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In the article a writers discussing how God hurts his followers (not the wicked however) in order to get us to realize we are his children.

He Scourges Those He Loves

God’s love does not orbit around our felt needs. He has our best, not our easiest, in mind. His love — dangerous, jealous, possessive — is the love that will consistently wound us to save us.

Have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him. For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.”

Hebrews 12:5–6

“Chastises” here can be translated “scourges” or “whips.” It is something to endure. Something unpleasant and rather painful. Something we wouldn’t sign up for. Something we’re tempted to despise. Something that doesn’t feel tender, gentle, or loving in the moment. But his whippings are just that. Look at the text.

He strikes those he loves and harms every son whom he receives. He doesn’t discipline Satan’s children, only his own (

Hebrews 12:8

These undesirable corrections, these marks of adoption, bring us to “share his holiness” and enjoy that “peaceful fruit of righteousness” leading to eternal life

Hebrews 12:10–11

His love has sharp edges — not to destroy us, but to sever us from all that threatens to. Instead of what we often perceive to be the stormings of our angry God, proof of his disgust with us, these corrections are, in fact, the unlikely evidences of his love. As Calvin put it,

It is an inestimable consolation — that the punishments by which our sins are chastened are evidences, not of God’s anger for our destruction, but rather of his paternal love, and are at the same time of assistance towards our salvation, for God is angry with us as his sons, whom he will not leave to perish.

He will not leave us to perish. When we wander toward cliffs, he corrals us with his rod back toward heaven. What feels to be the glory of the “god of love” — being left to our own way — is, in reality, his wrath, which bears the refrain: “God gave them up . . . gave them up . . . gave them up” (

Romans 1:24

Even Death Can Be Love.

That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died. . . . But when we are judged by the Lord, we are disciplined so that we may not be condemned along with the world. (

1 Corinthians 11:30

God’s love does not sit by quietly, contentedly, while we wander off into destruction. It does not stand by and watch his bride play the harlot. It finds us. Redeems us. Washes us. Transforms us. Disciplines us. And sometimes it kills us.

Is this picture incompatible with the God you worship? The God who, out of love for you, will harm you in order to save you? A love that will cut, break, and cause you to bleed — like an expert surgeon — in order to heal you?

Yet God’s love, as found in the Bible, is a fire that consumes dross, a chisel that molds into his own perfection, an eternal embrace that chokes out all rivals, a sharp scalpel intended to give real life and strong happiness far beyond the grave. This love has greater aims than our comfort, our health, or our safety — in this life. This love is fiercer and deeper than we often assume, better and stronger than we often want. This love can harm us, and this love can kill us.

God sent Paul to numerous places knowing Paul would suffer.

TLDR; this is an article saying basically God hurts you out of his love

link: to full thing Would a Loving God Wound Me?

I recently got into Christian websites like desiring god and was reading this article that didn't make me feel right. Is any of this true? Does God constantly harm his children to better them? I'm new to Christianity sorta so I'm not sure what the Bible fully says but this is some dark stuff. Will God cause me harm now that I'm a Christian?
 

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Hello @saraali, God promises to sanctify us from here to Glory FOR OUR GOOD/to make us more and more like His Son/more and more Christlike .. Philippians 1:6, 2:13, Hebrews 12:7-11. What we may see as harmful or as a hardship, God turns into "good" in the end for our sake (even though it may seem like anything else but "good" when we are going through the hardship He has allowed to happen).

In fact, God promises that He will use everything that we experience in this life for our good, both the things that we perceive as being good, and the things that we perceive as being evil/bad as well :amen: .. e.g. Romans 8:28.

As missionary/author Elisabeth Elliot said in a couple of her quotes,

Our vision is so limited we can hardly imagine a love that does not show itself in protection from suffering.... The love of God did not protect His own Son.... He will not necessarily protect us - not from anything it takes to make us like His Son. A lot of hammering and chiseling and purifying by fire will have to go into the process.

