JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

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Mathew 19: 17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”


Did Christ mention the Sabbath below? I am surprised you did not notice.

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Mat 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

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Do you realize Jesus was exposing the young man as a liar in verse 21 above?
Has anyone kept the ten commandments perfectly? Only Christ has done this.

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Did Christ mention the Sabbath below? I am surprised you did not notice.

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Mat 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

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Do you realize Jesus was exposing the young man as a liar in verse 21 above?
Has anyone kept the ten commandments perfectly? Only Christ has done this.

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I find it very interesting you keep changing your argument. When I clearly provided scriptures there are other commandments aside from the one scripture you quoted but instead of acknowledging it, you just ignore and try another tactic. As I already proven to you, just because something is not repeated does not make it deleted. Jesus quoted directly from the Ten, the Sabbath was already being kept. It seems you are less interested in Truth and more interested in doing your own will. We are given free will, but when Jesus told us His Sabbath was made for us Mark 2:27 He might have some questions when He comes why you feel not keeping God's holy day not apply to you. We are only providing scriptures out of love. It's up to you to choose to open your heart and "hear" the words our Savior spoke and wrote for us. Exodus 20:8-11 It is very near to God's heart because He kept the Ten in the most holy of holy in His Temple.
 
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Soory but all these scripture references teach us nothing.

Your post has been addressed many times already so your only providing repetition of teachings that are not biblical. According to the scriptures, all scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness *2 Timothy 3:16.

If you believe Gods' Word does not teach you anything than perhaps you should pray and ask God for His Spirit who promises to teach us all things. These promises are found in John 14:26: John 16:13: John 7:17; 1 John 2:27 and are a part of God's new covenant promise to all those who believe as shown in Hebrews 8:11. You have been provided a lot of scripture that disagrees with your teachings of lawlessness but you do not believe them and say the scriptures shared with you do not teach you anything.

Let's pray we are not of that group listed of God to Isaiah where God says go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed (Isaiah 6:9-10).

Jesus and Paul came across many of these people in His day who rejected God's Words and says of this people and in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, which said, By hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them in Matthew 13:13:15 and Acts of the Apostles 28:26-27.

May you receive God's Word and be blessed ignoring it does not make it disappear according to Jesus who says the Words of God we accept or reject will become our judge come judgement day according to John 12:47-48.

Of course you are free to believe and do as you wish. Your salvation is between you and God.
 
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Hi @LoveGodsWord,

Regarding post #1719 , is this a complete list of the categories of what some folks call The Shadow laws?

the remission of sins
sin offerings
the Levitical Priesthood
the earthly Sanctuary
eating
drinking
feast days
new moons
non-seventh day Sabbath days

Do you want to talk about this or shall we end the discussion?

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Also, how is your tooth situation?
 
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He might have some questions when He comes why you feel not keeping God's holy day not apply to you.

He has questions for you, which you have not answered?

What percentage of your salvation comes from the blood at Calvary? ___________ %

What percentage of your salvation comes from your own works? _____________%



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He has questions for you, which you have not answered?

What percentage of your salvation comes from the blood at Calvary? ___________ %

What percentage of your salvation comes from your own works? _____________%



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I'm more focused on ensuring I am obeying my Father and His will than being concerned about my own salvation. I have learned this lesson in life too, when I focus on doing a good job and what is right instead of the end prize, it has never failed me.

For the record- I have answered you twice now when you asked the same exact question. I'm not sure if you read the responses that are addressed to you....
 
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I'm more focused on ensuring I am obeying my Father and His will than being concerned about my own salvation.

If you cannot answer those two questions, and from your response above, you do not understand the true Gospel.

King David committed adultery and conspired to have Uriah killed.
How was he saved?

How was the thief on the cross saved?

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Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.


