The Law of God vs the Law of Moses

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If you are working six days a week trying to keep the ten commandments perfectly, you would probably need a day of rest from your human efforts.


Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ; (YLT)


Former SDA pastor Dale Ratzlaff, Does the Sabbath day continue in the New Covenant?


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This is not about judging one another - it is about "the WORD of God" - the subject of rebellion vs obedience.

Rom 8:4-11 says that the wicked "do not submit to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they"

Rom 2:13 "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law WILL be JUSTIFIED ... on the day when according to My GOSPEL God will judge"

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

Where "the FIRST Commandment WITH a promise" is "Honor your father and mother" Eph 6:1-2 in that still-valid unit of TEN.

1 John 5:2-3 "This IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments"

Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

Is 66:23 for all eternity AFTER the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"

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Many SDAs have tried to explain that to Ratzlaff even after he left the Adventist church but he refused to consider it.
 
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You are accusing me of breaking the Sabbath day in the same way the Pharisees accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath day

No not at all. I have only been sharing Gods' Word with you. I do not judge you and never have. It is the Word of God that becomes our judge come judgement day according to Jesus in John 12:47-48. These are God's Words not my words and it is the Spirit of God that convicts the world of sin and righteousness and of the judgement to come according to Jesus in John 16:8 not me. Do you feel convicted of sin and judged? What was it from the scriptures that were shared with you that you did not believe and why?
 
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No not at all. I have only been sharing Gods' Word with you. I do not judge you and never have. It is the Word of God that becomes our judge come judgement day according to Jesus in John 12:47-48. These are God's Words not my words and it is the Spirit of God that convicts the world of sin and righteousness and of the judgement to come according to Jesus in John 16:8 not me. Do you feel convicted of sin and judged? What was it from the scriptures that were shared with you that you did not believe and why?

Why would I feel convicted for being accused by a person acting like a Pharisee, who has yet to deal with the scripture found below?

You can ignore it, but it will not go away.

Why have you failed to explain why it was legal for Christ to do work on the Sabbath day, and to command the healed man to work on the Sabbath day?

Is this passage a threat to Adventism?


Joh 5:1 After this there was a feast of the Jews, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
Joh 5:2 Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, which is called in Hebrew, Bethesda, having five porches.
Joh 5:3 In these lay a great multitude of sick people, blind, lame, paralyzed, waiting for the moving of the water.
Joh 5:4 For an angel went down at a certain time into the pool and stirred up the water; then whoever stepped in first, after the stirring of the water, was made well of whatever disease he had.
Joh 5:5 Now a certain man was there who had an infirmity thirty-eight years.
Joh 5:6 When Jesus saw him lying there, and knew that he already had been in that condition a long time, He said to him, "Do you want to be made well?"
Joh 5:7 The sick man answered Him, "Sir, I have no man to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up; but while I am coming, another steps down before me."
Joh 5:8 Jesus said to him, "Rise, take up your bed and walk."
Joh 5:9 And immediately the man was made well, took up his bed, and walked. And that day was the Sabbath.
Joh 5:10 The Jews therefore said to him who was cured, "It is the Sabbath; it is not lawful for you to carry your bed."
Joh 5:11 He answered them, "He who made me well said to me, 'Take up your bed and walk.' "
Joh 5:12 Then they asked him, "Who is the Man who said to you, 'Take up your bed and walk'?"
Joh 5:13 But the one who was healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn, a multitude being in that place.
Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, "See, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you."
Joh 5:15 The man departed and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well.
Joh 5:16 For this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill Him, because He had done these things on the Sabbath.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working."

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Have you failed to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in Galatians 4:24-31, instead of me?

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?
Gal 3:2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?—
Gal 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?
Gal 3:4 Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?
Gal 3:5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

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Gal 1:6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel,
Gal 1:7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.


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Why would I feel convicted for being accused by a person acting like a Pharisee, who has yet to deal with the scripture found below?

You can ignore it, but it will not go away.

Why have you failed to explain why it was legal for Christ to do work on the Sabbath day, and to command the healed man to work on the Sabbath day?

Is this passage a threat to Adventism?


