So sad, so empty

We are particles on a certain level seeing it says of Adam,

"dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return"

So first man was not formed out of nothing but rather out of something, out of the dust particles of the earth by our Creator

Lilly54 said:

There really is no need for science and God to be separate and exclusive. Can they not be joined? There are scientists who are believers.

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Science is not, never was, nor will ever be the be-all-end-all field of knowledge. It helps us greatly with understanding the natural world, bringing technology and medicine. However, the humanities, such as history and art, help us understand PEOPLE, not just their numbers or DNA.

Sir John Bagot Glubb's essay, The Fate of Empires, states that in a typical empire's life cycle, the people start relying on science and mental cleverness to solve all of their problems instead of religion, moral values, and character development. This is known as The Age of Intellect, and is the second last era before an empire's downfall.

Here is a link to the essay. Very good read, I highly recommend it:

http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

Nothing new under the sun (Ecclesiastes 1:1-11, 7:10, Matthew 24:35). God bless!

Lilly54 said:

I was listening to a very clever accomplished theoretical physicist on Desert Island Discs. A very engaging, thinking man, top of his field. He sees the magic and beauty of the universe in terms of science only.

Then he gave his view on what we are, what he feels he is. A collection of particles, governed by the laws of physics. That's all. Created spontaneously, formed by evolution.

How utterly empty. How bleak. I would hate to be that clever, that soulless. To think i came from nowhere and will return to nothing.

I am glad i know and feel what i do as a Christian. I feel rich and blessed . i wish this scientist could know Jesus.

There really is no need for science and God to be separate and exclusive. Can they not be joined? There are scientists who are believers.

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A main obstacle today (in recent decades) to scientists that don't already know the full story of Christ to learning about Him is that they have heard the false idea that the Bible claims an age for the Earth, and that it claims (it nowhere does!) that the earth is 6,000 something years old (or under 10,000) -- which creates a deadly false impression for the lost about the Bible -- that the Bible seems it must be perhaps in part a failed book about cosmogony (a book trying to explain how Earth and the Universe came into being in a primitive but theory-like detail, and getting it wrong).

An illusion about what the bible is, created by Young Earth Creationists arguing their pet theories.

We that read it know in reality the Bible doesn't say anything about how old the Earth is, nor the Universe. Nor any other relatively trivial such things about mere physical quantities (age of Earth or Universe, distance to the sun, etc., numbers that don't ultimately matter at all) or other relatively unimportant science quantities.

Instead, the Bible is about our relationship with God, and bringing us back to Him.

Millions, perhaps even billions, now have gotten that false impression about the Bible, and so dismiss it out of hand, without even a chance to learn more about it.

They think it's a 'book from 2,000 years ago that claims the Earth is only 6,000 years old' for instance.

That's the fruit of young Earth creationism -- that illusion about the Bible.

That's how young Earth creationism became a block that will prevent people from hearing the gospel.

And why we need to teach Romans 14:1 Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on his opinions. to the young earth creationists, so that they can stop arguing about geology and distances and age of rocks and thereby blocking a chance to hear the saving Good News of the gospel for so many millions out there.

Rene Loup said:

Science is not, never was, nor will ever be the be-all-end-all field of knowledge. It helps us greatly with understanding the natural world, bringing technology and medicine. However, the humanities, such as history and art, help us understand PEOPLE, not just their numbers or DNA.

Sir John Bagot Glubb's essay, The Fate of Empires, states that in a typical empire's life cycle, the people start relying on science and mental cleverness to solve all of their problems instead of religion, moral values, and character development. This is known as The Age of Intellect, and is the second last era before an empire's downfall.

Here is a link to the essay. Very good read, I highly recommend it:

http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

Nothing new under the sun (Ecclesiastes 1:1-11, 7:10, Matthew 24:35). God bless!

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Could we then be close to the end of this age and ready to enter into Christ's millenial reign?

I absolutely believe God created science, since everything came from Him. What evolution scientists don't want to do is do basic study of the Bible. That or it is hidden from them until they come to a season in their life where they want to know Truth.

Atom is a Greek word for indivisible, and sounds very much like Adam in the Bible. Atoms are also made up of 3 particles: protons, neutrons and electrons. There is the Trinity in the Bible: Father God, Son of God and the Holy Spirit. Just as Atom is indivisible, so too is God. We are made in His image having a spirit, water and blood.

This is just "Elementary"

SongOnTheWind said:

Could we then be close to the end of this age and ready to enter into Christ's millenial reign?

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We can hope. Just remember, many empires throughout history have come and gone already.[1] For all we know, we could see the fall of the Western World within our own lifetime. In Glubb's essay, when an empire declines and falls, another stronger and more stable one often comes in and picks up the pieces. Rinse and repeat.

Of course, I believe in Bible prophecy. How does it play out? No one knows for sure, as it is a subject of intense debate. The Holy Bible says that not even the angels nor the Son knows when it will happen (Luke 17:20-37, Mark 13:32-37, Matthew 24:36-51).

