I knew from experience that you probably wouldn't actually engage or answer the question I posed. But I asked anyway.
Did Moses worship the Golden Calf?
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I knew from experience that you probably wouldn't actually engage or answer the question I posed. But I asked anyway.
According to you or according to Jesus? I believe Jesus when He said He did not come to destroy God’s laws Mathew 5:17-20
Did Moses worship the Golden Calf?
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I would be over joyed to have, at long last, an honest examination of the Scriptures with you. Lord knows how often I have tried. I will be more than happy to answer your questions after you do the simplest of common decency and courtesies and answer the question that I asked "Please Answer".
Here, I'll ask it again to make it easy for you.
In Duet 5, How were there Israelite's "Alive this day" given the Word's of the God of the Bible I posted, quoted again below.
Ex. 32:9 And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:
10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.
I look forward to an honest answer to my question. Or if you don't know the answer, please just say so.
I see. So if you agree that Gods' 10 commandments are not abolished then neither is God's 4th commandment which is one of Gods' 10 commandments that make up the 10 commandments *Exodus 20:8-11 that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to the scriptures *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 in the new covenant.The truth is I never said the ten commandments were "abolished", because the Bible does not say they were "abolished".
No. What Jesus actually said was "Think not that I have come to destroy the law or the prophets I have not come to destroy the law or the prophets I have not come to destroy but to fulfill them. Jesus goes on to say not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law till Heaven and earth pass away and all be fulfilled and that whosoever breaks one of the least of these commandments shall be called the least in God's Kingdom and that unless our righteousness exceeds that of the external appearance of the Scribes and the Pharisees we shall in no wise enter into Gods' kingdom. - Matthew 5:17-20.Christ said all of the law was to be "fulfilled" by Him in Matthew 5:17-18, and His final three words on the cross confirmed it in John 19:30.
This is repetition over and over that has already been addressed in some detail in earlier posts and scriptures showing that the bible is indeed very true. As posted earlier your mistake here is not understanding what the old covenant was and what the new covenant is that the old covenant points to. We are in the new covenant now not the old covenant. The old covenant included both Gods' 10 commandments (Exodus 34:28) and the Mosiac book of the covenant (Exodus 24:7) or book of the law (Deuteronomy 28:61; 29:21; 30:10 etc), which held all Gods' laws including the "shadow laws" for remission of sins; Levitical Priesthood, Sanctuary laws, circumcision, the annual Feast days and other laws of God. The old covenant included both God's 10 commandments written with the finger of God *Exodus 32:16 on tables of stone and the Mosaic book of the covenant collectively made up the old covenant and was placed in the Ark (house) of the covenant (Deuteronomy 10:2; Deuteronomy 31:24-26). This covenant (10 commandments and the Mosaic book of the covenant) of course was not made with anyone before Israel.The Bible says the Old Covenant was made "obsolete" by the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:6-13. My axe was made "obsolete" by my chainsaw, but my axe was not "abolished". The truth is the text of Deuteronomy 5:1-22 says the Sinai Covenant was not given at an earlier time. If the above is not true, then the Bible is not true.
It is inevitable that after some time of discussing the scriptures many seek to turn the discussion away from the scriptures to something that is not scripture. God's Word is the light that is turned on to showing that what one believes is true or may not be biblical. In the very words of Jesus many do not like discussing the scriptures and seek to turn the discussion away from the bible when the light is shining brightly because Gods' Word is a lamp unto our feet and a light unto our path. It shows us what path we are traveling and according to Jesus many love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil and will not come to the light lest their deeds be reproved. We should not be afraid of coming to the light of Gods' Word as it is here we can see what road we are traveling and if we are going in the wrong direction of the many. The light of God's Word can lead us back to the path that is straight and narrow that the many never find.The truth is that Ellen G. White said the door was shut, and later she said the door was open.
Based on this evidence can she be a prophet of God?
