Is Paying Tithes Worth It?

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I do not give any money to pastors, but I do give money to causes that help Gods persecuted church.

When Pastors can deliver a church that resembles the kind described in the book of acts, I will happily lay all my wealth down to be used at leaders discretion. Until then, I see no reason to hold myself to standard if the church leaders fall short on their part.
 
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Paying tithes is the way that the Levities are to be supported by the other tribes of Israel. However, since the destruction of the temple in 70 AD, This system of support for the priestly tribe no longer operates.

Christians are told to to give according to their own individual decisions

2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Manipulative Christian leaders who demand 10% from their members are either ignorant or willfully greedy.
 
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I do not give any money to pastors, but I do give money to causes that help Gods persecuted church.

When Pastors can deliver a church that resembles the kind described in the book of acts, I will happily lay all my wealth down to be used at leaders discretion. Until then, I see no reason to hold myself to standard if the church leaders fall short on their part.

Back in the early 90s, Calvary Chapel of Honolulu under Bill Stonebraker's pastorage had that intention and came very close.
 
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Those things were done during tithing times plus they tithed. I can't understand why anyone would want to keep anything from God. Consider the source and then deny God.

That is a common strawman argument. Nobody in this thread is advocating keeping their money from God or denying God.
 
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I tithe. [and give offerings] I did so once I graduated college and began to earn an income. Why do I tithe? Well, that's between God and me. Whether others do or not is between themselves and God.

No one should be telling you TO tithe or convincing you NOT to tithe. It's not their circus. Not their monkeys. This is between you and God.

The church that I attend takes all offerings and tithes and the church membership decides how the monies are spent. These monies are not "given to the pastor". The finance committee works on an annual budget and the church membership votes on it sometimes tweaking it sometimes not.

Our church could not keep the lights on, pay the pastor, give to world hunger, conduct Vacation Bible School, buy Sunday School literature, give to local women's shelters, send missionaries around the world or ALL the things we do if people did not give tithes or offerings or donations or donate their time and energy.

Whether you tithe or not is your business and I don't think strangers on the internet are the people to ask.

The person to have this discussion with is God. This is a spiritual matter that is private and what we say to you is not relevant to your decision.
 
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I used to pay tithes out of my net income since that's what I really earn but then a man preached that it should be the gross income tithe rather than the net income so I mulled it over, thought about the amount the state takes out in taxes, and began to tithe gross rather than net.
Yes, the state gets its cut . . . its percentage . . . of what you have earned. And I would say, likewise, the tithe is of what you have earned . . . not of leftovers after the state has collected something.

After all, you did earn what the state took. So, that is included in your earning total.

But this does not prove that the New Testament requires tithing. So . . . one thing I feed on is what God's word says the tithes are to be used for >

Deuteronomy 12:15-19 > To me, this appears to say that the tithe must not be eaten where you live, but where God directs, and it is shared with others, including "the Levite". A tithe in those days was from agriculture, what could be eaten. It was not money. And apparently the person with the tithe would be one of the ones who would eat it . . . where God directed.

Deuteronomy 14:22-27 > Apparently there was a tithe of the harvest, and this was taken to where God directed, and the tither oneself ate this food, along with "the Levite". And the LORD wanted them to rejoice while they did this. So, there is rejoicing and sharing included in Biblical tithing, I see from this. And the tithed harvest food could be sold and money could be carried to the location directed by the LORD, and there the tither could use the money to buy "whatever" (Deuteronomy 14:26) the tither desired to eat and drink.

Deuteronomy 14:28-29 > every third year, the tithe was stored so "the Levite", "widow", "stranger", and "fatherless" could eat and be "satisfied". And it is commonly understood that in the time of the Jews in their promised land, there were people like the Levites who had no land for farming and raising livestock; so the tithe of those farmers was used to feed people who had no land for growing food > including the Levites and widows who had no land, and strangers which I see could mean people from even other countries, plus orphans who had no father who had left them land. And such needy people were welcome to eat the stored tithe food so they were "satisfied".

Now I understand that what you do to a child of God, you are doing to God Himself . . . right? Didn't Jesus say that what we do to the least of His brethren we are doing to Him?? So, if you rob a widow, for example, of what the tithe is supposed to provide for her, you are robbing God. And this means to provide so God's needy widows are "satisfied". So, if God's widows were being robbed of what they were supposed to get from the stored tithes, this in my understanding is what could be meant where it says people were robbing God "in tithes and offerings" > Malachi 3:8-10.

