I'm sorry ! I do that a lot, using the word you in a general sense where it could be taken personally. I should get more used to saying things like " when one" rather than you. Guilty as charged on that, without doubt.
 
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Is the spiritual realm simply symbol to our physical world? Is it only a mere picture of reality? Or is it as real as the physical world? Which one is more real? This issue has come up a lot in many of the discussions I have had in various threads. What say ye?
The Scripture says that the just shall live by faith. Another says, "I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I, but the life I live I live by the faith of the Son of God.

Therefore walking in the Spirit is a walk of faith. Because we walk by faith, believing what the Scriptures tell us, we have a greater awareness of the reality and presence of God with us. The Book of Hebrews tell us that solid food is for the mature, who by use and experience can discern between good and evil.

This is what people call the spiritual realm. It is not some type of altered consciousness or a state of being halfway between the physical world and eternity. The concept of a spiritual world co-existing with our physical world is a pagan Greek concept.

Therefore we must be careful that we don't go into New Age mysticism in our quest to enter a spiritual realm that might only exist within New Age spirituality which concentrates on the person having special spiritual consciousness and powers in the same way that an occult medium can communicate with guiding spirits in "the spiritual realm" and bring back the spirits of the dead from that "realm"; when in actual fact, these mediums are being guided by demons in disguise.

The Scripture says that there is only one God, one faith, and one baptism, and we all drink from the same Holy Spirit. The only realm in which we all equally walk is in the Spirit by faith in the promises of God, what Jesus has told us in the Gospels and what the Apostles have taught us in their letters. No one has special spiritual powers. That is tending toward sorcery. We access the power of God through asking Him. "Be not anxious for anything, but by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, make your requests known to God, and the peace of God that passes all understanding will keep your hearts and minds in Jesus Christ" (Phil 4:6-7).

When we ask God to heal someone, and they get healed, it is not through some power like "electricity" going through us to the person. It is the direct application of the power God to the sick person, raising him up and making him well. When a person receives the gift of faith to achieve something mighty or impossible, it is God giving an absolute certainty of faith to the person, and then directly honouring that faith by His own power. It is not the person using faith as some kind of force to bring the result. That is sorcery in the same way Harry Potter uses his wand to achieve the impossible.

God doesn't work like that. His strength is made perfect in our weakness. When we are weak then He is strong. When Peter and John told the lame man to get up and walk, they said to the people, "Why are you looking ib us as though it was through our own power this man was made whole? He was made whole through the power of the Name of Jesus Christ". Maybe some of these TV healing evangelist who give us the impression that they have some special gift or power to heal people, should take a lesson from Peter and John!
 
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Oh, I'm sorry ! I do that a lot, using the word you in a general sense where it could be taken personally. I should get more used to saying things like " when one" rather than you. Guilty as charged on that, without doubt.
If that is the case, then it was I who misunderstood. No harm done :)
 
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Do you believe the Holy Spirit can and does operate in the physical world? Do you think He is limited in some way by us?

Yes good point - the Holy Spirit operates in the real physical world as do Angels (both good ones and bad ones)
 
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Alright well I’m just trying to understand if you say that you’re born again by the power of the Holy Spirit why you would ask the question in the beginning?
Sorry, I completely missed this reply! I'm glad I caught it as it does seem to clear up some confusion, lol.
I am asking the question because I have had discussions on CF with others who say they are believers and yet seem to think that the spirit realm is merely symbolic. Just trying to understand how and why, that's all :oldthumbsup: (I think I explained this in the OP but I hope I have cleared some things up!)
 
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Sorry, I completely missed this reply! I'm glad I caught it as it does seem to clear up some confusion, lol.
I am asking the question because I have had discussions on CF with others who say they are believers and yet seem to think that the spirit realm is merely symbolic. Just trying to understand how and why, that's all :oldthumbsup: (I think I explained this in the OP but I hope I have cleared some things up!)

Ok makes sense I guess. I just thought to myself that it was a strange question for a Christian to be asking but I guess I understand now.
 
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Of course. However He manifests physically within us, or without, at will. He is not limited by the physical realm in the slightest.

I feel like you keep asking the same question over and over again. If that's true, then I don't think there is a different answer I can give you.

Do you believe the Holy Spirit can and does operate in the physical world? Do you think He is limited in some way by us?

The Holy Spirit I think primarily operates in our lives in the spiritual realm but yes there are physical manifestations of the Spirit as well.
 
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The Spirit Realm - What You Can’t See Is More Powerful Than You Think

This video serves as a reminder that you as an individual are far more important to him than some space, some star, some planet. What matters most is to God is the soul of a human being to God, and he has given us the key to victorious life, and that is the word of God.

 
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Unlocking Spiritual Discernment - What If You Could See In The Spirit Realm

This video discusses the gift of discernment. Spiritual discernment is the ability to see, hear, and understand spiritual things that are not readily seen, heard, or understood.

 
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This video discusses the gift of discernment. Spiritual discernment is the ability to see, hear, and understand spiritual things that are not readily seen, heard, or understood.

I had been thinking a lot lately about this word since after my husband was wondering about Spiritual gifts. I had said "I think we have the gift of discernment." At least, I had meant that it is one of our stronger gifts. Thanks for this video. :yellowheart:
 
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