Ellen G. White® Estate: The "Shut Door" Documents (whiteestate.org)
"6. December, 1844--Ellen Harmon's First Vision Changed Her Mind About the Significance of the "7th Month Experience."
Under date of May 30, 1847, James White wrote:
When she received her first vision, Dec. 1844, she and all the band in Portland, Maine, (where her parents then resided) had given up the midnight-cry, and shut door, as being in the past. It was then that the Lord shew her in vision, the error into which she and the band in Portland had fallen. She then related her vision to the band, and about sixty confessed their error, and acknowledged their 7th month experience to be the work of God.--James White, A Word to the Little Flock, p. 22." .
Why are you ignoring the fact that there two different sets of commandments in the words of Christ found below? Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Based on your response above, it would seem better that you tell me the answer you want to hear.
If I discussed people being swallowed by the ground as one of God's judgment on the children of Israel, it might not be the answer you are looking for.
Maybe that would keep me from the condemnation that you may want to send my direction.
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SO When did God "ADD" the command regarding burnt offering and sacrifices for Sin? Before the Golden Calf, or after?
Of course you can't answer this question either.
Jesus is not talking about two different sets of commandments, he is talking about the same commandments.
Any unbiased witness is able to see this truth. .
Agreed and the truth of Gods' Word does not agree with you. Please see the scriptures provided here showing why. Your just repeating yourself again here while ignoring the scriptures provided in the posts you are quoting from that disagree with your teachings.
Please see the scripture provided below.
John 15:10
(ESV) If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
(ESV+) R11If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as R12I have kept R13my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
(Geneva) If ye shall keepe my commandements, ye shall abide in my loue, as I haue kept my Fathers commandements, and abide in his loue.
(GW) If you obey my commandments, you will live in my love. I have obeyed my Father's commandments, and in that way I live in his love.
(KJV) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
(KJV+) IfG1437 ye keepG5083 myG3450 commandments,G1785 ye shall abideG3306 inG1722 myG3450 love;G26 even asG2531 IG1473 have keptG5083 myG3450 Father'sG3962 commandments,G1785 andG2532 abideG3306 inG1722 hisG846 love.G26
(NKJV) If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
(YLT) if my commandments ye may keep, ye shall remain in my love, according as I the commands of my Father have kept, and do remain in His love;
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God commanded Abraham to go to the mountains of Moriah and offer his son as a sacrifice, but the angel of God stopped him and God provided a sacrificial lamb instead.
Abraham's son had carried the wood for the sacrifice up the hill on his back.
The animal was sacrificed on the altar in the place of Abraham's son.
And to show you what LAW was ADDED 430 years after Abraham obeyed God's Commandments, Statutes, Laws and Judgments.
Can you show Abraham keeping the 4th commandment in the Book of Genesis?
Deu 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
Deu 5:4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
Deu 5:5 (I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the word of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount saying,
Deu 5:6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deu 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
Deu 5:8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
Deu 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
Deu 5:10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
Deu 5:11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
Deu 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
Deu 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
Deu 5:16 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Deu 5:17 Thou shalt not kill.
Deu 5:18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
Deu 5:19 Neither shalt thou steal.
Deu 5:20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Deu 5:21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Deu 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
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So if Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for all mankind at creation, don't you think it is presumption to say that Abraham did not keep the Sabbath when God says that the Sabbath was made for mankind at creation and that Abraham kept Gods' laws?
Or perhaps you can show us where the scripture is that says Jesus is a Sabbath? - Wait there is none.
Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ; (YLT)
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Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ; (YLT) .
If you are going to make a statement about what Jesus said, would it be better if you cited that particular verse?
I could not find any New Testament verse which contains both the word "sabbath" and "creation".
We know Abraham kept the laws that God gave him.
However the text never says anything about Abraham keeping a Sabbath day.
Abraham was commanded to circumcise his male offspring, which is no longer necessary in the New Covenant. Why not? Because Christ was circumcised for us.
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