So, then, I can see how some number of tithers are not prospering because their tithed money is not being used to satisfy Jesus Christ's needy people. And remember that the tithe was used to get food for the tither . . . at the gathering place where the LORD directed > where there was joy and sharing of the tithe food with others, so . . . I understand . . . they could share as God's family.

So, if your tithing is with resentment or fear or doubt and worrying about yourself . . . this is not how God's word says to tithe and what it is for. If the ten percent of people's income is mainly used for paying building bills and expenses and gas bills for transportation of people for church events, then the tithing system could be a way of robbing God.

Free-will offerings in addition to the tithe were used for other things. But it seems clear to me, now, how the tithe was for caring for God's building who is His people.

So, if your tithe is used to satisfy needy people, and to provide for you to eat and share with other children of God at special gatherings, yes this tithing is worthwhile :)
 
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Yes, the state gets its cut . . . its percentage . . . of what you have earned. And I would say, likewise, the tithe is of what you have earned . . . not of leftovers after the state has collected something.

But the tithe was never, ever based on what was "earned," but what was "received." For instance:

Every tithe of the herd and flock--every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd's rod--will be holy to the LORD.

Maybe there had been some animals that had been pregnant, but lost their calves. Were those lost calves counted for tithes? Or if rustlers came in the week before and robbed him of animals, did he tithe from what he had before? No. What was counted was what the shepherd actually had.

And notice: It was not the first animal that was taken for the tithe, it was the tenth animal...the last tenth, not the first. If the farmer was so poor as to have only nine animals...he did not tithe an animal at all.
 
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Thank you all for your thoughtful responses and for sharing your life experiences with me. I give a lot to my church in terms of money, resources, and time, and yet I still feel guilty and like I'm not giving enough. Yet, I am realizing that I am also part of the church and the church is not just the "church". My needs matter too. I am trying to balance things out, especially as life is getting more expensive. The state I live in takes out too much money in taxes during the year and then at income tax time they take even more. It's hard to keep up. I will have to think about what is best for me to do.
 
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Hi,
I've always paid tithes as a matter of Biblical principle that I've been taught growing up in church.
But the financial struggle is real, and life is expensive. The word of God says that if we honor Him with our finances then He would open the heavens of blessings for us but I'm struggling and have been for a long time. What do I do? I'm not discrediting the blessings that God has given me, I'm grateful for them, I'm just struggling.
I'm not so sure the principle taught by church relies on the Bible, not on Jesus' word at least:
"Cure the sick, bring the dead back to life, cleanse those with skin diseases, and force demons out of people. Give these things without charging, since you received them without paying. Don’t take any gold, silver, or even copper coins in your pockets. Don’t take a traveling bag for the trip, a change of clothes, sandals, or a walking stick. After all, the worker deserves to have his needs met. When you go into a city or village, look for people who will listen to you there. Stay with them until you leave that place." (Matthew 10:8-11)
According to these instructions Jesus gave to his disciples, Church should not make it seem like you have to pay tithes... especially if you're struggling. If you think about it, only a wealthy person could lodge Jesus and his disciples when they were traveling. Even providing shelter, food and clothing to a single disciple wasn't possible for poor people. It is therefore my understanding of Jesus' instructions that no one should feel any pressure to deprive oneself to support Church.
 
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If we do not tithe to ministries there will be many people who will not see God
We as individuals will never have the reach that churches have.
No matter how much the need there are some people who will find an excuse not to give to God. I say give it up and let them answer to God
 
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If we do not tithe to ministries there will be many people who will not see God
We as individuals will never have the reach that churches have.
No matter how much the need there are some people who will find an excuse not to give to God. I say give it up and let them answer to God
Feed my sheep. Support those whose primary obective is that.
 
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If we do not tithe to ministries there will be many people who will not see God
We as individuals will never have the reach that churches have.
No matter how much the need there are some people who will find an excuse not to give to God. I say give it up and let them answer to God

Strawman argument. Nobody in this thread is arguing that we should not be giving to the Body of Christ.
 
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