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Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

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Hi @SabbathBlessings ,

As I talked about in post 1740 , I think Jesus includes the Ten commandments as part of the law of Moses.
(I thought it was when he was talking to the guys on the way to Emmaus, but it's when those two return to Jerusalem and meet up with the 11. :) )

Do you want to discuss this or shall we "call it a day"?
 
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Hello Leaf,

Sorry I must have missed this post. That said I will discuss your new post here but you should really consider post # 1704 linked which I believe you have not considered.
Basically what I was asking in the post you're responding to is: What is the standard, criterion, algorithm, etc that a person uses to decide which laws are the "shadow laws"?
There is no algorithm there is only Gods' Word and Gods' Word is not mine but God's and we should believe and follow them according to Romans 3:4 and Acts of the Apostles 5:29. Do you know the difference between Gods' "shadow laws" pointing to the body of Christ and Gods' eternal laws written on stone by the finger of God and spoken by God alone to His people that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed?
I know in the past you've talked about laws relating to remission of sins and sin offerings, the Levitical Priesthood the earthly Sanctuary. And there's the part from Colossians"eating, or in drinking, or with respect to a feast day or a new moon or a Sabbath day".
The scripture in Colossians 2:16 does not translate sabbath day in the Greek it is genitive neuter plural (GNP) to sabbath days or sabbaths and the context is to the Feast days not God's 4th commandment. Chapter context also being to the shadow laws of circumcision, baptism (from v11) and laws in ordinances (dogma) meaning civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical laws all concluding in verse 17 which are a "shadow of things to come pointing to the body of Christ" The Mosaic "shadow laws" include all the old covenant laws for remission of sins (the Levitical Priesthood, the earthly Sanctuary and the laws for animal sacrifices and sin offerings, circumcision, Feast days of Passover and unleavened bread, Feast of First fruits etc that all pointed to the body of Christ and the role of Jesus as our great high Priest in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man *Hebrews 8:1-6.
Is that a complete list of "shadow laws"?
A Mosiac "shadow law" from the old covenant is a law that points to something to come in the new covenant. Any law that points to the body of Christ and the role of Jesus in the new covenant is a "shadow of things to come" *Colossians 2:17; Ephesians 2:11-15; Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-17; Hebrews 10:1-22.
Also, how was your tooth situation doing?
Thanks for asking. I have a part 1 of a root canal surgery on Wednesday (my time) and will go back for a part 2 surgery this Monday my time.
 
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Hello Leaf,

Sorry I must have missed this post. That said I will discuss your new post here but you should really consider post # 1704 linked which I believe you have not considered.

There is no algorithm there is only Gods' Word and Gods' Word is not mine but God's and we should believe and follow them according to Romans 3:4 and Acts of the Apostles 5:29. Do you know the difference between Gods' "shadow laws" pointing to the body of Christ and Gods' eternal laws written on stone by the finger of God and spoken by God alone to His people that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed?

The scripture in Colossians 2:16 does not translate sabbath day in the Greek it is genitive neuter plural (GNP) to sabbath days or sabbaths and the context is to the Feast days not God's 4th commandment. Chapter context also being to the shadow laws of circumcision, baptism (from v11) and laws in ordinances (dogma) meaning civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical laws all concluding in verse 17 which are a "shadow of things to come pointing to the body of Christ" The Mosaic "shadow laws" include all the old covenant laws for remission of sins (the Levitical Priesthood, the earthly Sanctuary and the laws for animal sacrifices and sin offerings, circumcision, Feast days of Passover and unleavened bread, Feast of First fruits etc that all pointed to the body of Christ and the role of Jesus as our great high Priest in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man *Hebrews 8:1-6.

A Mosiac "shadow law" from the old covenant is a law that points to something to come in the new covenant. Any law that points to the body of Christ and the role of Jesus in the new covenant is a "shadow of things to come" *Colossians 2:17; Ephesians 2:11-15; Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-17; Hebrews 10:1-22.

Thanks for asking. I have a part 1 of a root canal surgery on Wednesday (my time) and will go back for a part 2 surgery this Monday my time.

