The Law of God vs the Law of Moses

BABerean2 · May 26, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
and I do read my Bible, which is why I know what day is God's holy day. Exodus 20:8-11

Have you ever read verse 3 below? What does this verse say?

Deu 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
Deu 5:4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
Deu 5:5 (I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the word of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount

saying,
Deu 5:6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deu 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
Deu 5:8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
Deu 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
Deu 5:10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
Deu 5:11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
Deu 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
Deu 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
Deu 5:16 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Deu 5:17 Thou shalt not kill.
Deu 5:18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
Deu 5:19 Neither shalt thou steal.
Deu 5:20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Deu 5:21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Deu 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

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LoveGodsWord · May 26, 2021

BABerean2 said:
I never claimed any such thing.

I never said Christ was a sinner.

Christ was a high priest. The priests were able to work on the Sabbath day.

If you claim I have said things I have clearly not said, are you guilty of breaking one of the ten commandments?

Deu 5:20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour..

As posted earlier, doing God's work is not the same as doing our own work. Please read Gods' 4th commandment from the 10 commandments in Exodus 20:8-11. Doing God's work is doing good on the Sabbath where Jesus says it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath day in Matthew 12:1-12. If Jesus did his own secular work on the Sabbath then he would have broken Gods' law making Him a sinner. Your claims here that Jesus is a sinner therefore is not biblical as the scriptures teach that Jesus was without sin and sinless (Hebrews 4:15; 2 Corinthians 5:21). Doing God's work therefore is doing good on the Sabbath which shows your interpretation of the scriptures you provide above is not biblical. Jesus was the lamb of God before he became our great high Priest. It seems you do not understand the covenants. How can you be a Priest without a sacrifice?

Hope this is helpful

BABerean2 · May 26, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Your claims here that Jesus is a sinner therefore is not biblical as the scriptures teach that Jesus was without sin and sinless (Hebrews 4:15; 2 Corinthians 5:21).

Since I have never claimed Jesus was a sinner, are you now breaking the 9th commandment?

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LoveGodsWord · May 26, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Since I have never claimed Jesus was a sinner, are you now breaking the 9th commandment?

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No I am telling you the truth, but you do not believe me. Your claiming Jesus broke the Sabbath which is one of Gods 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20. If Jesus was not a high Priest at this time while he was living on earth then according to your claims that Jesus broke the Sabbath then he was a sinner according to your teachings. Tell me if Jesus was the lamb of God on earth *John 1:29: 36; Hebrews 10:10 before he became our great high Priest in Heaven *Hebrews 7:1-25, how can there be a High Priest before a sacrifice when he was not ministering on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary when there was no sacrifice *Hebrews 8:1-6?

LoveGodsWord · May 26, 2021

JLB777 said:
The law of Moses was abolished in Hs flesh, having been nailed to the cross and taken out of the way. The law of Christ is eternal.
JLB

Goodness another one that believes in the false teachings of lawlessness opposing the very Words of Jesus in Matthew 5:17-19 and the teachings of the bible. This false teaching pretty much disagrees with all the bible and the new covenant scriptures shown here and here.

LoveGodsWord · May 26, 2021

JLB777 said:
Make sure you read this Sabbath Commandments as well if you plan on keeping the Sabbath according to the law of Moses.

Good advice we can all take. Thank you but I do this already.

JLB777 said:
Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’ ” So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.” Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” So the people rested on the seventh day. Exodus 16:23-30

Perhaps you should take your own advice here? Your leaving out the scripture context which is talking about collecting manna on the Sabbath not staying at home on the Sabbath. Here you go...

Exodus 16:4-5 [4], Then said the LORD to Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.[5], And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.

