Futurist Only Is Trumpet 6 the same as Bowl 6?
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Near the end of the 7 years, the beast is attacked....
After defeating the attackers from the south, he moves his operation back to Jerusalem, as news from the north and east causes him worry. He does it in Daniel 11:45. But something totally unexpected happens....
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At which time this happens....
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Which causes the Kings of the earth, their armies already drawn into the middle east, to unite all their forces under the beast to attempt to make war on Jesus.
They assemble at Armageddon, a plain north of Jerusalem for 45 days preparing. And move down to Jerusalem, taking the Jews in Jerusalem as hostages.
At the end of the 45 days, Jesus descends from heaven and this takes place....
Ending the Great Tribulation. And Satan's kingdom of Babylon the Great, and Satan to be a terror no more.
Near the end of the 7 years, the beast is attacked....
After defeating the attackers from the south, he moves his operation back to Jerusalem, as news from the north and east causes him worry. He does it in Daniel 11:45. But something totally unexpected happens....
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At which time this happens....
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Which causes the Kings of the earth, their armies already drawn into the middle east, to unite all their forces under the beast to attempt to make war on Jesus.
They assemble at Armageddon, a plain north of Jerusalem for 45 days preparing. And move down to Jerusalem, taking the Jews in Jerusalem as hostages.
At the end of the 45 days, Jesus descends from heaven and this takes place....
Ending the Great Tribulation. And Satan's kingdom of Babylon the Great, and Satan to be a terror no more.
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No, there is also China and India. History records a very extensive sea trade between the far east and Africa. Even Greece attempted to extend into India, before Rome was an empire. One cannot just declare China and India did not exist, nor was a potential threat, any more than they are today.
The whole world was not just the Roman Empire, nor did any one in that day think that. They were smarter than some give them credit. There still was no 10 Nation coalition in the first century as Revelation claimed. And not because they were non existent.
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This is not a view of the Seals. Christ comes in the 6th Seal to be here during the 6 Trumpets and 7 Thunders. There are 7 Thunders between the 6th and 7th Trumpets. The Seals are complete before the 1st Trumpet can even sound. The 7 Thunders are complete before the 7th Trumpet sounds.
Revelation 14 is Revelation 13, if the week of the sound of the 7th Trumpet is not split. The winepress is still on Sunday, but no 42 months as declared in Revelation 13. No FP or beast. No 7 vials of wrath nor a battle of Armageddon.
If the week is split, then Revelation 14 is still on Sunday at the battle of Armageddon, just after the vials are poured out on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. The 3.5 days the 2 witnesses lay dead in Jerusalem.
The 42 months are not the wrath and judgment from God. It is a time of desolation that extends the sound of the 7th Trumpet and causes the Trumpet to stop sounding 42 months later, until the desolation is complete. Daniel 9:27 is not 7 years. It is 7 days, the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. The Trumpets and Thunders are the 3.5 years to complete the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the 70th week of Daniel. 3.5 years between the baptism and Cross completed the first half. The second half is not a 3.5 year period, because God decides the moment of the Second Coming making the church age longer and the last 3.5 years of God's Wrath shorter. The 1st Seal would be the start of the 3.5 years. The longer the time between the first and fifth Seal, the shorter the time between the 6th Seal and the 7th Trumpet.
If Satan gets 42 months, the 7th Trumpet stops after the one hour battle of Armageddon with the 10 nation coalition on Sunday between 5pm and 6pm. 6pm starts the Monday of the Millennium. Revelation 20:4 would be in the morning 12 hours later. Satan is bound in the pit, and his mess cleaned up in those 12 hours.
Revelation 12 would be a recap of the 70th week. The birth of Christ, then later Satan being cast out as part of the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. It introduces Satan after the 7th Trumpet sounds. Sometime between Sunday and Wednesday when the Covenant is confirmed, after Satan is cast out of heaven along with the angels released in the 5th Trumpet from the pit, the confirmation decides if time is extended 42 months, or not extended.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Some modern translations have changed the meaning of the text. More than likely to teach a certain eschatology.