Thanks for the nice reply.

Starting here
...you should really consider post # 1704 linked which I believe you have not considered.
I have considered post 1704. I mean this very gently, I believe it has some problems with it.

As part of talking about the subject, I think it would be helpful to me to know how you believe one is to go about deciding what is a shadow law.

Any law that points to the body of Christ and the role of Jesus in the new covenant is a "shadow of things to come"
Great, thank you!
At the very start of the Ten commandments, God says,
"I am the Lord your God."

This points to Jesus with his "I am" statements, such as "I am the good shepherd", "I am the bread of life."
Following your standard above, that would be a "shadow".

If we agree there, then we can talk about how other parts of the Ten commandments point to the body of Christ and the role of Jesus in the new covenant.
 
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Thanks for asking. I have a part 1 of a root canal surgery on Wednesday (my time) and will go back for a part 2 surgery this Monday my time.
May things go well with you. Prayers!
 
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Thanks for the nice reply.

Starting here

I have considered post 1704. I mean this very gently, I believe it has some problems with it.

As part of talking about the subject, I think it would be helpful to me to know how you believe one is to go about deciding what is a shadow law.


Great, thank you!
At the very start of the Ten commandments, God says,
"I am the Lord your God."

This points to Jesus with his "I am" statements, such as "I am the good shepherd", "I am the bread of life."
Following your standard above, that would be a "shadow".

If we agree there, then we can talk about how other parts of the Ten commandments point to the body of Christ and the role of Jesus in the new covenant.

Goodness Leaf, lets be honest here. All you did in this post was to hand waive away the scriptures posted in post # 1704 linked that show your teachings are not biblical. I only say this in love as a respectful warning from the scriptures in John 12:47-48. Ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear.
 
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Goodness Leaf, lets be honest here. All you did in this post was to hand waive away the scriptures posted in post # 1704 linked that show your teachings are not biblical.
Respectfully, I did more than that.

I continued the process of talking step by step about the idea of "Shadow laws".

Do you agree that the "I am" statements of the Old testament point to Jesus as the "I am"?

I only say this in love as a respectful warning from the scriptures in John 12:47-48.
Big Amen here!

We want to pay super careful attention to the words that Jesus spoke!

"I am the good shepherd" was prefigured by God's name, wasn't it?

Ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear.
Totally true!

Would you like to continue going step by step through God's word on the subject? Please tell me which passage you would like to talk about next.
 
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Hi @SabbathBlessings ,

As I talked about in post 1740 , I think Jesus includes the Ten commandments as part of the law of Moses.
(I thought it was when he was talking to the guys on the way to Emmaus, but it's when those two return to Jerusalem and meet up with the 11. :) )

Do you want to discuss this or shall we "call it a day"?
Hi Leaf,

Thanks for the message. I am not sure we will be able to avoid going in circles again until you understand the differences and significance between God's Laws (the Ten) and the Law of Moses.
 
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Hi Leaf,

Thanks for the message. I am not sure we will be able to avoid going in circles again until you understand the differences and significance between God's Laws (the Ten) and the Law of Moses.
I'm happy to discuss the differences and significance between God's laws and the law of Moses.

I think a good first step would be to either agree or disagree about how Jesus uses the phrase "law of Moses" in Luke. Does it include the Ten commandments in at least one instance?
 
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Respectfully, I did more than that.

I continued the process of talking step by step about the idea of "Shadow laws".

Do you agree that the "I am" statements of the Old testament point to Jesus as the "I am"?


Big Amen here!

We want to pay super careful attention to the words that Jesus spoke!

"I am the good shepherd" was prefigured by God's name, wasn't it?


Totally true!

Would you like to continue going step by step through God's word on the subject? Please tell me which passage you would like to talk about next.

