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As per Jesus himself, even the Jews weren’t doing Judaism right.


Matthew 23:4
They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
 
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Hmmm

Romans 3:3
What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness?
That would be his faithfulness to judge Israel for its unbelief (Romans 3:4-5)
 
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Jesus sprang out of Judah, of which tribe Moses said nothing about the priesthood right?

The law made nothing perfect, Jesus is a priest after the order Melchisedec not Aaron.

I dont know, did Melchisedec have circumcision too?
Melchizedek was not a descendant of Abraham, therefore Melchizedek was not circumcised. Abraham tithed to the priest Melchizedek.
 
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Melchizedek was not a descendant of Abraham, therefore
Melchizedek was not circumcised.
Abraham tithed to the priest Melchizedek.
Oh dear, our new High Priest is of the order which is not circumcised.

So much for law keeping.
 
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Melchizedek was not a descendant of Abraham, therefore Melchizedek was not circumcised. Abraham tithed to the priest Melchizedek.

Melchizedek has no mother and Father

Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Jacob gave a tenth which was before the law

Genesis 28:22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

And yet Abraham was circumcised regardless of who he descended from, so were the kiddies
 
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If Jesus was a Jew and followed all the Jewish laws and traditions, why don't Christians do the same ? Isn't Christianity basically a continuation of Judaism, rather than a REPLACEMENT ?
Christianity is not a replacement of Judaism. Christianity is the fulfillment of everything that Judaism symbolized. Jesus was God in human form, not a Jew as we understand the term. Jesus had no earthly father, Jesus was born of a virgin.

Jesus was the Lord of Heaven and Earth. The King of Israel. The Way, the Truth, and the Light.

The Old Testament is one giant prophetic promise of the Messiah.

Only Jesus could perfectly obey the law.
 
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Yes he did say that because it is the law.

Though circumcision for the Gentiles is forbidden.

Galatians 3:12
However, the Law is not of faith, on the contrary, “He who practices them shall live by them.”

The law has no place in the Christian life, the law is not of faith!

In Galatians 3:10-12, Paul associated a quote from Habakkuk 2:4 with a quote from Leviticus 18:5, so the righteous who are living by faith are the same as those who are living in obedience to the Mosaic Law, unlike works of the law, which are not of faith. God is trustworthy, therefore His law is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7, Nehemiah 9:13), and a law that isn't trustworthy can't come from a God who is trustworthy, so to put our faith in the Mosaic Law is to put our faith in the Lawgiver, while to deny that it is of faith is to deny the faithfulness of the Lawgiver. In Galatians 3:10-12, the law being spoken about that is not of fai

Galatians 5:1
It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.

The 'yoke of slavery' is the law.

Galatians 5:2
Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you.

You have been told.

The reason why God saved the Israelites out of slavery in Egypt was not in order to put them under slavery to His law, but rather it is for freedom that God sets us free (Galatians 5:1), and God's law is a law of freedom (Psalms 119:45). In Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is sin in transgression of God's law that puts us in slavery, while it is the truth that sets us free.

Either there are correct and incorrect reasons for becoming circumcised and Paul only spoke against the incorrect reasons, or according to Galatians 5:2, Paul caused Christ to be of no value to Timothy when he had him circumcised (Acts 16:3), and Christ is of no value to roughly 80% of the men in the US. In Acts 15:1, they were wanting to require all Gentiles to become circumcised in order to become saved, however, that is an incorrect reason to become circumcised because that was never the purpose for which God commanded.
 
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If Jesus was a Jew and followed all the Jewish laws and traditions, why don't Christians do the same ?

Because he was born a Jew - born into Jewish culture, history, tradition etc.
I was not born into that faith, history etc; as far as Jews are concerned I am a Gentile - my ancestors were not slaves in Egypt, called out, led to Sinai and given the law and covenant.

Isn't Christianity basically a continuation of Judaism, rather than a REPLACEMENT ?

No.
Jesus of Nazareth was on earth as the Jewish Messiah - he came to fulfil Jewish law and Scriptures and bring in the Kingdom of God. He was God's anointed one. Christianity started as a Jewish sect. The Apostles were persecuted for teaching that the Messiah had come.
Jews do not accept that their Messiah has come; they are still waiting for him.
 
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Because he was born a Jew - born into Jewish culture, history, tradition etc.
I was not born into that faith, history etc; as far as Jews are concerned I am a Gentile - my ancestors were not slaves in Egypt, called out, led to Sinai and given the law and covenant.