27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.
The 7th Trumpet does not make a strong covenant. It completes and brings to an end the Covenant. That is confirmation of the Atonement Covenant. That Covenant was made on the Cross, before the foundation of the world. It is not made at some future point in time. It is confirmed and completed.
Revelation 10:7
“There will be no more delay; on the contrary, in the days of the sound from the seventh angel when he sounds his shofar, the hidden plan of God will be brought to completion, the Good News as he proclaimed it to his servants the prophets.”
Daniel 9:27 is fulfilled along with all the prophecies about the Atonement. Even Genesis 3:15. If time is extended for 42 months, then it will not be complete until the battle of Armageddon. Then the 7th Trumpet can stop sounding.
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Yes, I'm certainly aware of this. However, Paul said that the gospel had gone out to the whole world, even when he knew it hadn't gone literally everywhere. This is because the word for world also means land. If I say the whole land, that doesn't imply the whole globe, even in English.
I agree there was no 10 nation coalition. That will happen in the future among 10 middle eastern countries. I would argue Egypt, Libya, Sudan as the horns that are plucked, and the other 7 will include Turkey, Syria, and Iraq. Other than this, there are many other middle eastern nations to be the other 4.
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You had me scratching my head for a bit thinking about your placement of the palatial tents. Turns out my translation said "between the Sea and the glorious holy mountain" which I assumed to be the Mediterranean. Yet, it can also be translated "between the Seas, at the glorious holy mountain". Now, I'm no Hebrew scholar, but the second option seems way more consistent with the rest of scripture. Thank you for helping me figure this out!
We definitely have a few differences in eschatology. For example, I take the Beast to be the King of the North because I consider him to be an Islamic/Middle Eastern antichrist, rather than an EU Antichrist. Either way, I very much appreciate your time and effort into putting together the graphics.
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Except that we do know that Thomas made it to India. That it went to China should not be questioned. What happened in China never made it back to Europe. Not that nothing happened at all.
Taking the 6th Seal literally: "The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place."
Life as we know it will not be the same after the 6th Seal, the Second Coming. God will bring all Nations to the throne. No more land division between nations geographically speaking.
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Fair enough. I don't deny that the whole world includes the whole planet; I just don't think it has to mean the whole planet. Everything in Revelation is Jerusalem-centric.
I also don't know how literally to take Seal 6. I guess I will know when I see it.
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Rev 13 and 14 happen during the 1st 6 seals.
In other words, the seals are opened in order. At the 6th seal Christ returns. It is the same return that you see immediately after the tribulation in Matthew 24. There is a rapture at that point. Christ is in the clouds. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins with the blowing of the 1st trumpet. The wrath of God is over at the 7th trumpet. Then Rev 13 and 14 takes place back in the seals with the return of Christ occurring at the end of Rev 14. (same return of Christ that takes place at the 6th seal and Matt 24) Then there is a different view of the wrath of God with the 7 vials.
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There is a coming of Jesus for the gathering at the 6th seal. It is the same coming of Jesus that we see in Matt 24. This is not the second coming of Jesus when Armageddon occurs and He sets up his kingdom. At this coming Jesus remains in the clouds. It is the gathering from heaven and earth and then all return to heaven for the marriage supper. We get another view of this coming in the clouds in Rev 14.
Rev 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
No, Jesus comes for the gathering at the 6th seal. Which is the same gathering that we see immediately after the tribulation in Matt 24.
Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Scripture also tells us that wrath comes at the 1 trumpet, so yes, wrath comes at the 7th trumpet and is over and finished and the kingdoms of the this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 6
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Rev 14
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
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Douggg, not so. The great tribulation ends with a rapture. It is the gathering from heaven and earth and then the wrath of God begins. It's easy to prove what you are saying is wrong because during the wrath of God................................
Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
We see that people are tormented for 5 months during the wrath of God. 5 months is 150 days so it can be proven that you 45 day scenario is incorrect and should be removed from your timeline.
As I said, this is proven incorrect by the 5 months or 150 days that people are being tormented during the wrath of God.
Consider this............For Zec 14
Matt 24:
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
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The 5 months (150 days) of torment by the locust creatures fits within the 1335 day Great Tribulation period. As does the 45 days.
In Matthew 24, the great tribulation begins when the abomination of desolation is standing in the holy place.
The vials of God's wrath take place within the 1335 day Great Tribulation period.
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Ok Douggg. I see why you think that.
However, the tribulation is over in Matt 24 and at the 6th seal, before the wrath of God begins.
Matt 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Additionally, the wrath of God is over at the 7th trumpet. The vials are just another view of of things that happen in the trumpets.
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What I am saying is that for our understanding purposes Matthew 24:29-30 has to be broken down into two parts - because there has to be a "reason" why the kings of the earth gather their armies together to make war on Jesus, in Revelation 16 and 19.
In Revelation 16, the kings of the earth commit to assembling their armies at Armageddon - because they are terrorized by the prospect of Jesus executing judgment on them - because they will plainly see Him in the third heaven before the throne of God when the sixth seal takes place.
But here is the reason that the "great tribulation" is not over by the sixth seal event - the move to gather their armies is before the 7th vial - of God's wrath.
The great tribulation is "almost" over at the sixth seal, - but there is that 7th vial of God's wrath yet to be poured out after the sixth seal event. Which in Revelation 16:17-21 is the great hail, smashing the cities around the world, and the unprecedented earthquake that divides the earth's crust into three parts.
Which we have in Matthew 24:29 "after the tribulation of those days".... the word "great" not included - because the 7th vial of the great tribulation is between the 6th seal event and the day Jesus descends down to earth in v30.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
[the above is the sixth seal event - which in Revelation 16 causes the kings of the earth to assemble their armies to make war on Jesus.
Which would include a strategy, likely devised by the beast and Satan they think will keep Jesus from destroying them, which in Zechariah 14, indicates the armies will take the Jews in Jerusalem hostage, part taken outside of the city and part held within the city.
That process takes time, which appears to be the 45 days differential to also allow for the 7th vial of the great tribulation to take place - probably in the days right before Jesus descends, or globally part of His return on that very day, because in v17, "it is done" .]
Below is the actual literal day Jesus descends down to earth.
and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
From my chart....
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The GT is not the tribulation of those days.
The tribulation of those days are the first 4 seals. Notice 2 billion people die.
Then the Second Coming. In the Trumpets another 2 billion people die. If there were 8 billion people half the world is gone by the 6th Trumpet. Then you have the Thunders. Filling in the missing math, one of the Thunders, would be half. The first was 25%, then 33%, and the next would be 50%. By the time the 7th Trumpet sounds only 2 billion out of 8 billion are left. Each set of events removing 2 billion for each event. It is not the same event from different views. It is the eradication of Adam's flesh 2 billion at a time. The last 2 billion have the mark of the beast and are killed at Armageddon or the winepress in Revelation 14.
Now that is based on 8 billion humans including the church. Now will the church itself be the first 2 billion? That is not a given. First off, if the church took God seriously, instead of their own understanding, God could claim the whole 8 billion and leave Satan nothing.
It seems though the church is just going to sleep through it, and claim, "wake me up when the AC shows up."
The Seals were placed first and deal with the church. The church is sealed in the Lamb's book of life. That is the book that is being unsealed, one event at a time. That the church is raptured and the Second Coming is last makes no sense. The last of Adam to die is at Armageddon or the winepress. Why would God want us to flip the chronology? If that were the case, the vials would come first and remove all those who potentially would have recieved the mark, boom 7 billion people cast into the lake of fire. They instantly disappeared into the lake of fire. Then those who persevered to the end are glorifed.
