Quick decision-making is not Biden’s style

Valletta · May 29, 2021

Tiberius Lee said:
But .. but from 2015 – 2020 we heard about the “Big beautiful wall” and the Mexico paid for it. If that is in place then we shouldn’t worry about border because it is secure.

Oh wait .. those were only the lip service .. Trump didn’t actually build any thing!

Recall that Democrats brought many lawsuits which delayed the building of the wall. The wall was nearly finished but Biden stopped the project and people today can just walk through the gaps.

TLK Valentine · May 29, 2021

Tiberius Lee said:
But .. but from 2015 – 2020 we heard about the “Big beautiful wall” and the Mexico paid for it. If that is in place then we shouldn’t worry about border because it is secure.

Oh wait .. those were only the lip service .. Trump didn’t actually build any thing!

In all fairness to Donald, he was probably waiting to get the check from Mexico before building the big beautiful Wall.

After all, Donald knows better than anyone the folly of doing the work first and then expecting payment.

TLK Valentine · May 29, 2021

Albion said:
Let's say, for the sake of the argument, that all of what you said is true.

So......what do you have to say about the current sex trafficking, drug smuggling, children being warehoused in deplorable conditions, illegals crossing the open border in record numbers and being spirited to various cities all over the country by night...and both the President and Vice-President tacitly approving of all of that by their total inaction?

I'd have to say that if there was, in fact, "total inaction," as you claimed, you'd have a valid point.

Tiberius Lee · May 29, 2021

Valletta said:
Recall that Democrats brought many lawsuits which delayed the building of the wall. The wall was nearly finished but Biden stopped the project and people today can just walk through the gaps.

Aha so Trump didn’t build the wall because “people today can just walk through the gaps. “

Albion · May 29, 2021

Valletta said:
Recall that Democrats brought many lawsuits which delayed the building of the wall. The wall was nearly finished but Biden stopped the project and people today can just walk through the gaps.

It's hard to imagine anyone not knowing these facts already, but I'm glad you spelled it out for those people who for some reason don't.

Tiberius Lee said:
Aha so Trump didn’t build the wall because “people today can just walk through the gaps. “

He wasn't ALLOWED to complete it because the Congress didn't want the president to have such a success as that to point to. Even so, the partially completed wall would be of importance if the present administration were not insistent upon allowing anyone just to walk through the gaps at any time.

ArmenianJohn · May 29, 2021

Valletta said:
The numbers crossing are staggering--the Biden administration is flat out lying when they say the border is closed. Neither Joe nor Kamala wants to travel to the border because it will bring more attention to the disaster. Although I am not a bid United Nations fan perhaps it is time U.N. troops move to the border to rescue the children.

Exodus 22:23
You shall not wrong a sojourner or oppress him, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.

Psalm 146:9
The Lord watches over the sojourners; he upholds the widow and the fatherless, but the way of the wicked he brings to ruin.

Matthew 25:35
For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,

ArmenianJohn · May 29, 2021

Valletta said:
Yours is a false accusation, I have no outrage against immigrants.

No, it's not false. You can say with words that you "have no outrage against immigrants" but the fact that you have ranted against them and called them nothing but "illegal", criminals, "cartels", and even "terrorists" says the opposite. It doesn't fool me or anyone else that you say you have no outrage after you've been expressing outrage repeatedly.

Valletta said:
We are a nation of immigrants, so many who came to this country fleeing tyrannical leaders who denied the people free and fair elections and put themselves above the people. In the face of this national disaster with unknown people pouring over the border, Biden proposes a 0.1 percent increase in the budget for Homeland Security, which included ICE.

Not sure what your point here is - why does ICE need more money? Do you believe in increasing government spending, is that it? Do you believe that throwing money at a government agency helps it to get better and improve?

You're worried about terrorists, cartels, etc. "pouring over the border" simply because Trump spouted the lie that ""When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you…They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists."

I would think by now you and the others would have realized you were lied to and played. Obviously, even Trumjp himself didn't believe what he said and that's why he hasn't built any wall.

But God doesn't say you should suspect strangers of being terrorists anddrug cartels. God says you should be aware that how you treat strangers is how you may be treating an angel, unaware:
Hebrews 13:2 Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

So go ahead and believe Trump if you like - I'll stick to what God says in His Word.