Joh 5:1 After this there was a feast of the Jews, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
Joh 5:2 Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, which is called in Hebrew, Bethesda, having five porches.
Joh 5:3 In these lay a great multitude of sick people, blind, lame, paralyzed, waiting for the moving of the water.
Joh 5:4 For an angel went down at a certain time into the pool and stirred up the water; then whoever stepped in first, after the stirring of the water, was made well of whatever disease he had.
Joh 5:5 Now a certain man was there who had an infirmity thirty-eight years.
Joh 5:6 When Jesus saw him lying there, and knew that he already had been in that condition a long time, He said to him, "Do you want to be made well?"
Joh 5:7 The sick man answered Him, "Sir, I have no man to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up; but while I am coming, another steps down before me."
Joh 5:8 Jesus said to him, "Rise, take up your bed and walk."
Joh 5:9 And immediately the man was made well, took up his bed, and walked. And that day was the Sabbath.
Joh 5:10 The Jews therefore said to him who was cured, "It is the Sabbath; it is not lawful for you to carry your bed."
Joh 5:11 He answered them, "He who made me well said to me, 'Take up your bed and walk.' "
Joh 5:12 Then they asked him, "Who is the Man who said to you, 'Take up your bed and walk'?"
Joh 5:13 But the one who was healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn, a multitude being in that place.
Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, "See, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you."
Joh 5:15 The man departed and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well.
Joh 5:16 For this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill Him, because He had done these things on the Sabbath.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working."

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Have you failed to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in Galatians 4:24-31, instead of me?
Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?
Gal 3:2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?—
Gal 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?
Gal 3:4 Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?
Gal 3:5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

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Gal 1:6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel,
Gal 1:7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.


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Repetition already answered. Please see the post you are quoting from, Matthew 12:1-12 Jesus saying it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath, and Galatians not being relevant as no one is seeking to receive Gods' righteousness from the law so how do the scriptures posted support your view? - They don't.

Something to pray about.
 
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Repetition already answered. Please see the post you are quoting from, Matthew 12:1-12 Jesus saying it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath


You are still missing the fact that Christ is a priest, and it was legal for a priest to work on the Sabbath day, as He did in John 5:1-17.

Based on what Peter said below, who else is a priest in the New Covenant?


1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.


Those who follow Christ are a part of the priesthood. Therefore, it is legal for me to work on the Sabbath day.
Are you the one who determines what is good work for me to do on the Sabbath day?

This is why Paul instructed the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in Galatians 4:24-31.

The New Covenant has now made the Old Covenant "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:6-13.

We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18, but we are come instead to the New Covenant of Mount Sion in Hebrews 12:22-24.

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Are you a priest in the New Covenant, or are you still a slave to the bondwoman in Galatians 4:24-31?

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You are still missing the fact that Christ is a priest, and it was legal for a priest to work on the Sabbath day, as He did in John 5:1-17.

You are still missing the fact that in God's Word it was not legal for a priest to build a house, build a barn, reap his field .. or engage in any secular labor at all on the Sabbath. Is 58:13. He could only do "the work of PRIEST" on the Sabbath as it pertains to spreading the Word of God, the conducting the sanctuary service etc.

So today we can open church doors put out the plates for the Communion Service etc on the Sabbath but we cannot wash windows in the church, mop floors, repaint walls etc. There are six days in the week to do that sort of thing.
 
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Why would I feel convicted for being accused by a person acting like a Pharisee,

Why would someone feel convicted after being falsely accused of acting like a Pharisee?
 
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So today we can open church doors put out the plates for the Communion Service etc on the Sabbath


Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
Exo 16:30 So the people rested on the seventh day.


Three Adventist doctrines that compromise the Gospel:

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Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Indeed - taking God's name in vain was always a bad thing .. even before Exodus 20. (And it still is a bad thing). No wonder almost all Bible scholars admit to these obvious details regarding God's TEN Commandments
 
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Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
Exo 16:30 So the people rested on the seventh day.
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Lev 23:3 the 7th day Sabbath a "day of Holy Convocation" where people gather "outside of their homes" (from the Law of Moses)

Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" (for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth) -- vs "stay at home"

Bible details matter. you can't employ a bend-wrench of the text of Ex 16 regarding dwellers in the desert - without setting it out of line with the rest of the Bible - including the rest of the books of Moses.

No wonder we have gentiles and Jews outside their homes gathered for Sabbath gospel preaching in Acts 13, and in Acts 17 and in Acts 18:4 "every Sabbath"

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no wonder Bible scholars in almost every Christian denomination admit to these obvious Bible details.
 
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Lev 23:3 the 7th day Sabbath a "day of Holy Convocation" where people gather "outside of their homes" (from the Law of Moses)

Once again, we see the Bible does not say what you are claiming above.
Do you understand the difference between "in" and "out"?

Deu 5:20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.

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Leviticus 23:3

(ESV) “Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work. It is a Sabbath to the LORD in all your dwelling places.

(ESV+) R19“Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work. It is a Sabbath to the LORD in all your dwelling places.

(Geneva) Six daies shall worke be done, but in the seuenth day shalbe the Sabbath of rest, an holie conuocation: ye shall do no worke therein, it is the Sabbath of the Lorde, in all your dwellings.

(GW) You may work for six days. But the seventh day is a day of worship, a day when you don't work, a holy assembly. Don't do any work. It is the LORD'S day of worship wherever you live.