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This is referring to the FP. It is about Antiochus Epiphanies as a Greek who was backed by Satan. John is taking Daniel's point as an example of a future event, just like Jesus did. Except Jesus was warning them about the Roman armies. John is warning about a future FP in cahoots with Satan, not the event in the 2nd century BC.
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I am not claiming the kingdom is set up at the 6th Seal. I never claimed anything about a kingdom being set up. The Second Coming is the same as the first coming. Jesus Christ will be on earth physically gathering the final harvest. That is not setting up any kingdom. This is the eradication of Adam's flesh and blood from existence.
The trib of "those days" the last 1991 years towards the church and life in general is over at the 6th Seal. The Great Tribulation will happen while Jesus Christ is eradicating sinful flesh, by removing souls from this corruptible body.
The 144k are the Israelite firstfruits sealed during the GT. They are modern day disciples just like the original 12 in the first century. They gather souls during the GT along with Jesus Christ and the angels. The 7th Trumpet is the end of the GT.
The GT of unprecedented trouble starts at the first Trumpet after the Second Coming in the 6th Seal. Christ, the 144k, and angels are gathering the final harvest and the majority of humanity is harvested, one way or the other. If many humans are left when the 7th Trumpet starts, then Satan may get an extended period of 42 months. Then some will escape Death by being beheaded. The rest of Adam's flesh will be killed at Armageddon, 42 months after the 7th Trumpet starts. The 7th Trumpet will not end it's sound until the battle of Armageddon is finished and all humanity dead.
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The 6th Trumpet war is the symbolic & literal siege of 'Jerusalem' and is different than the 6th Bowl war/ Armageddon. (Seals, then Trumpets, then Bowls in sequential order, not concurrent or overlapping.)
The 6th Trumpet war is concurrent with the 2 witnesses 1260 days (it is not as long as 1260 days, it could be 'a year, a day, a month, an hour') (resembling the 390 days of Ezekiel 4's siege of Jerusalem). So, if it is 390 days, it is the first 390 days of the 2 witnesses 1260 days. That's why
Rev 9
20 Now the rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the works of their hands. They did not stop worshiping demons and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk.
After the war is over, they 'don't repent' even though the 2 witnesses are calling them to repent for the days that are post- day 390.
The 6th Trumpet war is the war that 'Israel' has 'recovered from'
Ezek 37
21 you are to tell them that this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘I will take the Israelites out of the nations to which they have gone, and I will gather them from all around and bring them into their own land. 22 I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel, and one king will rule over all of them. Then they will no longer be two nations and will never again be divided into two kingdoms.
23 They will no longer defile themselves with their idols or detestable images, or with any of their transgressions. I will save them from all their apostasies by which they sinned, and I will cleanse them. Then they will be My people, and I will be their God. 24 My servant David will be king over them, and there will be one shepherd for all of them. They will follow My ordinances and keep and observe My statutes. 25 They will live in the land that I gave to My servant Jacob, where your fathers lived. They will live there forever with their children and grandchildren, and My servant David will be their prince forever. 26 And I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary among them forever. 27 My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be My people.e 28 Then the nations will know that I the LORD sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is among them forever.’ ”
Ezek 3823 They will no longer defile themselves with their idols or detestable images, or with any of their transgressions. I will save them from all their apostasies by which they sinned, and I will cleanse them. Then they will be My people, and I will be their God. 24 My servant David will be king over them, and there will be one shepherd for all of them. They will follow My ordinances and keep and observe My statutes. 25 They will live in the land that I gave to My servant Jacob, where your fathers lived. They will live there forever with their children and grandchildren, and My servant David will be their prince forever. 26 And I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary among them forever. 27 My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be My people.e 28 Then the nations will know that I the LORD sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is among them forever.’ ”
8 After a long time you will be summoned. In the latter years you will enter a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and all now dwell securely. 9 You and all your troops, and many peoples with you will go up, advancing like a thunderstorm; you will be like a cloud covering the land.
