How LOST are the SHEEP?

Guojing · May 28, 2021

Daniel Malik said:
Also what makes you say there are no children of israel... they have to be someone because christ will gather them from the four corners and they are the numbered elect ...their isnt a gate that say gentile

Rev 7:4
And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Rev 7:5
Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:6
Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:7
Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:8
Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

1 corinthians 12:27
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

1Co 12:28
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

There are always Jews living in this earth, even now.

So yes, once the Tribulation begins, you will see 144,000 of them preaching to the nation Israel.

If that is your point, I agree.

Daniel Malik · May 28, 2021

Guojing said:
Yes, there is a hierarchy in the kingdom, that is obvious, if that is the point you are making.

The 12 apostles will be sitting on 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel during those 1000 years so yes, they are ranked rather high in that hierarchy.

Okay Kool we have that understanding... Now then, where will the gentiles be ? The ones that are not numbered of the tribes of israel.

Daniel Malik · May 28, 2021

Guojing said:
There are always Jews living in this earth, even now.

So yes, once the Tribulation begins, you will see 144,000 of them preaching to the nation Israel.

If that is your point, I agree.

So what are we disagreeing on then, I just want to understand what you believe the gentiles will be doing in the kingdom

Guojing · May 28, 2021

Daniel Malik said:
Okay Kool we have that understanding... Now then, where will the gentiles be ? The ones that are not numbered of the tribes of israel.

There will be gentiles in the kingdom, those who are deemed as sheep in the sheep and goat judgement at the end of the Tribulation (Matthew 25:31-46).

They will enter the kingdom as mortals, have kids etc.

Guojing · May 28, 2021

Daniel Malik said:
So what are we disagreeing on then, I just want to understand what you believe the gentiles will be doing in the kingdom

They will populate the Earth during the kingdom, they probably have to serve Israel (Isaiah 61:5), and make annual visits to Jerusalem (Zechariah 8:20-23)

Daniel Malik · May 28, 2021

Guojing said:
There will be gentiles in the kingdom, those who are deemed as sheep in the sheep and goat judgement at the end of the Tribulation (Matthew 25:31-46).

They will enter the kingdom as mortals, have kids etc.

Isaiah 49:
22Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders.

23And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.

24Shall the prey be taken from the mighty, or the lawful captive delivered?

25But thus saith the LORD, Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered: for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee, and I will save thy children.

26And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

Isa 60:10

And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee.
Isa 60:11

Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought.
Isa 60:12

For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.
Isa 60:13

The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious.
Isa 60:14

The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
Isa 60:15

Whereas thou hast been forsaken and hated, so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations.

Daniel Malik · May 28, 2021

Guojing said:
They will populate the Earth during the kingdom, they probably have to serve Israel (Isaiah 61:5), and make annual visits to Jerusalem (Zechariah 8:20-23)

Thats right , in the end we agree I just brought out some precepts on that if you wanna check that , but with that I give all Praises to the most high God the Father and the Messiah , son of man, son of the living God that I was able to bring out these scriptures and precepts through the spirit in your name for the lifting of the nation. Amen

Tolworth John · May 28, 2021

Daniel Malik said:
The question here becomes : Is your response biblical?
Middle eastern Sheppard?

I have to inform you that contrary to your beliefs Jesus was born a New and he lived in the middle East, in what was then called Palestine. He did not speak English but Aramaic.

The illustrations he used were drawn from a rural middle Eastern culture.

He was not white nor was he from England or from the U S of A.

Daniel Malik · May 28, 2021

Tolworth John said:
I have to inform you that contrary to your beliefs Jesus was born a New and he lived in the middle East, in what was then called Palestine. He did not speak English but Aramaic.

The illustrations he used were drawn from a rural middle Eastern culture.

He was not white nor was he from England or from the U S of A.

When he was born the location was not called palestine. you are misinformed, the bible says bethleham judea, of Israel of antiquity . He spoke paleo-Hebrew not aramaic which is another shemetic dialect similar to it in nature. Middle eastern isnt a definitive term for a cultural definition due to the facts that all nations are birth from the Levant area. middle eastern , not english, not white is irrelevant because we can see in the bible where he was born, his culture, his nature, and what he looked like so its cut and dry

Daniel Malik · May 28, 2021

Tolworth John said:
I have to inform you that contrary to your beliefs Jesus was born a New and he lived in the middle East, in what was then called Palestine.

Tell me my belief then ? haha

Matthew 2: 1
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

SkyWriting · Sep 16, 2021

Daniel Malik said:
The question always comes to our minds of who are the lost sheep? No, who are the Sheep ?
In this particular thread the discussion of who the Children of God are ? Who is the Father of these children? The relation between 'Jesus' , Ancient of Days, and holy spirit; amongst other topics relating to salvation to the children of God in the lord's day.

John 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
25Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30I and my Father are one.

LETS BREAKDOWN THIS VERSE TO START THE EDIFICATION OF THE LOST SHEEP SCATTERED ABROAD

There is no mention of lost sheep. It mentions "Not my sheep".

SkyWriting · Oct 2, 2021

Daniel Malik said:
The question always comes to our minds of who are the lost sheep? No, who are the Sheep ?

The sheep are all people and the lost sheep ignore Jesus.

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