Arizona Election Audit -- Dominion refuses to provide passwords

JLB777 said:

Not lost.


You have to have a trial in order to lose.


Democrat judges wouldn’t even look at the evidence.




Please stop lying.

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Bolding mine.

Often technically true, well sort of. Democrat judges dismissed cases where there were only allegations and no evidence. As did Republican judges including several who were appointed by Trump.

JLB777 said:

No

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So you don't know how it is vetted but feel comfortable making claims about how it is certified?

Here is the Award of the Unsinkable Rubber Duck for persisting without a shred of evidence:

GreatLakes4Ever said:

Those are claims. There is nothing here to back them up. Back them up with some concrete evidence or stop making claims. Just because you say something happened doesn’t make it true. I have just as much evidence you murdered your wife as you have their was election fraud.

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If an eye witness is not evidence, then what is... LOL

Whyayeman said:

JLB

You need to distinguish between allegations and actual evidence - the sort of thing considered by the courts. If there were actual, real evidence of systematic fraud it would be a criminal matter. If the systematic fraud took place in several states this would be a federal offence. It would also amount to a conspiracy.

So the allegations are extremely serious. Keep on making them but if you come across actual evidence your duty is to inform the authorities.

What you are putting before us are just allegations, stories, claims by the people who lost.

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Dead voters voting.

Illegal voters voting.

Empty lots voting

People voting multiple times

Voting tabulators tabulating fractional votes.


is evidence.


Just because you don’t believe the truth doesn’t mean it’s somehow not true.




JLB

Belk said:

So you don't know how it is vetted but feel comfortable making claims about how it is certified?

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I don’t know how to vet a dominion voting machine.


Many people don’t know how to work on a plumbing system, but they do know when a commode overflows, something is wrong.





JLB

JLB777 said:

I don’t know how to vet a dominion voting machine.


Many people don’t know how to work on a plumbing system, but they do know when a commode overflows, something is wrong.





JLB

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Yet all the plumbers are telling you nothing is wrong with the plumbing, the toilet is overflowing because of all the people filling it with crud.

Every test and metric to date shows there was no major issues with the voting and the only people who claim there was are laymen with no knowledge of the system.

JLB777 said:

Just because you don’t believe the truth doesn’t mean it’s somehow not true.

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That is precisely the problem. JLB does not believe the truth, but it is still true; there has been no evidence that there was systematic fraud in the 2020 elections, or of any prior elections.

When Trump won there was gnashing of teeth but the result was accepted. When Biden won, not so much.

The first person to claim fraud was Trump himself six months before any votes were cast. If Trump had known that something fishy was going on he was rather well placed to do something about it. He did nothing, or if he did anything we know nothing about what it could have been because - well, nothing happened. No arrests, no election machinery inspected, no officials reprimanded or replaced; just hints and allegations.

No change there.

Whyayeman said:

That is precisely the problem. JLB does not believe the truth, but it is still true; there has been no evidence that there was systematic fraud in the 2020 elections, or of any prior elections.

When Trump won there was gnashing of teeth but the result was accepted. When Biden won, not so much.

The first person to claim fraud was Trump himself six months before any votes were cast. If Trump had known that something fishy was going on he was rather well placed to do something about it. He did nothing, or if he did anything we know nothing about what it could have been because - well, nothing happened. No arrests, no election machinery inspected, no officials reprimanded or replaced; just hints and allegations.

No change there.

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Actually it was in 2016 that Trump was preparing the whole I was cheated excuse, but he won to his own surprise. So he had a whole 4 years to address it and chose to do nothing.

I did not know that.

Perhaps he just sort of made it up.

In 2016 when lost one of the early primaries to Ted Cruz, he claimed he lost because he was rigged. It's his kind of go to excuse to losing.

One of the sub-contractors is done....

The Pennsylvania-based IT company that was in charge of running the hand recount of Maricopa County ballots is no longer involved in the audit.

The contract with Wake TSI ended May 14, the original completion date for the hand count, and the company chose not to renew its contract, according to Randy Pullen, an audit spokesperson and former state GOP chair.

"They were done," he said. "They didn't want to come back."

StratTech Solutions takes over hand count in Arizona election audit

From the article:

The switch in contractors is the most significant change yet in the unconventional audit, which has seen numerous changes since it began April 23.

Ryan Macias, former acting director of testing and certification at the U.S. Election Assistance Commission who has observed the audit for the Arizona Secretary of State's Office, said Tuesday that this represents the “continuation of the mismanagement and constant change which we have been observing since the beginning." [My bold]

And we were told that the 'audit' was in capable hands. The Arizona Republicans appear to be incapable of running a whelk stall.