JLB777 said:
And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:12-15 Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, “These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”Exodus 35:1-3
Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died. Numbers 15:32-36

We are in the New Covenant now. Nearly all God's 10 commandments under the Old Covenant had the death penalty attached to them under the CIVIL laws of ISRAEL if they were broken not just God's 4th commandment *Deuteronomy 13:6-18; 1 Samuel 26:19; Deuteronomy 13:1-10; 17:2-5; 27:15; Deuteronomy 7:25-26; Leviticus 24:10-17; Exodus 31:14-15; 35:2; Leviticus 20:9; Deuteronomy 21:18-21; Exodus 21:17; Exodus 21:12-14; Leviticus 20; John 8:5; Exodus 21:16; Deuteronomy 19:15-21. That was to teach God's people the wages of SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) is death as it does in the New Covenant *Romans 6:23 although JESUS says vengence is mine at his 2nd coming *Romans 12:17-19; Revelation 22:12.

According to God's Word, all those who continue in known unrepentant sin will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven *Hebrews 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *Romans 6:23. Obedience to God's Law is not how we are saved it is the fruit of God's work in us as we believe and follow his word. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *Ephesians 2:8. We are all sick with sin and need a Physician *Matthew 9:12-13. JESUS says arise take up your bed and walk. I believe him. How about you?

God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20. God's WORD says if we break ANY ONE of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *James 2:10-11. If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

God's people are in every church *JOHN 10:16 and He knows that many break this commandment out of IGNORANCE because what they have been taught in the Churches they may be in. JESUS says that the hour is coming and NOW is that he will call his people out from following the teachings and tradtions of men to worship God in Spirit and in truth according to his WORD *JOHN 4:23-24

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9) There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God? In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

JLB777 said:
‘And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Numbers 28:9-10 These all pertain to the 4th Commandment.

We are in the new covenant now Jesus is Gods' sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all (Hebrews 10:10; John 1:29: 36). In the old covenant animal sacrifices for sin offerings were every day of the week (Exodus 29:38-42; Numbers 28:3-8) not just on the Sabbath.

Lets be careful not to ignore God's Word.

BABerean2 · May 26, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Your claiming Jesus broke the Sabbath which is one of Gods 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20.

No, it was the Pharisees who claimed Jesus broke the Sabbath day.

I never said Christ was a sinner.

Jesus Christ was a High priest when His Father pronounced Him as the Son of God, at His baptism.

Heb_5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

Do you value the 9th commandment just as important as the 4th commandment?

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LoveGodsWord · May 26, 2021

BABerean2 said:
No, it was the Pharisees who claimed Jesus broke the Sabbath day.

Agreed the point being of my last posts to you that Jesus never broke the Sabbath he taught it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath *Matthew 12:1-12 as he is the Lord and creator of it *Mark 2:27-28; John 1:1-4.

BABerean2 said:
I never said Christ was a sinner.

True but your teachings do. Your just repeating yourself without answering my questions to you showing you do not understand the old covenant or the new covenant. I asked you earlier some questions to help demonstrate this and help correct your understanding of the Priesthood your response as usual here is to ignore these questions only asked as a help to you and repeat yourself.

BABerean2 said:
Jesus Christ was a High priest when His Father pronounced Him as the Son of God, at His baptism. Heb_5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

The is one of your mistakes in not understanding the old and new covenants and the role of sin offerings and the Priesthood of the old covenant and the new. On earth Jesus was God's lamb and sacrifice for the sins of the world *Hebrews 10:10; John 1:29; 36 not our Great high Priest ministering on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man *Hebrews 8:1-6. Jesus did not become our great High Priest until after His death and resurrection as God's sacrifice for the sins of the world *John 1:29; 36. After His death as the sacrificial lamb of God and resurrection Jesus entered into the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man where he now ministers on our behalf as our great High Priest based on the better of the new covenant *Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-6; Hebrews 9:11-12. The role of Jesus on earth is the sacrifice for the sins of the world once for all (Hebrews 10:10). The role of Jesus after His death and resurrection is our great High Priest who ministers on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary *Hebrews 7:1-25: Hebrews 8:1-6. Jesus could not be our High Priest on earth until he offered himself for the sins of the world once and for all. This is where your mistake is here.

BABerean2 said:
Do you value the 9th commandment just as important as the 4th commandment?.