Respectfully, no you didn't. You simply ignore the posts and scriptures shared with you that disagree with you. What point is there to continue a discussion when you ignore the posts and the scriptures that have been shared with you that show why your position is in error and your response is to ignore what has been shared with you from the scriptures? I am only being honest here Leaf. I hope you can receive my post in he Spirit that it is given (love).
 
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Respectfully, no you didn't. You simply ignore the posts and scriptures shared with you that disagree with you. What point is there to continue a discussion when you ignore the posts and the scriptures that have been shared with you that show why your position is in error and your response is to ignore what has been shared with you from the scriptures? I am only being honest here Leaf. I hope you can receive my post in he Spirit that it is given (love).

I'm sad to hear you feel that way.

Let's do this: I'll continue talking about post 1704, and if you feel God leading you to jump back in, you are more than welcome!

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So here's post 1704 in its entirety
Your response here...

Thanks Leaf, Yes this answers my question. Thanks for being honest. Jesus does not teach anywhere in the bible that he fulfilled Gods' law so that we no longer have to. This teaching is against the very Words of Jesus in Matthew 5 and the opposite of what Jesus and all the Apostles in the new covenant taught and does not agree with the scriptures at all and the purpose of Gods' law in the new covenant.

What Jesus actually said was "Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets I have not come to destroy the law or the prophets I have not come to destroy but to fulfill them. Jesus goes on to say not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law till Heaven and earth pass away and all be fulfilled and that whosoever breaks one of the least of these commandments shall be called the least in God's Kingdom and that unless our righteousness exceeds that of the external appearance of the Scribes and the Pharisees we shall in no wise enter into Gods' kingdom. - Matthew 5:17-20.

Jesus fulfilled and obeyed all the law and the prophets. He obeyed Gods' 10 commandments and the "shadow laws" for remission of sins and sin offerings, the Levitical Priesthood the earthly Sanctuary all pointed to Jesus as Gods' sacrifice for the sins of the world once for all (John 1:29; 36; Hebrews 10:10), and his role in the new covenant as our great High Priest *Hebrews 7:1-25 in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man of which the earthly was only a copy based on better promises of the new covenant *Hebrews 8:1-6. Jesus did not "fulfill" these laws like many teach today so that we do not have to. That is a false teaching and a denial of the very words of Jesus in Matthew 5:17-20 and Matthew 5 where Jesus magnifies the requirements of Gods' 10 commandments to our very thoughts and feelings in Matthew 5:21-22 and Matthew 5:27-28.

Jesus came to magnify God’s 10 commandment from the inside out quoting Matthew 5:17-32 (applying adultery and murder to our thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *Isaiah 42:21. This is to show that unless our righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. Evil (moral wrong doing) begins in the heart. Breaking God's 10 commandments from the heart according to Jesus is what defiles a man in Matthew 15:18-19. Jesus is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *Matthew 23:27-28.

Jesus magnified the law to the inside out. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Savior and that sin originates in the heart (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have God’s new covenant promise to of a new heart to love and why we need to be born again by faith in God's Word for salvation to be free from sin (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *Hebrews 8:10-12; 1 John 3:3-10.

This is leading to the new covenant promise of a new heart to love *Hebrews 8:10-12; John 5:42; 1 John 5:17-19; 1 John 4:16; 1 John 5:3; 1 John 4:8.

Without Jesus we do not have the love of God in us *John 5:42. We need to be born of God to love *1 John 4:7 and partake of the new covenant promise. This is why Jesus teaches in *John 3:3-7 that unless we are made clean from the inside out and born again to love we cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven. This is what Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5:20 when discussing the Scribes and the Pharisees teaching the application of God's law from the inside out and applying God’s 10 commandments to our very thoughts.

Whosoever is born of god to love in the new covenant *Hebrews 8:10-12 does not commit sin according to the scriptures in 1 John 3:9; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; Romans 3:31; Matthew 22:36-40. This is the good news of the gospel in the new covenant. We have a Savior to save us from sin (not in sin) but we have to be made new to walk in God's Spirit *Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:1-4.