Indeed, Jesus was born a Jew into Jewish culture, history, tradition, etc., and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6), and to be imitators of Paul as he imitated Christ. You were not born into that, but you can become born again. Following Jesus is not just for Jews, but for Gentiles too, but Gentiles can't follow Jesus while refusing to follow his example. The purpose of the Exodus and the giving of the law was not to teach us about who the Jews are, but to teach us about who God is, and as followers of the same God, we should live in a way that testifies about who He is rather than a way that denies the truth of what God has revealed about who He is.

No.
Jesus of Nazareth was on earth as the Jewish Messiah - he came to fulfil Jewish law and Scriptures and bring in the Kingdom of God. He was God's anointed one. Christianity started as a Jewish sect. The Apostles were persecuted for teaching that the Messiah had come.
Jews do not accept that their Messiah has come; they are still waiting for him.

Paul never stopped identifying as either a Jew (Acts 21:39, 22:3), or as a Pharisee (Acts 23:6). In Acts 15:5, it speaks about a group of believers that were among the Pharisees, so Torah observant sect of Judaism were considered to be valid believers. In Acts 21:20, they were rejoicing that tens of thousands of Jewish were coming to faith who were all zealous for the Torah, so many Jews did accept that the Messiah has come. In fact, all Christians were Torah observant Jews for roughly the first 7-15 years between the resurrection of Jesus and the inclusion of Gentiles in Acts 10.
 
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Indeed, Jesus was born a Jew into Jewish culture, history, tradition, etc., and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6), and to be imitators of Paul as he imitated Christ.

And we try to - but that does not mean adopting his culture.
It's not possible anyway. I don't think the Judaism of today is at all the same as it was in Jesus' day - they had animal sacrifices and a temple for a start. I also know that you are not saying that I should change my gender and be circumcised.

You were not born into that, but you can become born again.

I have been.
Born again is spiritual; it does not mean being born with a new body or into a culture that existed 2000 years ago.

Following Jesus is not just for Jews, but for Gentiles too,

I know.
That was even the case in the Gospels and early church.

but Gentiles can't follow Jesus while refusing to follow his example.

I do follow his example.
But I can't be circumcised. I was never under the Jewish law; I came to Christ as a Gentile, and Jesus has fulfilled the law and the prophets anyway.

The purpose of the Exodus and the giving of the law was not to teach us about who the Jews are, but to teach us about who God is,

Exodus and the books of the law are part of the story of God's people.
After Adam and Eve disobeyed God, sin came into the world. A few people walked with God and remained loyal to him - Enoch, Methuselah, Noah - but sin became rampant and out of control. After the flood God told Noah to go forth and multiply and fill the earth again.
God called Abraham and promised him that his descendants would become numerous. His grandson, Jacob, had 12 sons and they eventually settled in Egypt because of the famine in Canaan.
A few centuries later, Pharaoh had died and the Israelites were oppressing God's people - the descendants of Abraham. God rescued them from Egypt, through Moses - he saved them, led them through the Red Sea and to his Holy Mountain where he gave them his word and made a covenant with them. All their feasts and festivals were to celebrate that God had rescued them from slavery and death in Egypt. They were told to repeat his festivals to remind them of this and teach his law to their children. God's law said that they were to live as his Holy people - holy means set apart; they were to be totally dedicated to the God who had rescued them.

But they showed, over and over again, that they could not keep God's law - they broke his commands, worshipped other gods and married people from other nations, who often worshipped other gods; thus corrupting their faith.

Eventually, because they had repeatedly broken God's covenant, he said that he was going to make a new one - and Jesus came.
Jesus was both man and God, and has reconciled the two, Romans 5:11.
Jesus has fulfilled the law and the prophets who spoke about his coming.
Jesus forgives us and gives us eternal life.
Jesus makes us righteous and has given us his Holy Spirit.
Jesus showed us exactly what God is like, because he was God.

The law could not completely show us what God is like - Jesus could, and can.

Paul never stopped identifying as either a Jew (Acts 21:39, 22:3), or as a Pharisee (Acts 23:6).

That's because he was a Jew. I never have been.
I identify as a Christian and child of God.

In Acts 15:5, it speaks about a group of believers that were among the Pharisees, so Torah observant sect of Judaism were considered to be valid believers.

Yes, it does - and these people were teaching that Gentiles had to be circumcised to be saved, Acts of the Apostles 15:5. Paul and Barnabas disagreed, and taught against this teaching whenever they came up against it.