Absolutely! I tell you the truth in love and only as a help to you, but it seems you do not believe me. Now what is it that you disagree with and why? (scripture please).

BABerean2 · May 27, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Agreed the point being of my last posts to you that Jesus never broke the Sabbath he taught it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath *Matthew 12:1-12 as he is the Lord and creator of it *Mark 2:27-28; John 1:1-4.

True but your teachings do. Your just repeating yourself without answering my questions to you showing you do not understand the old covenant or the new covenant. I asked you earlier some questions to help demonstrate this and help correct your understanding of the Priesthood your response as usual here is to ignore these questions only asked as a help to you and repeat yourself.

The is one of your mistakes in not understanding the old and new covenants and the role of sin offerings and the Priesthood of the old covenant and the new. On earth Jesus was God's lamb and sacrifice for the sins of the world *Hebrews 10:10; John 1:29; 36 not our Great high Priest. Jesus did not become our great High Priest until after His death and resurrection as God's sacrifice for the sins of the world. After His death as the sacrificial lamb of God and resurrection Jesus entered into the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man where he now ministers on our behalf as our great High Proest based on the better of the new covenant *Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-6; Hebrews 9:11-12. The role of Jesus on earth is the sacrifice for the sins of the world once for all (Hebrews 10:10). The role of Jesus after His death and resurrection is our great High Priest who ministers on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary *Hebrews 7:1-25: Hebrews 8:1-6. Jesus could not be our High Priest on heath until he offered himself for the sins of the world. This is where your mistake is here.

Absolutely! I tell you the truth in love and only as a help to you, but it seems you do not believe me. Now what is it that you disagree with and why? (scripture please).

Did you read all of the scriptures that you supplied about Christ being a High Priest?

High Priests are appointed before they offer up a sacrifice.

Christ was a Hight Priest before He died. Read verses 23 and 24 below. Notice the word "continuing".

Notice in verse 3 that this priesthood stands outside of time.

Heb 7:1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,
Heb 7:2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated "king of righteousness," and then also king of Salem, meaning "king of peace,"
Heb 7:3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.
Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils.
Heb 7:5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham;
Heb 7:6 but he whose genealogy is not derived from them received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.
Heb 7:7 Now beyond all contradiction the lesser is blessed by the better.
Heb 7:8 Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.
Heb 7:9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak,
Heb 7:10 for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.

Heb 7:11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
Heb 7:13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.
Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest
Heb 7:16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:17 For He testifies: "YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK."
Heb 7:18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
Heb 7:19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
Heb 7:20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath
Heb 7:21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him: "THE LORD HAS SWORN AND WILL NOT RELENT, 'YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK' "),
Heb 7:22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.
Heb 7:23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing.
Heb 7:24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood.
Heb 7:25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
Heb 7:26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens;
Heb 7:27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people's, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.
Heb 7:28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.

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LoveGodsWord · May 27, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Did you read all of the scriptures that you supplied about Christ being a High Priest?

High Priests are appointed before they offer up a sacrifice.

Christ was a Hight Priest before He died. Read verses 23 and 24 below. Notice the word "continuing".

Notice in verse 3 that this priesthood stands outside of time.

Heb 7:1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,
Heb 7:2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated "king of righteousness," and then also king of Salem, meaning "king of peace,"
Heb 7:3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.
Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils.
Heb 7:5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham;
Heb 7:6 but he whose genealogy is not derived from them received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.
Heb 7:7 Now beyond all contradiction the lesser is blessed by the better.
Heb 7:8 Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.
Heb 7:9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak,
Heb 7:10 for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.

Heb 7:11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
Heb 7:13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.
Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest
Heb 7:16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:17 For He testifies: "YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK."
Heb 7:18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
Heb 7:19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
Heb 7:20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath
Heb 7:21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him: "THE LORD HAS SWORN AND WILL NOT RELENT, 'YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK' "),
Heb 7:22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.
Heb 7:23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing.
Heb 7:24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood.
Heb 7:25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
Heb 7:26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens;
Heb 7:27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people's, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.
Heb 7:28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.