Valletta · May 29, 2021

ArmenianJohn said:
No, it's not false. You can say with words that you "have no outrage against immigrants" but the fact that you have ranted against them and called them nothing but "illegal", criminals, "cartels", and even "terrorists". It doesn't fool me or anyone else that you say you have no outrage after you've expressing outrage repeatedly.

Not sure what your point here is - why does ICE need more money? Do you believe in increasing government spending, is that it? Do you believe that throwing money at a government agency helps it to get better and improve?

You're worried about terrorists, cartels, etc. "pouring over the border" simply because Trump spouted the lie that ""When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you…They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists."

I would think by now you and the others would have realized you were lied to and played. Obviously, even Trumjp himself didn't believe what he said and that's why he hasn't built any wall.

But God doesn't say you should suspect strangers of being terrorists anddrug cartels. God says you should be aware that how you treat strangers is how you may be treating an angel, unaware:
Hebrews 13:2 Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

So go ahead and believe Trump if you like - I'll stick to what God says in His Word.

There were huge increased in virtually every category of government with the exceptions of veterans and Homeland Security. This despite the fact that we have a disaster at the border, I've seen the films showing people still crossing contrary to the lie from the Biden administration that the border is closed. It is you have been played, the cartels control the border, and telling the people to "come" increased the numbers of humans for human trafficking at the hands of the cartels. Human trafficking is neither mine nor God's idea of hospitality. The actions by the administration are sick and twisted.

Albion · May 29, 2021

Not even the usual mouthpieces for the Biden administration--CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, etc.--are denying that the border is open, that the border patrol has been ordered by the administration to stop doing its usual "due diligence," and all the rest.

They merely have steadily reduced their coverage of that news, despite how important it is.

Tiberius Lee · May 29, 2021

Albion said:
It's hard to imagine anyone not knowing these facts already, but I'm glad you spelled it out for those people who for some reason don't.

He wasn't ALLOWED to complete it because the Congress didn't want the president to have such a success as that to point to. Even so, the partially completed wall would be of importance if the present administration were not insistent upon allowing anyone just to walk through the gaps at any time.

Again .. bottom line is Mexico didn’t pay for the wall and Trump didn’t build the wall. End of the story!

Albion · May 29, 2021

Tiberius Lee said:
Again .. bottom line is Mexico didn’t pay for the wall and Trump didn’t build the wall. End of the story!

Not the end of the story.

Mexico was in the process of doing that when Biden took over from Trump, and Trump built as much of the wall as Congress would allow him to do. He tried every which way to get it done but was thwarted part of the way along.

You sound as though you think this represents some kind of dishonesty or disinterest on HIS part! That's ridiculous.

Tiberius Lee · May 29, 2021

Albion said:
Not the end of the story.

Mexico was in the process of doing that when Biden took over from Trump, and Trump built as much of the wall as Congress would allow him to do. He tried every which way to get it done but was thwarted part of the way along.

You sound as though you think this represents some kind of dishonesty or disinterest on HIS part! That's ridiculous.

Did Trump build wall? NO. ( not interested in " my dog ate my home work" story)
Did Mexico pay for the wall? NO.

4 years and Trump didn't build the wall..and Mexico didn't pay for the wall. No wonder people didn't vote for him.

Albion · May 29, 2021

Tiberius Lee said:
Did Trump build wall? NO. ( not interested in " my dog ate my home work" story)
Did Mexico pay for the wall? NO.

4 years and Trump didn't build the wall..and Mexico didn't pay for the wall. No wonder people didn't vote for him.

What's the point of that line of argument? Yes, he was prevented by the Democrats in Congress from completing either of those projects although he did make progress on both.

So, in the final analysis, we're supposed to blame HIM instead of the obstructionists?? That's just a weird, weird, nonsensical argument.

ArmenianJohn · May 29, 2021

Albion said:
What's the point of that line of argument? Yes, he was prevented by the Democrats in Congress from completing either of those projects although he did make progress on both.

So, in the final analysis, we're supposed to blame HIM instead of the obstructionists?? That's just a weird, weird, nonsensical argument.