In Acts 21:20, they were rejoicing that tens of thousands of Jewish were coming to faith who were all zealous for the Torah, so many Jews did accept that the Messiah has come.

Yes, they did. There's nothing wrong with Jews accepting that their Messiah has already come, brought in the Kingdom of God and fulfilled the law and the prophets - that person was Jesus of Nazareth.

In fact, all Christians were Torah observant Jews for roughly the first 7-15 years between the resurrection of Jesus and the inclusion of Gentiles in Acts 10.

But not now.
Paul didn't go to Galatia, found a church there and teach them they had to obey the law and be circumcised; just the opposite. He said that if they did let themselves be circumcised, Christ meant nothing to them. Same with the churches in Ephesus, Rome, Thessalonica, Philippi etc etc.
No one can now keep the law as it was given to Moses anyway; there are no animal sacrifices and no temple.

I have no ancestors who were Jews and was never brought up in that faith - I am a Christian and follow Jesus.
 
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I agree....One should follow and is under the law until they are born from above,
No one is under the law. The law is abolished (Ephesians 2:15).
Until born again, everyone is condemned by the sin of Adam (Romans 5:18), they are by nature (birth) objects of wrath (Ephesians 2:3), and with which the law has nothing to do, either in condemning or in redeeming. The law was not given for righteousness, but to show the nature of God's righteousness/holiness and the consequences of violating it--curse to damnation.
after which they are no longer under or affected by it. Until this day, it is wise to understand and do the law to have a better life and blessing down here.... This is why, those that speak against the law are considered least in the kingdom of heaven.....
And that is Jesus' new law of Matthew 22:37-41, surpassing the Decalogue in both scope and responsibility.
 
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We are of another fold.

John 10:16, NASB: "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice; and they will become one flock, with one shepherd."
The other fold is the Gentiles.
A fold is a sheep pen. Jesus has only one flock, the true Israel of the one olive tree (Romans 11:16-17, Romans 11:23).

Any Gentiles refusing to join the one flock, choosing to remain apart in the other sheep pen, are not Jesus' sheep, whom he will reject, as they have rejected coming into his sheep pen to be part of his one flock.
 
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Jesus was born, live, teached and died under the Old Covenant. We would expect no less that his conformity to it, in order to fulfill it and issue in the new order of the New Covenant after his death.

Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law by teaching how to obey it by word and by example, so the fact that we are to follow what Jesus taught by word and by example under the New Covenant means that it still involves following the Mosaic Law. Jesus did not establish the New Covenant in order to undermine anything that he spent his ministry teaching by word and by example, but rather it still involves following the Mosaic Law (Jeremiah 31:33).

So they are obligated to observe circumcision, the feasts, etc.?

Not according to Paul (Galatians 4:9-11).


In Galatians 4:8-11, Paul addressed those verses to formerly did not know God, also known as former pagans. As such they were not formerly keeping God's laws and thus Paul could not have been criticizing them for returning to them, so what he was criticizing them for observing in these verses is within the context of paganism, not God's holy days. You should be more careful not to mistake what was only said against obeying the teachings of men as being against obeying God, especially because Paul was not an enemy of God.

Another false construct in the attemp to Judaize the gospel. The text reads:
"Paul greeted them and reported in detail what God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. When they heard this, they praised God."

The fact that tens of thousands of Jews were coming to faith who were all zealous for the Torah is part of what they were rejoicing about.

Which means:
it was God's purpose all along, but had to be specially revealed to Peter that the Gentiles were to be included in the NT gospel,

the gospel is the fulfillment, not the continuation of Judaism, for the old order which has fulfilled its purpose in a new order, transitions into the new order,

the old covenant is obsolete (Hebrews 8:13), and has passed, there is only one covenant, the New Covenant, made in the blood of the Messiah, not in the blood of bulls and goats,

the two commandments of Messiah (Matthew 22:37-41), surpassing the Decalogue in both scope and responsibility, are the law for the new order,

which means their zealousness for the old order was neither a virtue nor model, but a weakness and mistake in being so fond of the shadows of the law when they had the reality itself in Christ (Colossians 2:17).

Which means that Christianity at its origin was continuing to keep the Torah in obedience to God and in accordance with what Christ taught by word and by example and that turning away from the Torah is a departure from true Christianity. It is in accordance with prophecy that Gentiles were always intended to be included. In Hebrews 8:10, the New Covenant still involves following the Torah, so while the Mosaic Covenant as becoming obsolete in 8:13, God's eternal Torah did not become obsolete along with it.