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I do indeed read all the scriptures. It seems you did not though. The work of Jesus as our great High Priest is in the heavenly Sanctuary not the earthly. The earthly Sanctuary is the old covenant which was a pattern of the heavenly Sanctuary and the role of Jesus after His death and resurrection in the new covenant as our great High Priest. The role of Jesus on earth was the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world once for all, not our great High Priest in Heaven. That happened after the death and resurrection of Jesus.

As posted earlier on earth, Jesus was God's lamb and sacrifice for the sins of the world *Hebrews 10:10; John 1:29; 36 not our Great high Priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not men. You do know that the work of the Priest is in the Sanctuary right? Where is the Sanctuary that Jesus ministers as our great high Priest? Is it on the earth or in heaven?

Jesus did not become our great High Priest until after His death and resurrection as God's sacrifice for the sins of the world. After His death as the sacrificial lamb of God and resurrection Jesus entered into the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man where he now ministers on our behalf as our great High Priest based on the better of the new covenant *Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-6; Hebrews 9:11-12. The role of Jesus on earth is the sacrifice for the sins of the world once for all (Hebrews 10:10).

The role of Jesus after His death and resurrection is our great High Priest who ministers on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary *Hebrews 7:1-25: Hebrews 8:1-6. Jesus could not be our High Priest on heath until he offered himself for the sins of the world once for all.

Hebrews 7 was written after Christs death referring to Jesus and the change of the Priesthood laws because he was from the tribe of Judah and not Levi and Jesus role as our great High Priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary under the new covenant.

This is where your mistake is here....

Hebrews 8:1-7
[1], Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
[2], A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
[3], For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: why it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
[4], For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law
[5], Who serve to the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, said he, that you make all things according to the pattern showed to you in the mount.
[6], But now has he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
[7], For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

(See also Hebrews 9:7-24)

Hope this helps.

BABerean2 · May 27, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
I do indeed read all the scriptures. It seems you did not though. The work of Jesus as our great High Priest is in the heavenly Sanctuary not the earthly. The earthly Sanctuary is the old covenant which was a pattern of the heavenly Sanctuary and the role of Jesus after His death and resurrection in the new covenant as our great High Priest. The role of Jesus on earth was the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world once for all, not our great High Priest in Heaven. That happened after the death and resurrection of Jesus.

You are speaking from the doctrines of men, instead of God.

What does Hebrews 7:3 actually say about time?

Hebrews 8:4-5 reveals He would not be a Levitical priest on earth.
Go on to verses 6-13, where Hebrews 8:13 says the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant "obsolete".

Was He a priest for the 40 days He was with His disciples after His sin sacrifice at Calvary, and between the time of His resurrection and His ascension?

Was Christ the Word made flesh in John 1:1,14 before His death?

Was Christ both the Son of man, and the Son of God at the same time before His death?

Was He God in flesh before His death?

Your claim that Christ could only be the Lamb of God and nothing else before His death does not match up to the whole of scripture, or Hebrews 7:3, or the passage below.
His priesthood stands outside of time.

He was a preacher, and a healer, and a deliverer, when He read this passage.

Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

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Who else is a part of the priesthood?

1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

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LoveGodsWord · May 27, 2021

BABerean2 said:
You are speaking from the doctrines of men, instead of God.

Actually no, I quoted you scripture verbatim showing that Jesus was not a high Priest on earth and that His ministration of High Priest did not start until after His death and resurrection in the Heavenly Sanctuary the the Lord pitched and not man showing also that the earthly Sanctuary of the old covenant was only a copy of the Heavenly Sanctuary of the new covenant and the work of Jesus and His ministration as our great High Priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary on our behalf based on better promises.

Did you notice you did not provide a single scripture to support you claims that says Jesus was our great High Priest on earth?

Now let's look at what the scriptures says and let God's Word answer the following questions...

WHAT WAS THE ROLE OF JESUS ON EARTH?

From the prophecies foretelling the work of Christ on the earth...