The point is that Trump made a promise that he knew (or should have known) he couldn't keep and therefore failed to keep it, and rather than admit that you and every other Trump supporter are searching for excuse after excuse - especially ones that amount to "the Democrats' fault!!!"

Whatever the reason - EVEN IF it's the Democrats who stopped him - admit he failed to do what he promised. HE failed. HE broke his promise. The whole point of it is that when you fail, you fail, regardless of the reason or excuse. There's always a reason for it but it doesn't change the fact that you failed.

Yet not one Trump supporter seems to ever be able to simply say "Trump failed". And then they wonder why they and their views are not taken seriously. And that's just a weird, weird phenomenon.

Albion · May 29, 2021

ArmenianJohn said:
The point is that Trump made a promise that he knew (or should have known) he couldn't keep

But he was on his way to keeping it. It was only that the opposition party prevented him from keeping it.

...and rather than admit that you and every other Trump supporter are searching for excuse after excuse - especially ones that amount to "the Democrats' fault!!!"

?? This one is beyond questioning, however.

We all know, whether or not we all want to admit it, that had not the Congress cut off funds and put other obstacles in the way of this plan being completed, there is every likelihood that it would have been completed.

Whatever the reason - EVEN IF it's the Democrats who stopped him - admit he failed to do what he promised. HE failed. HE broke his promise.

I'm sorry but that's just nonsense. No one can "break" a promise if it is made impossible by outside circumstances, after the promise was made. If an athlete, for example, promises to win some competition but then the games are cancelled because of Covid, do you ridicule him and say he "broke his promise?" I would think not. At least, I would hope that something so absurd as that wouldn't be the reaction.

There's always a reason for it but it doesn't change the fact that you failed.

Yet not one Trump supporter seems to ever be able to simply say "Trump failed".

But "failed" was not your issue here! Rather, it was that "HE broke his promise."

ArmenianJohn · May 29, 2021

Albion said:
But he was on his way to keeping it. It was only that the opposition party prevented him from keeping it.

But...but...but...but.... [excuses]

Aren't conservatives always telling everyone else to stop playing the victim and pull yourself up by the bootstraps and take responsibility for yourself? Funny how they don't practice what they preach.

Albion said:
?? This one is beyond questioning, however.

We all know, whether or not we all want to admit it, that had not the Congress cut off funds and put other obstacles in the way of this plan being completed, there is every likelihood that it would have been completed.

He had 2 years of a Republican Congress and got nothing done. Yes, the Congress without being Republican-controlled would not give him a blank check to do just anything he wants. He and everyone in the nation knew this beforehand. So why make the promise when you know this could (and likely will) be a problem? Why make a promise you can't keep? You do that when you don't really care about keeping promises and just want to tickle the ears of people to get votes...or appeal to racists.

Albion said:
I'm sorry but that's just nonsense. No one can "break" a promise if it is made impossible by outside circumstances, after the promise was made. If an athlete, for example, promises to win some competition but then the games are cancelled because of Covid, do you ridicule him and say he "broke his promise?" I would think not. At least, I would hope that something so absurd as that wouldn't be the reaction.

No, THAT's nonsense. You can definitely break a promise if it is made impossible by outside circumstances. It's still a broken promise. People who are wise don't make promises they can't keep. And I could see a case for extreme external circumstances - someone gets killed, some catastrophe happens, etc. But what you and Trump and the other Trump supporters are blaming is "the Democrats". Well, that's not an external, unusual circumstance. The Democrats were known to be there all along and known not to just go along with whatever Trump or the Republicans want to do.

To use your example, if an athlete promises to win a competition and then fails to do it because the games are canceled then, yes, that is an extenuating circumstance. He still broke his promise but it's understandable that it was some unexpected, unusual circumstance. Most people will accept that excuse. But if he fails to win and then says, "But...but...but...my competitors wouldn't let me win!!!!" then nobody's going to buy that as a valid excuse.

So knowing about the Democrats being there why did Trump make the promise? Because he didn't really care. He knew he'd fail and break his promise. It was just red meat to appeal to his followers to appeal to their xenophobia. And it worked, for that ulterior goal. But he FAILED at building his wall and he broke his promise.