Just try your best to be part of the solution, never the problem (Luke 14:1-35, Matthew 6:19-24, 25:31-46, 28:16-20, 2 Peter 2, 1 Timothy 6:1-10, 2 Timothy 3, 4:1-8). 1 Corinthians 13, Galatians 5:7-26, Luke 16:1-15, Exodus 20:1-17, basically the Greatest Commandment: To love God with all of our hearts, minds, souls, and strength, and to love others as ourselves. This is the Bible's entire moral code in a nutshell.

16 “I have told you these things to keep you from giving up. 2 People will put you out of their synagogues. Yes, the time is coming when whoever kills you will think that he is offering service to God. 3 They will do this because they have not known the Father and they have not known me. 4 I have told you these things now. So when the time comes, you will remember that I warned you.

The Work of the Holy Spirit
“I did not tell you these things at the beginning, because I was with you then.

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~John 16:1-4 (ICB)

The Promise of the Holy Spirit
15 “If you love me, you will do the things I command. 16 I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper. He will give you this Helper to be with you forever. 17 The Helper is the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him because it does not see him or know him. But you know him. He lives with you and he will be in you.

18 “I will not leave you all alone like orphans. I will come back to you. 19 In a little while the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you will live, too. 20 On that day you will know that I am in my Father. You will know that you are in me and I am in you. 21 He who knows my commands and obeys them is the one who loves me. And my Father will love him who loves me. I will love him and will show myself to him.”

22 Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you plan to show yourself to us, but not to the world?”

23 Jesus answered, “If anyone loves me, then he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 He who does not love me does not obey my teaching. This teaching that you hear is not really mine. It is from my Father, who sent me.

25 “I have told you all these things while I am with you. 26 But the Helper will teach you everything. He will cause you to remember all the things I told you. This Helper is the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in my name.

27 “I leave you peace. My peace I give you. I do not give it to you as the world does. So don’t let your hearts be troubled. Don’t be afraid. 28 You heard me say to you, ‘I am going, but I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you should be happy that I am going back to the Father because he is greater than I am. 29 I have told you this now, before it happens. Then when it happens, you will believe. 30 I will not talk with you much longer. The ruler of this world is coming. He has no power over me. 31 But the world must know that I love the Father. So I do exactly what the Father told me to do.

“Come now, let us go.

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~John 14:15-31 (ICB)

Bible Gateway passage: John 13-17 - King James Version
Bible Gateway passage: John 13-17 - New King James Version
Bible Gateway passage: John 13-17 - New International Version
Bible Gateway passage: John 13-17 - International Children’s Bible

God bless!

1. List of empires - Wikipedia

Lilly54 said:

I was listening to a very clever accomplished theoretical physicist on Desert Island Discs. A very engaging, thinking man, top of his field. He sees the magic and beauty of the universe in terms of science only.

Then he gave his view on what we are, what he feels he is. A collection of particles, governed by the laws of physics. That's all. Created spontaneously, formed by evolution.

How utterly empty. How bleak. I would hate to be that clever, that soulless. To think i came from nowhere and will return to nothing.

I am glad i know and feel what i do as a Christian. I feel rich and blessed . i wish this scientist could know Jesus.

There really is no need for science and God to be separate and exclusive. Can they not be joined? There are scientists who are believers.

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I don't think he can be all that clever a scientist if he thinks of particles as anything more than fields, or wispy pockets of energy.

Science derives from the Latin word Scientia meaning knowledge, except that it never truly arrives at knowledge, and really it never could. It is the process of building models that correspond to our experience of reality, which we can then play with to make predictions that enable us to engineer that reality into something different. So it's really useful, because it provides these models, but it doesn't arrive at knowledge, and never could because it is limited by our ability to perceive our reality, whatever that is.

God, if such a being exists, and if they are the source of reality, could never be reached by scientific endeavour, because unlike science, the nature of such a being would not be limited by our ability to perceive it.

Rene Loup said:

We can hope. Just remember, many empires throughout history have come and gone already.[1] For all we know, we could see the fall of the Western World within our own lifetime. In Glubb's essay, when an empire declines and falls, another stronger and more stable one often comes in and picks up the pieces. Rinse and repeat.

Of course, I believe in Bible prophecy. How does it play out? No one knows for sure, as it is a subject of intense debate. The Holy Bible says that not even the angels nor the Son knows when it will happen (Luke 17:20-37, Mark 13:32-37, Matthew 24:36-51).

Just try your best to be part of the solution, never the problem (Luke 14:1-35, Matthew 6:19-24, 25:31-46, 28:16-20, 2 Peter 2, 1 Timothy 6:1-10, 2 Timothy 3, 4:1-8). 1 Corinthians 13, Galatians 5:7-26, Luke 16:1-15, Exodus 20:1-17, basically the Greatest Commandment: To love God with all of our hearts, minds, souls, and strength, and to love others as ourselves. This is the Bible's entire moral code in a nutshell.


~John 16:1-4 (ICB)


~John 14:15-31 (ICB)

Bible Gateway passage: John 13-17 - King James Version
Bible Gateway passage: John 13-17 - New King James Version
Bible Gateway passage: John 13-17 - New International Version
Bible Gateway passage: John 13-17 - International Children’s Bible

God bless!

1. List of empires - Wikipedia

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Agreed, we can hope