ISAIAH 53:1-12
[1], Who hath believed our report ? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
[2], For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
[3], He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. [4], Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. [5], But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
[6], All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
[7], He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he opened not his mouth.
[8], He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
[9], And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death;8 because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
[10], Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
[11], He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
[12], Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

From John the Baptist when seeing Jesus...

JOHN 1:29 [29], The next day John sees Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world.

JOHN 1:36 [36], And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

From Philip quoting Isaiah about Jesus to the Ethiopian...

ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 8:29-35
[29], Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
[30], And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet ISAIAH, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
[31], And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
[32], The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
[33], In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
[34], And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
[35], Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

From Peter...

1 PETER 1:18-20
[18], Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
[19], But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
[20], Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you

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CONCLUSION: The role on Jesus on earth was in fulfillment of the scriptures in Isaiah was Gods' sacrificial lamb for the sins of the world once and for all. This is also shown in the Passover sacrifice of the paschal Lamb we have not even discussed here but the Passover sacrificial lamb also points to Jesus as shown by Paul in 1 Corinthians 5:7-8. The role of Jesus therefore on earth besides being our teacher, and God in human form *John 1:1-4; 14 that created all things was to be God's sacrificial lamb for the sins of the world.

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WHEN DID JESUS BEGIN HIS ROLE AS OUR GREAT HIGH PRIEST?

HEBREWS 7:11-27
[11], If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
[12], For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
[13], For he of whom these things are spoken pertains to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
[14], For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.
[15], And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there rises another priest,
[16], Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
[17], For he testifies, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
[18], For there is truly a cancellation of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[19], For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw near to God.
[20], And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
[21], For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said to him, The Lord swore and will not repent, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
[22], By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
[23], And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
[24], But this man, because he continues ever, has an unchangeable priesthood.
[25], Why he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come to God by him, seeing he ever lives to make intercession for them.
[26], For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
[27], Who needs not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Note: Jesus role being foretold here is of the new covenant not the old covenant as shown in Hebrews 7:22 and Hebrews 7:27. It was not until he offered up himself as God's sacrifice for the sins of the world at His death and resurrection and the commencement of the new covenant that Jesus became our great High Priest of the order of Melchizedek.

HEBREWS 8:1-7
[1], Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
[2], A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
[3], For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: why it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
[4], For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law
[5], Who serve to the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, said he, that you make all things according to the pattern showed to you in the mount.
[6], But now has he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
[7], For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Note: Jesus was not a High Priest while on earth as the scriptures say that while he was on earth the old covenant was still in effect and an earthly Sanctuary and Levitical Priesthood.

HEBREWS 9:7-24
[7], But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
[8], The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
[9], Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
[10], Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
[11], But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
[12], Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
[13], For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies to the purifying of the flesh:
[14], How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
[15], And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
[16], For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[17], For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator lives.
[18], Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
[19], For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
[20], Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God has enjoined to you.
[21], Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
[22], And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
[23], It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
[24], For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

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OVERALL CONCLUSION: Jesus did not start his role as our great High Priest until after His death and resurrection at the commencement of the new covenant in the Heavenly Sanctuary not the earthly. The scriptures say that Jesus was not a High Priest when he was on the earth when the old covenant was in effect. Jesus is our great high Priest ministering on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary not the earthly that the Lord pitched and not man and his ministration did not happen until after his death and resurrection in the new covenant. While on earth Jesus took the role according to the scriptures as Gods' perfect sacrifice for the sins of the world

Now what is it that you do not believe?

BABerean2 · May 27, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
The scriptures say that Jesus was not a High Priest when he was on the earth when the old covenant was in effect.

The scriptures say Christ was not a priest of the Old Covenant system, while the Old Covenant was still in effect.

Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

You never did explain the time factor in the passage above.
What does verse three say about the priesthood of Melchisedec?
Why not explain this verse?

If He was not any kind of priest until He ascended into heaven, how could He be "Lord of the Sabbath" before then?

How could He be "Lord" of anything, if He was only the Lamb of God?