1 John 3:3-10 is talking about all those who are born again to love and it is love that fulfills God's law in all those who believe and follow god's word in the new covenant *Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 13:8-10. This results in a people that keep God’s law (10 commandments) from the inside out. *Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:3-10; Romans 13:8-10; Romans 3:31; Hebrews 8:10-12. Unless we are born again to love we cannot enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7.

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CONCLUSION: Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: FEAR GOD, AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: FOR THIS IS THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN. God’s LAW (10 commandments) are not abolished they are fulfilled and established in the life of a believer as they believe God’s Word and abide in Christ and are born again to walk in God’s Spirit *1 John 3:6-9; Galatians 5:16; Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4.

Hope this is helpful

Starting here,
Jesus does not teach anywhere in the bible that he fulfilled Gods' law so that we no longer have to. This teaching is against the very Words of Jesus in Matthew 5 and the opposite of what Jesus and all the Apostles in the new covenant taught and does not agree with the scriptures at all and the purpose of Gods' law in the new covenant.
In this section you basically lay out your position as to why you believe I am incorrect. So far, so good.

What Jesus actually said was "Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets I have not come to destroy the law or the prophets I have not come to destroy but to fulfill them. Jesus goes on to say not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law till Heaven and earth pass away and all be fulfilled and that whosoever breaks one of the least of these commandments shall be called the least in God's Kingdom and that unless our righteousness exceeds that of the external appearance of the Scribes and the Pharisees we shall in no wise enter into Gods' kingdom. - Matthew 5:17-20.
I agree.

Jesus fulfilled and obeyed all the law and the prophets.
We continue to agree.

He obeyed Gods' 10 commandments and the "shadow laws" for remission of sins and sin offerings...
At this point it sounds like you're saying that "all the law" that you mentioned above can be divided into two categories:
The Ten commandments
And
The "shadow laws".

By "all the law" I assume you mean every law from Genesis to Deuteronomy.

Am I understanding you correctly so far?
 
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What are the ordinances that were imposed on them until the reformation?

Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

They were Ordinances pertaining to the sanctuary services. These were until the time of the reformation. They were those which were a shadow.

Heb 9:1 Therefore the first was having also indeed ordinances of services, and the worldly sanctuary.
 
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I'm happy to discuss the differences and significance between God's laws and the law of Moses.

I think a good first step would be to either agree or disagree about how Jesus uses the phrase "law of Moses" in Luke. Does it include the Ten commandments in at least one instance?
The law of Moses is a separate covenant than God’s laws (the Ten Commandments).

Christ made it clear the purpose of the Law of Moses was to prepare His people for His arrival. (Luke 24:44).

The ceremonial ordinances of Law of Moses ended with Christ as our sacrifice, not God’s commandments which are eternal.

Colossians 2:14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

This is the law of Moses. Written in Moses’ own handwriting. Contained civil and ceremonial ordinances. It was written on a parchment scroll and it contained curses against those who did not obey the works of the law. The Book of the Law (Law of Moses) was placed on the side of the ark-as a witness against Israel. Deut 31:26 It was on the side of the ark, instead of inside (where God’s Ten Commandments are stored) because it was temporary.

God’s Ten Commandments was placed inside the ark and written by God on stone and spoken by God and placed in the upmost holy inside His Temple. We know they are not “wiped out” because they are also in Heaven

Revelations 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple.

What is inside the ark of the Covenant? God’s Ten Commandments.

I know the laws are confusing but once you understand God’s Ten Commandments are eternal, His perfect will for us that reflect the very essence of who God is, you will have better understanding of both OT and NT scriptures.

God bless
 
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There are laws within the Law of Moses, the Book of the Law that are part of the Law, His Word that is in our hearts and minds. IT IS NOT JUST THE TEN COMMANDMENTS that is in our hearts and minds.
 
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