This hard place in which you perhaps find yourself is the very place in which God is giving you opportunity to look only to Him, to spend time in prayer, and to learn long-suffering, gentleness, meekness - in short, to learn the depths of the love that Christ Himself has poured out on all of us.

And as theologian/pastor A. W. Pink said,

Instead of a river, God often gives us a brook, which may be running today and dried up tomorrow. Why? To teach us not to rest in our blessings, but in the Blesser Himself.
Unlike us, God knows how deep the brutish love that we have for this world truly is but, PTL, He also knows the best ways to help us turn our gaze from this fallen world and all of its lusts and get them focused where they need to be again, on Him .. e.g. Psalms 37:4 (and on our future life with Him in Glory).

God bless you!

--David

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"We know that God causes all things to work together
for good to those who love God, to those who
are called according to His purpose."

Romans 8:28
 
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In the article a writers discussing how God hurts his followers (not the wicked however) in order to get us to realize we are his children.

He Scourges Those He Loves

God’s love does not orbit around our felt needs. He has our best, not our easiest, in mind. His love — dangerous, jealous, possessive — is the love that will consistently wound us to save us.

Have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him. For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.”

Hebrews 12:5–6

“Chastises” here can be translated “scourges” or “whips.” It is something to endure. Something unpleasant and rather painful. Something we wouldn’t sign up for. Something we’re tempted to despise. Something that doesn’t feel tender, gentle, or loving in the moment. But his whippings are just that. Look at the text.

He strikes those he loves and harms every son whom he receives. He doesn’t discipline Satan’s children, only his own (

Hebrews 12:8

These undesirable corrections, these marks of adoption, bring us to “share his holiness” and enjoy that “peaceful fruit of righteousness” leading to eternal life

Hebrews 12:10–11

His love has sharp edges — not to destroy us, but to sever us from all that threatens to. Instead of what we often perceive to be the stormings of our angry God, proof of his disgust with us, these corrections are, in fact, the unlikely evidences of his love. As Calvin put it,

It is an inestimable consolation — that the punishments by which our sins are chastened are evidences, not of God’s anger for our destruction, but rather of his paternal love, and are at the same time of assistance towards our salvation, for God is angry with us as his sons, whom he will not leave to perish.

He will not leave us to perish. When we wander toward cliffs, he corrals us with his rod back toward heaven. What feels to be the glory of the “god of love” — being left to our own way — is, in reality, his wrath, which bears the refrain: “God gave them up . . . gave them up . . . gave them up” (

Romans 1:24

Even Death Can Be Love.

That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died. . . . But when we are judged by the Lord, we are disciplined so that we may not be condemned along with the world. (

1 Corinthians 11:30

God’s love does not sit by quietly, contentedly, while we wander off into destruction. It does not stand by and watch his bride play the harlot. It finds us. Redeems us. Washes us. Transforms us. Disciplines us. And sometimes it kills us.

Is this picture incompatible with the God you worship? The God who, out of love for you, will harm you in order to save you? A love that will cut, break, and cause you to bleed — like an expert surgeon — in order to heal you?

Yet God’s love, as found in the Bible, is a fire that consumes dross, a chisel that molds into his own perfection, an eternal embrace that chokes out all rivals, a sharp scalpel intended to give real life and strong happiness far beyond the grave. This love has greater aims than our comfort, our health, or our safety — in this life. This love is fiercer and deeper than we often assume, better and stronger than we often want. This love can harm us, and this love can kill us.

God sent Paul to numerous places knowing Paul would suffer.

TLDR; this is an article saying basically God hurts you out of his love

link: to full thing Would a Loving God Wound Me?

I recently got into Christian websites like desiring god and was reading this article that didn't make me feel right. Is any of this true? Does God constantly harm his children to better them? I'm new to Christianity sorta so I'm not sure what the Bible fully says but this is some dark stuff. Will God cause me harm now that I'm a Christian?

Is this any different than a parent disciplining their child? Spankings, having privileges taken away, being put in time out, being grounded etc?
 