Mat_12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

How could He work legally on the Sabbath day in John 5:1-17, if He was only the Lamb of God?
Matthew 12:8 says He was "Lord" of the Sabbath, instead of lamb of the Sabbath.

How can Christians now be priests in 1 Peter 2:4-10?

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LoveGodsWord · May 27, 2021

BABerean2 said:
The scriptures say Christ was not a priest of the Old Covenant system, while the Old Covenant was still in effect.

Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

You never did explain the time factor in the passage above.
What does verse three say about the priesthood of Melchisedec?
Why not explain this verse?

If He was not any kind of priest until He ascended into heaven, how could He be "Lord of the Sabbath" before then?

How could He be "Lord" of anything, if He was only the Lamb of God?

Mat_12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

How could He work legally on the Sabbath day in John 5:1-17, if He was only the Lamb of God?
Matthew 12:8 says He was "Lord" of the Sabbath, instead of lamb of the Sabbath.

How can Christians now be priests in 1 Peter 2:4-10?.

So your response is to micro-quote me and ignore all the scriptures provided in the post you are quoting from that are Gods' Word not my words showing that Jesus was not a practicing High Priest while on earth under the old covenant from post # 72 linked? Now what scripture have you provided anywhere that says Jesus was our great high Priest on earth? - Not a single scripture. Anyhow all good. Of course you are free to believe what you wish. I have posted the scriptures for everyone else to see.

klutedavid · May 27, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
OVERALL CONCLUSION: Jesus did not start his role as our great High Priest until after His death and resurrection at the commencement of the new covenant in the Heavenly Sanctuary not the earthly. The scriptures say that Jesus was not a High Priest when he was on the earth when the old covenant was in effect.

Jesus was the Lord of the Sabbath before He was crucified.

Who do you think the priest Melchizedek was?

Remember Abraham tithed to Melchizedek, Abraham tithed to someone greater.

klutedavid · May 27, 2021

BABerean2 said:
The scriptures say Christ was not a priest of the Old Covenant system, while the Old Covenant was still in effect.

Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

You never did explain the time factor in the passage above.
What does verse three say about the priesthood of Melchisedec?
Why not explain this verse?

If He was not any kind of priest until He ascended into heaven, how could He be "Lord of the Sabbath" before then?

How could He be "Lord" of anything, if He was only the Lamb of God?

Mat_12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

How could He work legally on the Sabbath day in John 5:1-17, if He was only the Lamb of God?
Matthew 12:8 says He was "Lord" of the Sabbath, instead of lamb of the Sabbath.

How can Christians now be priests in 1 Peter 2:4-10?

.

Some how we both quoted the idea, Jesus was the Lord of the Sabbath. Spooky.

LoveGodsWord · May 27, 2021

klutedavid said:
Jesus was the Lord of the Sabbath before He was crucified.

Who do you think the priest Melchizedek was?

Remember Abraham tithed to Melchizedek, Abraham tithed to someone greater.

Was Jesus a practicing High Priest while on earth under the old covenant or the new covenant? Does Jesus practice as a High Priest in an earthly Sanctuary or a Heavenly Sanctuary? (scripture please)

klutedavid · May 27, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Was Jesus a practicing High Priest while on earth under the old covenant or the new covenant? Does Jesus practice as a High Priest in an earthly Sanctuary or a Heavenly Sanctuary? (scripture please)

You have to answer my question first.

LoveGodsWord · May 27, 2021

klutedavid said:
Some how we both quoted the idea, Jesus was the Lord of the Sabbath. Spooky.

Jesus being the Lord of the Sabbath when he was on the earth or not on the earth has nothing to do with His role as our great High Priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary after His death and resurrection unless your willfully and knowingly breaking Gods' Sabbath commandment according to the scriptures

LoveGodsWord · May 27, 2021

klutedavid said:
You have to answer my question first.

You cannot answer my question to you because if you disagree I will quote the scriptures. Of course I know what Melchizedek means. It means King Priest of righteousness. Now please answer my questions. I know you will not. I thought I would just ask anyway.

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