The two greatest commandments are the greatest because they are inclusive of all of the other commandments, so Jesus was not commanding us to do something different in disagreement with the Father and he was not sinning in violation of Deuteronomy 4:2 by making changes to the Torah, but rather he was recognizing that all of the other commands are examples of what it means to correct obey the greatest two commandments. What God was commanding the Israelites to do when He gave the greatest two commandments is not different from what Jesus was commanding us to do when he quoted them.

In Colossians 2:17, Paul emphasized the importance of continuing to keep God's holy days by saying that they are foreshadows of what is to come, and we should live in a way that testifies about what is to come by continuing to keep them rather than a way that denies what is to come and bears false witness against God by refusing to keep them.

And the weakness and mistake continues where such fondness for the shadows of the law continues.

Fulfillment is not continuation, it is a change to the fulfillment.

In Galatians 5:14, loving our neighbor fulfills the entire law, so it refers to something that countless people have done, not to something that only Jesus did to change it in violation of Deuteronomy 4:2. Likewise, in Galatians 6:2, bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, but that has nothing to do with changing or discontinuing it.
 
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No, Jesus fulfilled all the requirements of the law so it was no longer needed. He is our salvation, not the old covenant regulations.

Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the Law by teaching us how to correctly obey them by word and by example, which has nothing to do with causing it to be no longer needed. In Galatians 6:2, loving our neighbor fulfills the Law of Christ, which again has nothing to do with causing it to no longer be needed. Our salvation is from sin and sin is the transgression of God's law, so causing the law to no longer be needed would be removing our salvation. Living in obedience to God's law is what it means to receive the gift of Jesus saving us from living in transgression of it.
 
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Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law by teaching how to obey it by word and by example, so the fact that we are to follow what Jesus taught by word and by example under the New Covenant means that it still involves following the Mosaic Law. Jesus did not establish the New Covenant in order to undermine anything that he spent his ministry teaching by word and by example, but rather it still involves following the Mosaic Law (Jeremiah 31:33).

In Galatians 4:8-11, Paul addressed those verses to formerly did not know God, also known as former pagans. As such they were not formerly keeping God's laws and thus Paul could not have been criticizing them for returning to them, so what he was criticizing them for observing in these verses is within the context of paganism, not God's holy days. You should be more careful not to mistake what was only said against obeying the teachings of men as being against obeying God, especially because Paul was not an enemy of God.

The fact that tens of thousands of Jews were coming to faith who were all zealous for the Torah is part of what they were rejoicing about.

Which means that Christianity at its origin was continuing to keep the Torah in obedience to God and in accordance with what Christ taught by word and by example and that turning away from the Torah is a departure from true Christianity. It is in accordance with prophecy that Gentiles were always intended to be included. In Hebrews 8:10, the New Covenant still involves following the Torah, so while the Mosaic Covenant as becoming obsolete in 8:13, God's eternal Torah did not become obsolete along with it.

The two greatest commandments are the greatest because they are inclusive of all of the other commandments, so Jesus was not commanding us to do something different in disagreement with the Father and he was not sinning in violation of Deuteronomy 4:2 by making changes to the Torah, but rather he was recognizing that all of the other commands are examples of what it means to correct obey the greatest two commandments. What God was commanding the Israelites to do when He gave the greatest two commandments is not different from what Jesus was commanding us to do when he quoted them.

In Colossians 2:17, Paul emphasized the importance of continuing to keep God's holy days by saying that they are foreshadows of what is to come, and we should live in a way that testifies about what is to come by continuing to keep them rather than a way that denies what is to come and bears false witness against God by refusing to keep them.

In Galatians 5:14, loving our neighbor fulfills the entire law, so it refers to something that countless people have done, not to something that only Jesus did to change it in violation of Deuteronomy 4:2. Likewise, in Galatians 6:2, bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, but that has nothing to do with changing or discontinuing it.
More attempts at false constructs for the sake of Judaizing the gospel.
 
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More attempts at false constructs for the sake of Judaizing the gospel.

Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand (Matthew 4:17-23) and the Mosaic Law is how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is an integral part of the Gospel of the Kingdom, which he prophesied would be proclaimed to the nations (Matthew 24:12-14). The same goes for Acts 2:38 for how Peter’s audience knew what sin is when he told them to repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins. In Romans 15:4, Paul said that OT Scripture is written for our instruction and in 15:18-19, his Gospel message involved bringing the Gentiles to obedience in word and in deed, so he was on the same page as Jesus about teaching repentance from our sins.