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TLDR; this is an article saying basically God hurts you out of his love

link: to full thing Would a Loving God Wound Me?

I recently got into Christian websites like desiring god and was reading this article that didn't make me feel right. Is any of this true? Does God constantly harm his children to better them? I'm new to Christianity sorta so I'm not sure what the Bible fully says but this is some dark stuff. Will God cause me harm now that I'm a Christian?

No. God's desire is not to harm you. In the gospel of Matthew Jesus says that his burden is easy, and his yoke is light. Please, seek other sources of encouragement than the website you've referenced.

Of course, life will not always be easy. God helps us through those times, as a loving parent, teacher, or companion. God is not a sadistic taskmaster, setting us scourging trials. We may try ourselves, or evil may tempt us, but that is not the lord's desire for us.

The Christian life can be a challenge, but then any life is a challenge. The promise is that we will be given the fruit of the spirit, not fear. If your sources of teaching are giving you nothing but pain and fear, look for other teachers.
 
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Will God cause me harm now that I'm a Christian?

Question for you.

So something horrible happens to you. What will you do?

Hell What are you doing God. Go and get drunk. Sink to the floor crying. Pray desperately to God for faith to trust him and for the ability to get through this situation.

Or will you do most of the above?

If you get drunk, drive your car and in an accident kill someone. Who is to blame?
If you smoke and get lung cancer. Who is to blame?
Being laid off due to the economic situation isn't your fault, but you still have to get through it.


What I'm getting at is just what are you trusting God for?

There are no promises of an easy life for Christians.
Jesus said we can expect to be treated in the same way he was treated.

What is Jesus to you?
 
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The Lord loves us and it speaks of his own chastisement of us

1Cr 11:32 But when we are judged,
we are **chastened of** the Lord,
that we should not be condemned with the world
.

To chasten means


1) to train children
a)
to be instructed or taught or learn
b) to cause one to learn
2)
to chastise
a) to chastise or castigate with words, to correct
1)
of those who are moulding the character of others by reproof and admonition
b) of God
1)
to chasten by the affliction of evils and calamities
c) to chastise with blows, to scourge
1)
of a father punishing his son
2)
of a judge ordering one to be scourged


Chastening (by a loving God) or being rebuked of Him are shown together here

Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children,

My son, despise not thou
the chastening of the Lord,
nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:


Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten:
be zealous therefore, and repent.


Punishment is the same

1) rebuke, correction, reproof, punishment, chastisement


Chastisement is grievous, the cry in the Psalm says

Psalm 39:10 Remove thy stroke away from me:
I am consumed by the blow of thine hand.


Next verse reads,

Psalm 39:11 When thou with rebukes dost correct man for iniquity...


Its not joyous but grievous (as David cries, "I am consumed by the blow of thine hand") just as Hebrews states

Heb 12:11 No chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous:
nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Look at the word afflicted here, one of the words is "exercised by" likewise

Pslam 119:75 I know, O LORD, that thy judgments are right, and that thou in faithfulness hast afflicted me.


Again, do not faint when thou art rebuked of him but be encouraged

Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth,
and scourgeth every son whom **he receiveth**


Worry if you are here

Heb 12:8 But if ye be **without** chastisement, whereof all are partakers, **then are ye** bastards, and not sons


Shows what is bound up in us (foolishness)

Prov 22: 15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but
the rod of correction
**shall drive it** far from him
.


Just as it speaks of inward stripes

Prov 20:30 The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil:
so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.

Even as Jesus speaks of stripes (blows) the difference between a teenager and a toddler

Luke 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes

Luke 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes,
shall be beaten with few stripes
.

Deut 8:5 Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, that, as a man chasteneth his son, so the LORD thy God chasteneth thee.


Job 5:17 Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth:
therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty

Its something to endure when God deals with us

Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?


Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure;but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

In the end its about partaking of his holiness

Lam 3:39 Wherefore doth a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins?

There are others but this is a good thing, not a bad.
 
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