(KJV) Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

(KJV+) SixH8337 daysH3117 shall workH4399 be done:H6213 but the seventhH7637 dayH3117 is the sabbathH7676 of rest,H7677 an holyH6944 convocation;H4744 ye shall doH6213 noH3808 H3605 workH4399 therein: itH1931 is the sabbathH7676 of the LORDH3068 in allH3605 your dwellings.H4186

(NKJV) 'Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

(YLT) six days is work done, and in the seventh day is a sabbath of rest, a holy convocation; ye do no work; it is a sabbath to Jehovah in all your dwellings.


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Leviticus 23:3

(ESV) “Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work. It is a Sabbath to the LORD in all your dwelling places.

(ESV+) R19“Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work. It is a Sabbath to the LORD in all your dwelling places.

(Geneva) Six daies shall worke be done, but in the seuenth day shalbe the Sabbath of rest, an holie conuocation: ye shall do no worke therein, it is the Sabbath of the Lorde, in all your dwellings.

(GW) You may work for six days. But the seventh day is a day of worship, a day when you don't work, a holy assembly. Don't do any work. It is the LORD'S day of worship wherever you live.

(KJV) Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

(KJV+) SixH8337 daysH3117 shall workH4399 be done:H6213 but the seventhH7637 dayH3117 is the sabbathH7676 of rest,H7677 an holyH6944 convocation;H4744 ye shall doH6213 noH3808 H3605 workH4399 therein: itH1931 is the sabbathH7676 of the LORDH3068 in allH3605 your dwellings.H4186

(NKJV) 'Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

(YLT) six days is work done, and in the seventh day is a sabbath of rest, a holy convocation; ye do no work; it is a sabbath to Jehovah in all your dwellings.


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The seventh day is God's Sabbath and should be in everyone's homes. It does not say you have to stay home all day. Holy convocation means assembly and Sabbath is all day from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. In my household I like to have worship in my home on Sabbath and than worship at church which is obeying what God is asking in this verse. The Sabbath is meant to be a day of communion with our Savior and it's a way to get to know Him when you spend time with Him on His blessed Sabbath day. 1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
 
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Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
Exo 16:30 So the people rested on the seventh day. .

Read the context you left out. "Going out of his place" is in context to collecting manna on the Sabbath.

Exodus 16:4-5 [4], Then said the LORD to Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no. [5], And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.

The bible does not say anywhere you cannot go outside on the Sabbath. By ignoring the scripture contexts again your making the bible say things it does not say and does not teach.

Jesus and the Apostles regularly went to Church (the synagogue) on the Sabbath and went outside on the Sabbath (see Luke 4:16; Matthew 12:1; Acts of the Apostles 17:2)

Acts of the Apostles 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spoke to the women which resorted thither.

Your interpretations of scripture are not biblical as are those you follow.
 
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1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.


Why would anyone quote from the second chapter of 1 John, but then ignore the third chapter where the commandments John was talking about are revealed?
What are "his commandments", as defined by the Apostle John?

The truth is not in those who attempt to switch one set of commandments for another.


1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

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Why would anyone quote from the second chapter of 1 John, but then ignore the third chapter where the commandments John was talking about are revealed?
What are "his commandments", as defined by the Apostle John?

The truth is not in those who attempt to switch one set of commandments for another.


1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. .

The answer to your question here is that your ignoring the scripture contexts. The context to your the scriptures you quote here are to sin which is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments and not believing and following God's Word *1 John 2:1-4; 1 John 3:4-10 see also James 2:10-11 and Romans 7:7. As posted some time back demonstrated through the scriptures love is not separate from Gods' law it is expressed in obedience to God's law. It is therefore you who is trying to switch one set of commandments for something that is not biblical.
 
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Jesus also worked on the Sabbath day in John 5:1-17.
Nope. He did good on the Sabbath and came to teach us it is lawful to do so as shown in Matthew 12:1-12. [12] 12, How much then is a man better than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the sabbath days. Doing good on the Sabbath is not breaking the Sabbath according to Jesus.
 
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Why would anyone quote from the second chapter of 1 John, but then ignore the third chapter where the commandments John was talking about are revealed?
What are "his commandments", as defined by the Apostle John?

The truth is not in those who attempt to switch one set of commandments for another.


1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

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We have gone through this now several times now. This verse does not delete God's commandments. I don't see where it says that. Love is obeying all of God's commandments.
 
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Nope. He did good on the Sabbath

Joh 5:1 After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
Joh 5:2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.
Joh 5:3 In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water.
Joh 5:4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.
Joh 5:5 And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.
Joh 5:6 When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?
Joh 5:7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.
Joh 5:8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
Joh 5:9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.
Joh 5:10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.
Joh 5:11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
Joh 5:12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?
Joh 5:13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Joh 5:15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
Joh 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

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