I completely agree with Paul's stance against the Judaizers and have never stated that we need to become circumcised in order to earn our salvation. Paul's problem with the Judaizers was not that they were teaching Gentiles how to follow Christ.
 
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And we try to - but that does not mean adopting his culture.
It's not possible anyway. I don't think the Judaism of today is at all the same as it was in Jesus' day - they had animal sacrifices and a temple for a start. I also know that you are not saying that I should change my gender and be circumcised.

Jesus is the exact expression of God's nature (Hebrews 1:3), which he expressed through his actions by living in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so follow his example is about participating in the divine nature through our obedience to the Mosaic Law.

The Israelites were given a number of the laws with the condition "when you enter the land..." while they were still wandering the wilderness for 40 years, so the laws did not go anywhere while that condition was not met. Likewise, when the Israelites were in exile in Babylon, the condition for their return to the land was to first return to obedience to the Mosaic Law, which required them to have access to the temple, which had been destroyed, so when there are laws that can't be obeyed, we should nevertheless be faithful to obey as much as we can. Laws in regard to temple practice were not followed again until the 2nd temple was built, so there is nothing about its destruction that means that those laws have gone anywhere.

I have been.
Born again is spiritual; it does not mean being born with a new body or into a culture that existed 2000 years ago.

A chip off the old block is someone who has the same character or nature as their father, and this is the sense that Jesus is the Son of God in that he is again the exact expression of God's nature. So this is also the sense that we are children of God through partaking in the divine nature in obedience to God's law, which is why those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to it are not children of God (1 John 3:10).

I know.
That was even the case in the Gospels and early church.

I do follow his example.
But I can't be circumcised. I was never under the Jewish law; I came to Christ as a Gentile, and Jesus has fulfilled the law and the prophets anyway.

The existence of sin requires there to be a standard of what is and is not sin, and that standard is God's nature, which has been revealed through His law. Those who have never been under God's law have no need to refrain from sin, have no need of salvation, and have no need of Jesus to have given himself to redeem us from all lawlessness. However, God is sovereign, so we are all under His law and are obligated to refrain from sin, even those who aren't even in a covenant relationship with Him, such as when God judged the world with the Flood. Jesus taught fulfilled the Mosaic Law by teaching how to obey it by word and by example, so Gentiles should look at what he taught and decide whether or not to follow Him.

Exodus and the books of the law are part of the story of God's people.
After Adam and Eve disobeyed God, sin came into the world. A few people walked with God and remained loyal to him - Enoch, Methuselah, Noah - but sin became rampant and out of control. After the flood God told Noah to go forth and multiply and fill the earth again.
God called Abraham and promised him that his descendants would become numerous. His grandson, Jacob, had 12 sons and they eventually settled in Egypt because of the famine in Canaan.
A few centuries later, Pharaoh had died and the Israelites were oppressing God's people - the descendants of Abraham. God rescued them from Egypt, through Moses - he saved them, led them through the Red Sea and to his Holy Mountain where he gave them his word and made a covenant with them. All their feasts and festivals were to celebrate that God had rescued them from slavery and death in Egypt. They were told to repeat his festivals to remind them of this and teach his law to their children. God's law said that they were to live as his Holy people - holy means set apart; they were to be totally dedicated to the God who had rescued them.

But they showed, over and over again, that they could not keep God's law - they broke his commands, worshipped other gods and married people from other nations, who often worshipped other gods; thus corrupting their faith.

Eventually, because they had repeatedly broken God's covenant, he said that he was going to make a new one - and Jesus came.
Jesus was both man and God, and has reconciled the two, Romans 5:11.
Jesus has fulfilled the law and the prophets who spoke about his coming.
Jesus forgives us and gives us eternal life.
Jesus makes us righteous and has given us his Holy Spirit.
Jesus showed us exactly what God is like, because he was God.

The law could not completely show us what God is like - Jesus could, and can.

In Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham that he may teach his children and those of his household to walk in the way of the Lord by doing righteousness and justice so that the Lord may bring to him all the He has promised him, namely that through his children all of the nations of the earth would be blessed. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by making known to him His ways that he might know Him, and Israel too. In Psalms 119:1, blessed are those who walk in the way of the Lord, and in Psalms 119:29-30, David wanted to put false ways behind him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Mosaic Law, and to choose the way of faithfulness. There are many verses that describe the Mosaic Law as being instructions for how to walk in God's ways, such as Deuteronomy 10:12-13, Isaiah 2:2-3, Joshua 22:5, Psalms 103:7, and many others. So the fulfillment of the promise made to Abraham is by his offspring to bless the nations through teaching them to turn from their wicked ways and how to walk in God's ways in obedience to His law, which has its ultimate fulfillment in Jesus, who is the way that showed us what God was like through his works in obedience to the Mosaic Law (John 14:6-11), and who was sent to bless us by turning us from our wicked ways (Acts 3:25-26). In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that the way to enter eternal life is by obeying God's commandments, so that is the way that he gives us eternal life. Likewise, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Mosaic Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27).

Yes, it does - and these people were teaching that Gentiles had to be circumcised to be saved, Acts of the Apostles 15:5. Paul and Barnabas disagreed, and taught against this teaching whenever they came up against it.

They were taking the position of salvation through faith, which the Jerusalem Council ruled in favor of in opposition to the group from Judea who were teaching that Gentiles had to be circumcised to be saved in Acts 15:1,

Yes, they did. There's nothing wrong with Jews accepting that their Messiah has already come, brought in the Kingdom of God and fulfilled the law and the prophets - that person was Jesus of Nazareth.

Every kingdom has laws that govern the conduct of its citizens and God's law is straightforwardly the law of God's Kingdom. Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is, so that is an integral part of the Gospel of the Kingdom, which was the great light that the Gentiles have seen (Matthew 4:15-23).

But not now.
Paul didn't go to Galatia, found a church there and teach them they had to obey the law and be circumcised; just the opposite. He said that if they did let themselves be circumcised, Christ meant nothing to them. Same with the churches in Ephesus, Rome, Thessalonica, Philippi etc etc.
No one can now keep the law as it was given to Moses anyway; there are no animal sacrifices and no temple.

I have no ancestors who were Jews and was never brought up in that faith - I am a Christian and follow Jesus.

Either there are correct and incorrect reasons for someone to become circumcised, and Paul only spoke against the incorrect reasons, or according to Galatians 5:2, Paul caused Christ to be of no value when he had him circumcised, and Christ is of no value to roughly 80% of the men in the US. In Acts 15:1, they were wanting to require all Gentiles to become circumcised in order to become saved, which is an incorrect reason because that was not the purpose for which God commanded circumcision. So the Jerusalem Council upheld the Mosaic Law by correcting ruling against that requirement, and a ruling against requiring something that God never commanded should not be mistaken as being a ruling against following what God has commanded or as being a ruling against following what Christ taught by word and by example.
 
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Jesus is the exact expression of God's nature (Hebrews 1:3), which he expressed through his actions by living in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so follow his example is about participating in the divine nature through our obedience to the Mosaic Law.

It isn't - but if that's what you believe, that's what you must do.

The Israelites were given a number of the laws with the condition "when you enter the land..." while they were still wandering the wilderness for 40 years, so the laws did not go anywhere while that condition was not met. Likewise, when the Israelites were in exile in Babylon, the condition for their return to the land was to first return to obedience to the Mosaic Law, which required them to have access to the temple, which had been destroyed, so when there are laws that can't be obeyed, we should nevertheless be faithful to obey as much as we can. Laws in regard to temple practice were not followed again until the 2nd temple was built, so there is nothing about its destruction that means that those laws have gone anywhere.

I'm not an Israelite.
To the Jews, I'm a Gentile - outside of God's promises, not one of his chosen, unclean. The fact that I'm also a Christian might be even more of a problem for them; because Christians have persecuted, or at least looked down upon, Jews.

A chip off the old block is someone who has the same character or nature as their father, and this is the sense that Jesus is the Son of God in that he is again the exact expression of God's nature. So this is also the sense that we are children of God through partaking in the divine nature in obedience to God's law, which is why those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to it are not children of God (1 John 3:10).

Yes - we are made righteous through Jesus alone, 2 Corinthians 5:21.
All the laws and good deeds in the world cannot make us righteous or earn righteousness for us.

The existence of sin requires there to be a standard of what is and is not sin, and that standard is God's nature, which has been revealed through His law.

Sins is disobeying God's word.
God gave Adam a specific command - do not eat fruit from a certain tree; Adam disobeyed.
This was the only command he had. There was no law; through his disobedience to this command, sin came into the world.