After the 6th Trumpet war, people are gathered but 'don't repent' of their idols, etc. Then they are 'living securely' after the 390 days (however long it is) until the end of the 2 witnesses 1260 days.
The 'great EQ' of Revelation 11:13
13And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand were killed in the quake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.
seems to correlate to Ezek 3814 Therefore prophesy, son of man, and tell Gog that this is what the Lord GOD says: On that day when My people Israel are dwelling securely, will you not take notice of this? 15 And you will come from your place out of the far north—you and many peoples with you, all riding horses—a mighty horde, a huge army. 16 You will advance against My people Israel like a cloud covering the land. It will happen in the latter days, O Gog, that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me when I show Myself holy in you before their eyes.
18 Now on that day when Gog comes against the land of Israel, declares the Lord GOD, My wrath will flare up. 19 In My zeal and fiery rage I proclaim that on that day there will be a great earthquake in the land of Israel.
18 Now on that day when Gog comes against the land of Israel, declares the Lord GOD, My wrath will flare up. 19 In My zeal and fiery rage I proclaim that on that day there will be a great earthquake in the land of Israel.
So in Dan 11, you have the 'news from the north & east' disturbs him: 'North' is a reference to Gog or Megiddo, & kings of the east / east of the Euphrates = east.
The locusts of the 5th Trumpet are the same locusts of Joel who come from the north, the 'northern horde' of Joel 2:20. The 'east' is the army from the Euphrates in the 6th Trumpet & 6th Bowl war.
Put another way, there is a 'north' component (at the 5th Trumpet) then an 'east' component (at the 6th Trumpet) (he is 'planting his tabernacle' of Dan 11:45 = time of the 2 witnesses with some sort of physical temple(?). Then at the end of the 2 witnesses 1260 days, another 'north' element (Gog) & 'east' element (the 6th Bowl war's Euphrates).
The 7th Bowl is the fulfillment of the end of the 70 weeks prophecy which lands on 24 Kislev at the 69th week. This EQ at the 7th Bowl is the fulfillment of Haggai 2:18-23 on 24 Kislev.
The Gog war takes 7 months to clear and cleanse the land (Ezekiel 39:11-12) which would take us to 24 Kislev.
To illustrate, it seems to be the case that:
- the Trumpets will begin July 4, 2021 (24 Tammuz, 5781)
(July 4, 2021 breaks the covenant in the middle of 70 '7's : 490/2 = 245 years. The US Declaration of Independence covenant of July 4, 1776 + 245 = July 4, 2021.)
- The 5th Trumpet lasts 5 months (Revelation 9:5) and 5 months later is 24 Kislev, 5782 (dusk Nov 27, 2021). Add 1260 days for the 2 witnesses to get to dusk May 10, 2025, then add 3.5 days to lie dead (Revelation 11:9-11) takes us to May 14, 2025, the 77th anniversary of the creation of Israel. Thus dusk Nov 27, 2021 is the 'middle of the 7 years' from the 70th year of Jerusalem's desolations (Daniel 9:2) and the 77th year to fulfill Daniel 9:27. Add the 7 months to get to 24 Kislev on Dec 14, 2025.
When we add 1150 days (Daniel 8:13-14's 2300 'evenings & mornings') from 24 Kislev, 5782 (dusk Nov 27, 2021) we get to January 20th, 2025, which is the US Presidential Inauguration Day.
In Matt 24
15“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, 18and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. 19And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days!
20Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath.
21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
[July 4, 2021] (24 Tammuz, 5781) Trumpets 1-5
16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, 18and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. 19And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days!
20Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath.
[dusk Nov 27, 2021] (24 Kislev, 5782) 6th Trumpet
21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
The abomination would be the start of the Trumpets (July 4, 2021) & the 6th Trumpet would be the 'winter Sabbath' then 'great tribulation' (ie 24 Kislev, the anniversary of the original abomination).
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