Female ordination

concretecamper · May 22, 2021

Albion said:
What the verse actually says is that the Holy Spirit will guide the church into all truth.

The difference matters because the reply quoted above makes it seem as though every decision made by the church is infallible, but that modification doesn't work for two reasons: 1) the historic church has reversed itself on belief and practice many times, and 2) if the Holy Spirit "guides," he is directing the church towards something; it's not a matter of everything being infallibly correct at all times, in which case there wouldn't be a need for a guide.

Of the twenty or more best known Bible translations, both early ones and modern versions, almost every one translates it as guide into or, occasionally lead. One uses conduct. None has it saying that the Holy Spirit will make sure that every church decision will be correct.

yes, I should have looked up the verse. "Into" describes it better. The Holy Spirt therefore guarantees the.Church will not err in matters of faith and morals. Thank you for making my point more clear.

Root of Jesse · May 24, 2021

4UallPraise said:
Simply because the context of ordination describes the new creation that places one in God and women are not God.

Actually, no. Ordination is the response to the call of the Holy Spirit. Jesus didn't have any female apostles. And that's why we do not ordain women. I will say that I love to hear some of the protestant female pastors give a sermon.

4UallPraise · May 24, 2021

Root of Jesse said:
Actually, no. Ordination is the response to the call of the Holy Spirit. Jesus didn't have any female apostles. And that's why we do not ordain women. I will say that I love to hear some of the protestant female pastors give a sermon.

Of course your right Jesse ole boy. A female could not possibly be responsive to the call of the Holy Spirit. Have a nice life. Sianara.

topher694 · May 24, 2021

4UallPraise said:
Of course your right Jesse ole boy. A female could not possibly be responsive to the call of the Holy Spirit. Have a nice life. Sianara.

He's also clearly right that there were no female apostles:

Greet Andronicus and Junia, my countrymen and my fellow prisoners, who are of note [outstanding] among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me. Romans 16:7

4UallPraise · May 24, 2021

topher694 said:
He's also clearly right that there were no female apostles:

Greet Andronicus and Junia, my countrymen and my fellow prisoners, who are of note [outstanding] among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me. Romans 16:7

The 12 apostles were to judge the 12 tribes. Is that the church’s role?

topher694 · May 24, 2021

4UallPraise said:
The 12 apostles were to judge the 12 tribes. Is that the church’s role?

No, Apostles equip the saints for the work of the ministry and edify the Body of Christ, just like all the other 5-fold... they supply a unique and vital function to the Body.

Albion · May 24, 2021

topher694 said:
He's also clearly right that there were no female apostles:

Greet Andronicus and Junia, my countrymen and my fellow prisoners, who are of note [outstanding] among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me. Romans 16:7

Surely you realize, if only because it's been explained here several times already, that the comment you want to oppose refers to "the Twelve," i.e. the twelve men that Christ called to be his closest associates and also, later, to be his first church leaders and evangelists. All men--even if we attach no importance to that fact.

We usually call them "the Apostles."

But the word itself, especially when not capitalized, means an emissary or one who is sent out on some sort of assignment. Andronicus and Junia were some of those, and the use of the word there doesn't in any way refer to them being among the Twelve Apostles or of their rank or office.

4UallPraise · May 24, 2021

topher694 said:
No, Apostles equip the saints for the work of the ministry and edify the Body of Christ, just like all the other 5-fold... they supply a unique and vital function to the Body.

Obviously I stand corrected in your p.o.v. Maybe you should practice what you preach, you know, be an example instead of hollowness. Iow, read the bible because that is the plain and clear explanation. Now I’m sic of this subject≥ xshutup~

Postvieww · May 24, 2021

How can a woman speak prophecy while silent????

topher694 · May 24, 2021

4UallPraise said:
Obviously I stand corrected in your p.o.v. Maybe you should practice what you preach, you know, be an example instead of hollowness. Iow, read the bible because that is the plain and clear explanation. Now I’m sic of this subject≥ xshutup~

Ummm, wow. I think you may have completely misunderstood something I said. Regardless I do practice what I preach, I feel confident saying more that you do.

Postvieww · May 24, 2021

God is not bound by mans misuse of scripture. Women have been used of God in scripture and are being used of God today in many offices and callings. God can speak through a donkey if he so chooses. It is God who calls his people into ministry not misguided so called “church authorities”!

topher694 · May 24, 2021

Postvieww said:
God is not bound by mans misuse of scripture. Women have been used of God in scripture and are being used of God today in many offices and callings. God can speak through a donkey if he so chooses. It is God who calls his people into ministry not misguided so called “church authorities”!

Here's a good example of what you are saying:
Iran has world’s ‘fastest-growing church,’ despite no buildings - and it's mostly led by women: documentary

How dare these women risk their lives to expand the Kingdom of God in an area where men are not stepping up!!! Don't they know they should be quiet! (sarcasm alert)

pescador · May 24, 2021

Postvieww said:
God is not bound by mans misuse of scripture. Women have been used of God in scripture and are being used of God today in many offices and callings. God can speak through a donkey if he so chooses. It is God who calls his people into ministry not misguided so called “church authorities”!

Great post! Very true.

Albion · May 24, 2021

pescador said:
Great post! Very true.

But also irrelevant if we are to stick to discussing this thread's topic.

Postvieww · May 24, 2021

This war on women’s role in the church is a tired old argument. It is misguided at best and demonic at worst. Yep I really did say that!

Gregorikos · May 24, 2021

Postvieww said:
How can a woman speak prophecy while silent????

Take that up with the Apostle Paul, because he allowed women to do just that. 1 Corinthians 11:5

Postvieww · May 24, 2021

Was the ordination of Kathryn Kuhlman an unscriptural exercise? Why did God mightily use her in salvations and healings? Did God anoint her by mistake?

Gregorikos · May 24, 2021

Albion said:
We usually call them "the Apostles."

But the word itself, especially when not capitalized, means an emissary or one who is sent out on some sort of assignment. Andronicus and Junia were some of those, and the use of the word there doesn't in any way refer to them being among the Twelve Apostles or of their rank or office.

Tell us, who was it that supplied the capital letters? Were the original New Testament manuscripts written that way? Of course not. So you are making a distinction between "apostle" in Luke 6, and "apostle" in Romans 16:7 that doesn't exist in Scripture.

Albion · May 24, 2021

Postvieww said:
Was the ordination of Kathryn Kuhlman an unscriptural exercise?

Yes

Why did God mightily use her in salvations and healings?

That doesn't describe the place of ordained ministers in the church of Christ. In history, God has chosen many laypersons for various assignments and to receive some of the gifts of the Holy Spirit that we often discuss, but none of that is the topic here.

Albion · May 24, 2021

Gregorikos said:
Tell us, who was it that supplied the capital letters?

That is not the issue. The point is that the word is sometimes used to refer to the Twelve (Peter, James, Andrew, etc.) but it also can be used in the more generic sense, as with Junia.

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