The law does not reveal God's nature.
Adam knew who God was; God had created the whole universe, given him the task of naming all the animals, even created a woman for him so that he would not be alone. He knew that God was the Creator, and he knew that God cared about him - because God spoke to him directly. Even after Adam sinned, God continued to care for him - he made them both clothes from animal skins because he knew that they were ashamed of their nakedness.
Cain did not have God's law, as given through Moses - yet he knew he should bring sacrifices to God. He also knew it was wrong to murder Abel. Enoch, Methuselah, Noah etc did not have God's law, yet they knew who God was.
Jesus showed us exactly who God is.
He is personal, our Father, and wants a relationship with us. We can pray to him directly, and not have to go to a prophet or religious leader to tell us what God is saying. For the Jews, if there were 10 of them, that was a synagogue and they could read God's word etc; Jesus said "where 2 or 3 are gathered, I am with you". Jesus told us that God cares about ever detail of our lives, even the hairs on our heads, and not just the big stuff. He told us that all the commands are summed up in "Love God with all your heart and love your neighbour as yourself." When asked "who is my neighbour?", he gave the parable of the Good Samaritan - everyone is our neighbour.
Jesus also told us to love as he loved us, and then he went to the cross to show us what that love was like - the kind of love which, when pagans are mocking you and even causing your physical agony, prays "Father, forgive."

Those who have never been under God's law have no need to refrain from sin, have no need of salvation, and have no need of Jesus to have given himself to redeem us from all lawlessness.

Nonsense.
People of other faiths - Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists - have never been under God's law; they don't even believe in the same God. Atheists claim to know that there is no God. But all are still sinners.

However, God is sovereign, so we are all under His law and are obligated to refrain from sin,

I refrain from sin, because Jesus died for my sin; sin destroys the relationship I have with God.
I am not perfect; I live in a sinful world, I am sometimes weak, sometimes listen to the world, the devil or my feelings. But wilful, deliberate, continual sin - putting me first and in the driving seat - is not an option. My sin cost Jesus his life.

Jesus taught fulfilled the Mosaic Law by teaching how to obey it by word and by example,

Jesus didn't teach people to obey the law. Jesus said "come to me and I will give you eternal life". He said that it is God's will that we believe in the Son and have eternal life, John 6:40, and that the work of God is that people will believe in the Son and have eternal life, John 6:29. He said that he had come so that people could have life - fulness of life, John 10:10. He also said that he is the only Way to the Father, John 14:6.

Nowhere did he say, "I have come so that you may know how to obey the law" or "if you obey the law I will give you eternal life", or "my Father's will is that you obey the law".

Jesus chose to be born as a Jew, so naturally he was brought up as a Jew, circumcised and kept the Jewish law. But he said that the Jewish law and prophets were fulfilled in HIM, and after his resurrection did not tell his disciples to go and teach the Mosaic food laws to Gentiles.
The apostles and early church opposed anyone who taught that unbelievers had to be circumcised/taught to obey the law before they could be saved.

In Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham that he may teach his children and those of his household to walk in the way of the Lord by doing righteousness and justice so that the Lord may bring to him all the He has promised him, namely that through his children all of the nations of the earth would be blessed.

Yes - Abraham was credited with righteousness because of his faith. God said that he would give a 100 year old man and 90 year old woman many ancestors, and Abraham believed. It was biologically impossible for Sarah to have a child - she had one because God promised and caused it to happen; no other reason. God made the promise to Abraham and God made the covenant with him, to show that he was committed to keeping his promise.
God did this. Abraham did not have the law, only God's promise that he would bring this to pass.

In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by making known to him His ways that he might know Him, and Israel too.

Moses wanted assurance that God would go with them and be with him as he led the people. He said that unless God was with them there would be nothing to distinguish them from all the other nations, Exodus 33:16. The thing that would make this group of people different from any other nation on earth was that God himself - the One who had created them, rescued them, protected them and made promises to them - would be with them. No other nation had that - they had many gods and they had to sacrifice to those gods in the hope that the gods would not be angry with them, and would give them good crops etc. But no other nation knew that their God was with them.

In response to this, God showed Moses himself; his glory. Moses could not see his face, because no one could look at God and live, but he saw God's "back", Exodus 33:23. Even so, Moses is described as having talked with God "face to face". After he had done so, his face was so bright that he had to put a veil over it so that the people could look at him, Exodus 34:29-35.

