Trumpet 6 seems to have a very strong correlation to bowl 6. Both involve something happening at the river Euphrates, and both involve large amounts of troops and war. Yet, the trumpet involves cavalry that seem to be either demons or demonically inspired.
Are we seeing one battle or one war between these two judgments? Perhaps Trumpet 6 is the initial conflict that leads to Armageddon (bowl 6). Otherwise maybe they are the same exact march/battle across the Euphrates into the plain of Armageddon.
So if you believe they are not the same, how do you explain the similarities? Also, how do you explain that both the 7th bowl and seventh trumpet seem to indicate the return of the Lord?
If you believe that they are the same, do you then believe the trumpets and bowls overlap? If so, how do you explain the fact that the bowls seem to be an increased intensity compared with the trumpets?
PS: If Daniel 11:45 refers to the antichrist, how is he slain to the west of Jerusalem if the battle of Armageddon occurs to the northeast and if his forces come from the northeast?
The 6th Trumpet war is the symbolic & literal siege of 'Jerusalem' and is different than the 6th Bowl war/ Armageddon. (Seals, then Trumpets, then Bowls in sequential order, not concurrent or overlapping.)
The 6th Trumpet war is concurrent with the 2 witnesses 1260 days (it is not as long as 1260 days, it could be 'a year, a day, a month, an hour') (resembling the 390 days of Ezekiel 4's siege of Jerusalem). So, if it is 390 days, it is the first 390 days of the 2 witnesses 1260 days. That's why
Rev 9
20 Now the rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the works of their hands. They did not stop worshiping demons and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk.
After the war is over, they 'don't repent' even though the 2 witnesses are calling them to repent for the days that are post- day 390.
The 6th Trumpet war is the war that 'Israel' has '
recovered from'
Ezek 37
21 you are to tell them that this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘I will take the Israelites out of the nations to which they have gone, and
I will gather them from all around and bring them into their own land.
22 I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel, and one king will rule over all of them. Then they will no longer be two nations and will never again be divided into two kingdoms.
23 They will no longer defile themselves with their idols or detestable images, or with any of their transgressions. I will save them from all their apostasies by which they sinned, and I will cleanse them. Then they will be My people, and I will be their God.
24 My servant David will be king over them, and there will be one shepherd for all of them. They will follow My ordinances and keep and observe My statutes.
25 They will live in the land that I gave to My servant Jacob, where your fathers lived. They will live there forever with their children and grandchildren, and My servant David will be their prince forever.
26 And I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary among them forever.
27 My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be My people.
e 28 Then the nations will know that I the LORD sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is among them forever.’ ”
Ezek 38
8 After a long time you will be summoned. In the latter years
you will enter a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations,
and all now dwell securely. 9 You and all your troops, and many peoples with you will go up, advancing like a thunderstorm; you will be like a cloud covering the land.
After the 6th Trumpet war, people are gathered but 'don't repent' of their idols, etc. Then they are 'living securely' after the 390 days (however long it is) until the end of the 2 witnesses 1260 days.
The 'great EQ' of Revelation 11:13
13And in that hour there was
a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand were killed in the quake, and
the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.
seems to correlate to Ezek 38
14 Therefore prophesy, son of man, and tell Gog that this is what the Lord GOD says: On that day when My people Israel are dwelling securely, will you not take notice of this?
15 And you will come from your place out of
the far north—you and many peoples with you, all riding horses—a mighty horde, a huge army.
16 You will advance against My people Israel like a cloud covering the land. It will happen in the latter days, O Gog, that I will bring you against My land,
so that the nations may know Me when I show Myself holy in you before their eyes.
18 Now on that day
when Gog comes against the land of Israel, declares the Lord GOD, My wrath will flare up.
19 In My zeal and fiery rage I proclaim that on that day
there will be a great earthquake in the land of Israel.
So in Dan 11, you have the 'news from the north & east' disturbs him: 'North' is a reference to Gog or Megiddo, & kings of the east / east of the Euphrates = east.
The locusts of the 5th Trumpet are the same locusts of Joel who come from the north, the 'northern horde' of Joel 2:20. The 'east' is the army from the Euphrates in the 6th Trumpet & 6th Bowl war.
Put another way, there is a 'north' component (at the 5th Trumpet) then an 'east' component (at the 6th Trumpet) (he is 'planting his tabernacle' of Dan 11:45 = time of the 2 witnesses with some sort of physical temple(?). Then at the end of the 2 witnesses 1260 days, another 'north' element (Gog) & 'east' element (the 6th Bowl war's Euphrates).
Also, how do you explain that both the 7th bowl and seventh trumpet seem to indicate the return of the Lord?
The 7th Bowl is the fulfillment of the end of the 70 weeks prophecy which lands on 24 Kislev at the 69th week. This EQ at the 7th Bowl is the fulfillment of Haggai 2:18-23 on 24 Kislev.
The Gog war takes 7 months to clear and cleanse the land (Ezekiel 39:11-12) which would take us to 24 Kislev.
To illustrate, it seems to be the case that:
- the Trumpets will begin July 4, 2021 (24 Tammuz, 5781)
(July 4, 2021 breaks the covenant in the middle of 70 '7's : 490/2 = 245 years. The US Declaration of Independence covenant of July 4, 1776 + 245 = July 4, 2021.)
- The 5th Trumpet lasts 5 months (Revelation 9:5) and 5 months later is 24 Kislev, 5782 (dusk Nov 27, 2021). Add 1260 days for the 2 witnesses to get to dusk May 10, 2025, then add 3.5 days to lie dead (Revelation 11:9-11) takes us to May 14, 2025, the 77th anniversary of the creation of Israel. Thus dusk Nov 27, 2021 is the 'middle of the 7 years' from the 70th year of Jerusalem's desolations (Daniel 9:2) and the 77th year to fulfill Daniel 9:27. Add the 7 months to get to 24 Kislev on Dec 14, 2025.
When we add 1150 days (Daniel 8:13-14's 2300 'evenings & mornings') from 24 Kislev, 5782 (dusk Nov 27, 2021) we get to January 20th, 2025, which is the US Presidential Inauguration Day.
In Matt 24
15“So when you see
the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
[July 4, 2021] (24 Tammuz, 5781) Trumpets 1-5
16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
17Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house,
18and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak.
19And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days!
20Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath.
[dusk Nov 27, 2021] (24 Kislev, 5782) 6th Trumpet
21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.
22And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.
23Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
24For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
The abomination would be the start of the Trumpets (July 4, 2021) & the 6th Trumpet would be the 'winter Sabbath' then 'great tribulation' (ie 24 Kislev, the anniversary of the original abomination).