JLB777 said:

Dead voters voting.

Illegal voters voting.

Empty lots voting

People voting multiple times

Voting tabulators tabulating fractional votes.

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Trump's lawyers didn't claim any of that happened.

NxNW said:

Trump's lawyers didn't claim any of that happened.

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I’m not sure that you understand correctly.

The person you’re quoting cannot accept a reality where President Trump actually lost his re-election bid.

Therefore, their reality is that Trump won (but it was taken from him because he’s the “suffering-servant” patiently awaiting for his chance at vindication!).

And you can be sure that there’ll be heck to pay when his second coming arrives!

Sounds familiar, doesn’t it?

This would be funny but for the awful possibility of the Second Coming. Trump does not seem to me to be a very forgiving man.

(Actually it is a bit of a mystery where all these absurdities sprang up. They seem to have grown right here on the internet, so must be true!)

Whyayeman said:

This would be funny but for the awful possibility of the Second Coming. Trump does not seem to me to be a very forgiving man.

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Second term? Pish. The true believers have moved on to eternity.

essentialsaltes said:

Second term? Pish. The true believers have moved on to eternity.

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The new motto of the Republican party "In Trump We Trust".

Measures approved by both the House and Senate Appropriations committees would take away her authority to defend state election laws and give it to Attorney General Mark Brnovich. It also prevents her from being able to get legal advice from the Attorney General's Office and would remove her purview over the Capitol Museum located in the historic Capitol.

But Republican lawmakers insist it's not personal, not a power grab and not punishment for Hobbs' political stances, even though several said how unhappy they are with things she's done and the law is designed to lapse at the end of her term.

Pretty transparent power grab. 'The voters put someone we don't like in office. Let's give her powers to one of our guys.'

Belk said:

Yet all the plumbers are telling you nothing is wrong with the plumbing, the toilet is overflowing because of all the people filling it with crud.

Every test and metric to date shows there was no major issues with the voting and the only people who claim there was are laymen with no knowledge of the system.

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Actually it is more like someone keeps reporting that the toilet has overflowed, the janitor gets sent to clean it up and finds no evidence that anything ever went wrong, not even a drop of water on the floor. Then in excessive caution every toilet gets flushed multiple times and works perfectly.

Then the next day the same people make the same report with the same results.

JLB777 said:

Not lost.


You have to have a trial in order to lose.


Democrat judges wouldn’t even look at the evidence.




Please stop lying.

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And this is false. I even went over all the evidence looked at by a Michigan judge when he refused to allow a trial. The issue is, as others have stated, the majority of affidavits don't allege any fraud; instead they frequently are complaints about things they didn't like but were the rules (such as the Coronavirus precautions), and in many cases about the process (the Michigan judge commented on this) where the "complaint" was evidence that the counting occurred according to the law. Really, many affidavits were made by people who had no clue about the law surrounding vote counting and alleged that the process followed, to count the votes, was not followed even though the process they described election workers taking was exactly what election law said had to happen.

It wasn't just Democrat judges. As others have stated, many of the judges that refused trials, because Trump's campaign lawyers could not provide reasonable evidence (in the affidavits), to show that the law had not been followed, were Republican judges, with some of them even appointed to their position by Pres. Trump.

It is also worth noting that even Trump's lawyers found that many of the affidavits were false and were forced to admit that in court (I've posted the video of that portion of the hearing multiple times). Again, almost none of the affidavits dealt with any actual fraud. The lists of "dead people" that were released were found to have numerous living people on them; basically the lists were poorly assembled and didn't account for people with similar names or even where the people actually lived (lived in a different county, where a live person with that name did live in the county). My favorite is likely the list of "people who have moved" that was filled with military members -- where the county was still their legal residence -- but it showed they now lived on a base in another state.

The issue is, no "fraud" has ever been shown. In the case of Trump's lawyers, they never even alleged in court that any fraud occurred. Again, we have audio of Trump's lawyers (more than one case) where they specifically tell the judge that they are not alleging any fraud occurred. At this point, these "audits" are merely fishing expeditions to find the "evidence" that they have not yet been able to show.

Last, let us also note that the people who ran the elections in Arizona, including the election officials in Maricopa County, are Republicans. In many cases, where this "fraud" is alleged by various Trump supporters, it is allegedly Republicans (and often Trump supporting Republicans, such as the Georgia AG) who "stole" the victory from Trump.