Because of Jesus, not only are we reconciled to God and can know that he is with us always, we can be filled with his Holy Spirit; the Holy God himself can live IN us. The Spirit was poured out on the apostles at Pentecost, which we are celebrating today. After Pentecost, the Spirit came to, and filled, all believers and new believers who accepted Jesus. This is what Jesus promised. When the disciples, and others, looked at Jesus, they were looking at God.


In Psalms 119:1, blessed are those who walk in the way of the Lord, and in Psalms 119:29-30, David wanted to put false ways behind him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Mosaic Law, and to choose the way of faithfulness.

Of course he did; he was a Jew.
David prophesied about Jesus but he didn't know him.

There are many verses that describe the Mosaic Law as being instructions for how to walk in God's ways, such as Deuteronomy 10:12-13, Isaiah 2:2-3, Joshua 22:5, Psalms 103:7, and many others.

All Old Testament; old covenant.
I don't know about you, but I am living in the New Covenant, after the resurrection of the One who fulfilled the law and has reconciled me to God.

In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that the way to enter eternal life is by obeying God's commandments,

Jesus told a rich young ruler, who was probably Jewish, that he needed to obey God's commands. When the man asked him "which ones?" Jesus replied "do not murder, commit adultery, steal" etc. He mentioned only the last of the 10 commandments which related to loving your neighbour, and the man said that he had kept all those.
But the first commandment is to love God. For the rich young ruler, his money stood between him and God; Jesus knew this, and that his money was preventing him from loving God, so he told him to give it all away. The man could not do this and went away sad - even though he kept (most of) the commandments, he did not put God first, nor was he willing to do so.
Keeping God's commands means putting him first, and doing his will. It is his will that we believe in his Son, John 6:40. When God himself was on earth he gave us other commands - to love as he loved us, to go into the world and make disciples and so on.

They were taking the position of salvation through faith, which the Jerusalem Council ruled in favor of in opposition to the group from Judea who were teaching that Gentiles had to be circumcised to be saved in Acts 15:1,

Yes, the Apostles - the Jewish council - were opposed to the teaching that Gentiles had to be circumcised to be saved.
Circumcision was the sign of the covenant that God made with Abraham. All males were circumcised after this. It was a sign that they were part of the promises that God made to Abraham, and were his people.
Moses himself was nearly killed by God because he was not circumcised, Exodus 4:24-25.

Yet the Apostles said that Gentiles could be saved, be God's children and have eternal life through Jesus alone - without the need for circumcision. That was a huge thing; former Pharisee Saul later taught that anyone who let themselves be circumcised was saying that Christ died for nothing.
In other words, Jesus is enough for salvation.

Every kingdom has laws that govern the conduct of its citizens and God's law is straightforwardly the law of God's Kingdom. Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand,

Yes. He told Jews who were under the Jewish law and obeying it, to repent.
He did not tell them to carry on keeping the law but make sure they did it perfectly. And he certainly didn't tell Gentiles to start obeying the Mosaic law.

Either there are correct and incorrect reasons for someone to become circumcised, and Paul only spoke against the incorrect reasons, or according to Galatians 5:2, Paul caused Christ to be of no value when he had him circumcised,

Presumably you are referring to Paul having Timothy circumcised? Paul did that so that the Jews would accept him and not accuse him of taking an uncircumcised man into the temple. He was not circumcising Timothy so that he would be saved.

Circumcision means nothing; abstaining from meat offered to idols means nothing. Paul was willing to do/not do those things if it would help someone else find faith and not make it difficult for others to hear the Gospel.
But circumcision was NOT necessary for salvation. Paul taught against that.

So the Jerusalem Council upheld the Mosaic Law by correcting ruling against that requirement, and a ruling against requiring something that God never commanded should not be mistaken as being a ruling against following what God has commanded or as being a ruling against following what Christ taught by word and by example.

If you consider that "following what Christ taught by word and example" means keeping the law, then you must do that.
 
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Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the Law by teaching us how to correctly obey them by word and by example, which has nothing to do with causing it to be no longer needed. In Galatians 6:2, loving our neighbor fulfills the Law of Christ, which again has nothing to do with causing it to no longer be needed. Our salvation is from sin and sin is the transgression of God's law, so causing the law to no longer be needed would be removing our salvation. Living in obedience to God's law is what it means to receive the gift of Jesus saving us from living in transgression of it.
Umm, no. If you go back to the law Christ will be of no use to you.
You don't live sinless, so quit trying to put that burden on others.
 
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