What do you believe about January 6th?

Did Trump supporters violently take over the capitol on January 6th.

  • Yes.

    Votes: 76 75.2%
  • No.

    Votes: 25 24.8%

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There is no statute of limitations on that charge
Right and when President Trump regains the White House, I’m sure he’ll see that the DOJ “reinvestigates” all such cases to make doubly certain that they didn’t miss anything the first time around!
 
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Nope. Single shot center of mass. He drew a line in the sand and she crossed it. His job was defend elected members of congress and he executed that job well.
Did he, I would be willing to bet that his department, just like every other department requires the use of force is limited to only the amount required. Killing someone who is not an armed threat would not conform to that requirement.
 
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Right and when President Trump regains the White House, I’m sure he’ll see that the DOJ “reinvestigates” all such cases to make doubly certain that they didn’t miss anything the first time around!
I doubt it, he is going to be far to busy for that, he will have to fix all the disasters that he inherits first.
 
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Did he, I would be willing to bet that his department, just like every other department requires the use of force is limited to only the amount required. Killing someone who is not an armed threat would not conform to that requirement.

Unless one considers the mob itself to be a weapon... superior numbers combined with inferior self-control is always a recipe for trouble.

There's no denying that a dozen people can easily beat a police officer to death with their bare hands.
 
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But already, the truth is slipping away.
The truth isn't slipping away. People know that Trump and his supporters tried to overthrow the government. The people trying to deny it being being bad. Is in support of the government being illegally overthrow. So Trump can be the president.
 
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Did he, I would be willing to bet that his department, just like every other department requires the use of force is limited to only the amount required. Killing someone who is not an armed threat would not conform to that requirement.
It would when they are the head of a violent mob and you are the last line between them and congress. She didn't just approach them, she climbed through a smashed window that the mob had busted open. Babbitt worked with security, she should have known there was a line you can't cross. But then again, she didn't seem to care much about duty and honor.
 
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It would when they are the head of a violent mob and you are the last line between them and congress. She didn't just approach them, she climbed through a smashed window that the mob had busted open. Babbitt worked with security, she should have known there was a line you can't cross. But then again, she didn't seem to care much about duty and honor.

I think that we should just leave the legal issues to DOJ. Hundreds will go to jail; some the leaders will go to jail for decades.

BTW, prosecuting Trump is a waste of time. His statements weren't much different from hundreds of other situations in the last 5 years. Of course, his actions will be used in campaign videos in 2022 and 2024.

There are much better opportunities to prosecute Trump. As far as DOJ prosecutions, Obstruction Of Justice is the most obvious.
 
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Unless one considers the mob itself to be a weapon... superior numbers combined with inferior self-control is always a recipe for trouble.

There's no denying that a dozen people can easily beat a police officer to death with their bare hands.
OK so based on that logic it would be ok to just shoot randomly at a group of protestors who are trespassing on government property. Obviously that would be nothing but murder, just as this case in nothing but a murder.
 
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It would when they are the head of a violent mob and you are the last line between them and congress. She didn't just approach them, she climbed through a smashed window that the mob had busted open. Babbitt worked with security, she should have known there was a line you can't cross. But then again, she didn't seem to care much about duty and honor.
Speaking ill of the dead is something that most people find objectionable, I am one of those people. Now regarding the actions of the officer, he had no, I say again no, justification to kill her. Trying to blame the Victim for her own death is foolish. The officer had several options of action that did not involve the uses of deadly force.
 
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Speaking ill of the dead is something that most people find objectionable, I am one of those people. Now regarding the actions of the officer, he had no, I say again no, justification to kill her. Trying to blame the Victim for her own death is foolish. The officer had several options of action that did not involve the uses of deadly force.
And they took those, and the mob pressed forward. Babbitt is entirely to blame for what happened to her, you don't charge through a barrier with an armed policeman with his weapon drawn and aimed, telling you to stop. He did not have any other realistic methods. The results clearly show that. The mob was stopped dead in their tracks, something that no amount of barrier, doors, and riot geared cops managed to do. It gave them enough pause for heavily armed reinforcements to arrive and let these traitors know that this wasn't a game, and it was time to go home.
 
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And they took those, and the mob pressed forward. Babbitt is entirely to blame for what happened to her, you don't charge through a barrier with an armed policeman with his weapon drawn and aimed, telling you to stop. He did not have any other realistic methods. The results clearly show that. The mob was stopped dead in their tracks, something that no amount of barrier, doors, and riot geared cops managed to do. It gave them enough pause for heavily armed reinforcements to arrive and let these traitors know that this wasn't a game, and it was time to go home.
Wow a totally new method of crowd control, maybe it will catch on, no doubt it would limit the number of riots. It is simple, inexpensive, and very effective as has been proven in many dictatorships.
 
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BTW, prosecuting Trump is a waste of time. His statements weren't much different from hundreds of other situations in the last 5 years. Of course, his actions will be used in campaign videos in 2022 and 2024.

You're assuming his actions will hurt his future candidacy. I see a campaign slogan of "This time, do it right."

There are much better opportunities to prosecute Trump. As far as DOJ prosecutions, Obstruction Of Justice is the most obvious.

...or we just let the New York AG have his hide.
 
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OK so based on that logic it would be ok to just shoot randomly at a group of protestors who are trespassing on government property. Obviously that would be nothing but murder, just as this case in nothing but a murder.

Actually, that would be the previous administration's policy for dealing with protesters: "When the looting starts the shooting starts." And since that administration was still in charge on January 6, based on that logic, the officer is a hero.
Fortunately, we have a new administration which has a new policy.

Meanwhile, it's nice to know that if you are ever charged at by an angry mob, you'll keep your service weapon in your holster. They will appreciate it when they take it off your unconscious/dead body.
 
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We are now up to 10 people on this forum who do not believe Trump supporters violently took over the capitol on January 6th. Almost 20%. I am stunned. I thought there might be a few, but this like flat Earth stuff.

I didn't vote, but given the options in the poll, i might answer "No" on "Did Trump supporters violently take over the capitol on January 6th?"

If the question were "Did Trump supporters violently storm the capitol on January 6th?", it would be a no brainer. I don't believe they assumed full control of the capitol, so "took over" doesn't seem like an accurate descriptor of the event.
 
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The U.S. Capitol building was not secure for several hours on January 6th. That is a fact.

"Not secure" doesn't equate to "being taken over".

Under assault? Sure. Violently stormed. No question. Taken over? Not from any summary i've read about the event.
 
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Actually, that would be the previous administration's policy for dealing with protesters: "When the looting starts the shooting starts." And since that administration was still in charge on January 6, based on that logic, the officer is a hero.
Fortunately, we have a new administration which has a new policy.
First of all no protestors were killed by the Trump administration in any event other than this one. Next you are changing the circumstances again, the crowd did not charge anyone, next I do not need and never have had to use a firearm to take control of any unruly unarmed person, I do not know of anyone who has other than the officer in this case.

Meanwhile, it's nice to know that if you are ever charged at by an angry mob, you'll keep your service weapon in your holster. They will appreciate it when they take it off your unconscious/dead body.
 
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