Albion said:
But "failed" was not your issue here! Rather, it was that "HE broke his promise."

He both failed to build the wall and, in doing so, broke his promise.

Valletta · May 30, 2021

ArmenianJohn said:
But...but...but...but.... [excuses]

Aren't conservatives always telling everyone else to stop playing the victim and pull yourself up by the bootstraps and take responsibility for yourself? Funny how they don't practice what they preach.

He had 2 years of a Republican Congress and got nothing done. Yes, the Congress without being Republican-controlled would not give him a blank check to do just anything he wants. He and everyone in the nation knew this beforehand. So why make the promise when you know this could (and likely will) be a problem? Why make a promise you can't keep? You do that when you don't really care about keeping promises and just want to tickle the ears of people to get votes...or appeal to racists.

No, THAT's nonsense. You can definitely break a promise if it is made impossible by outside circumstances. It's still a broken promise. People who are wise don't make promises they can't keep. And I could see a case for extreme external circumstances - someone gets killed, some catastrophe happens, etc. But what you and Trump and the other Trump supporters are blaming is "the Democrats". Well, that's not an external, unusual circumstance. The Democrats were known to be there all along and known not to just go along with whatever Trump or the Republicans want to do.

To use your example, if an athlete promises to win a competition and then fails to do it because the games are canceled then, yes, that is an extenuating circumstance. He still broke his promise but it's understandable that it was some unexpected, unusual circumstance. Most people will accept that excuse. But if he fails to win and then says, "But...but...but...my competitors wouldn't let me win!!!!" then nobody's going to buy that as a valid excuse.

So knowing about the Democrats being there why did Trump make the promise? Because he didn't really care. He knew he'd fail and break his promise. It was just red meat to appeal to his followers to appeal to their xenophobia. And it worked, for that ulterior goal. But he FAILED at building his wall and he broke his promise.

He both failed to build the wall and, in doing so, broke his promise.

Even the leftist networks disagree with your rewrite of history. Democrats opposed and delayed the building of the wall.

Trump administration seeks emergency court order to build border wall
Democrats Reject Trump Border Wall Proposal, Calling It A 'Non-Starter'

The Biden administration is lying to you when they say the border is closed and "secure." It is not secure, there are recordings of people pouring over the border. You may not know this if you only watch the Democrat networks. Try watching Australian or British television and see for yourself.

SimplyMe · May 30, 2021

Valletta said:
Even the leftist networks disagree with your rewrite of history. Democrats opposed and delayed the building of the wall.

Trump administration seeks emergency court order to build border wall
Democrats Reject Trump Border Wall Proposal, Calling It A 'Non-Starter'

The Biden administration is lying to you when they say the border is closed and "secure." It is not secure, there are recordings of people pouring over the border. You may not know this if you only watch the Democrat networks. Try watching Australian or British television and see for yourself.

Odd how quickly Republicans forget that Democrats offered Trump $25 billion to build his wall, and that they even appeared to have a deal with the White House, in exchange for a permanent DACA solution; only to have some of the anti-immigration faction that worked in the White House get in Trump's ear and scuttle the deal.

I'm sorry, it is Trump's own fault he couldn't get his wall funded.

ArmenianJohn · May 30, 2021

Valletta said:
Even the leftist networks disagree with your rewrite of history. Democrats opposed and delayed the building of the wall.

Trump administration seeks emergency court order to build border wall
Democrats Reject Trump Border Wall Proposal, Calling It A 'Non-Starter'

The Biden administration is lying to you when they say the border is closed and "secure." It is not secure, there are recordings of people pouring over the border. You may not know this if you only watch the Democrat networks. Try watching Australian or British television and see for yourself.

Where did I "rewrite history"? Where did I claim the Democrats did not oppose or delay the wall? Besides, as @SimplyMe pointed out the Democrats did offer a compromise and Trump still couldn't (wouldn't) keep his promise.

wing2000 · May 30, 2021

Valletta said:
Even the leftist networks disagree with your rewrite of history. Democrats opposed and delayed the building of the wall.

As did some Republicans (John Kelly for one) and anyone else who has a clue about effective border security.

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