Jesus was a Jew

Mike Tang said:

If Jesus was a Jew and followed all the Jewish laws and traditions, why don't Christians do the same ? Isn't Christianity basically a continuation of Judaism, rather than a REPLACEMENT ?

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The gentile Church does not follow all of the Jewish laws. See Acts 15. As time passed and the Church became established all of the ceremonial laws fell into disuse. But then even a gentile follower of Judaism isn't required to keep the Jewish law.

Mike Tang said:

If Jesus was a Jew and followed all the Jewish laws and traditions, why don't Christians do the same ? Isn't Christianity basically a continuation of Judaism, rather than a REPLACEMENT ?

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Jesus being a Jew isnt proof that we should follow all the laws sent to moses of course the laws arent abolished but they are furfilled i really starting to think us as christians forgot what Jesus furfillment on the cross and his ministry was all about this is what our holy scriptures say about the law
The law is weak, useless and makes nothing perfect. (Hebrews 7:18-19)
God has found fault with it and created a better covenant, enacted on better promises. (Hebrews 8:7-8)
It is obsolete, growing old and ready to vanish. (Hebrews 8:13)
It is only a shadow of good things to come and will never make someone perfect. (Hebrews 10:1)
It was made for the unrighteous but not for the righteous. (1 Timothy 1:9-10)
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace (Ephesians 2:15)
The law justifies nobody. (Galatians 2:16)
Christians are dead to the law. (Galatians 2:19)
The law frustrates grace. (Galatians 2:21)
To go back to the law after embracing faith is “stupid”. (Galatians 3:1)
The law curses all who practice it and fail to do it perfectly. (Galatians 3:10)
The law has nothing to do with faith. (Galatians 3:11-12)
The law was a curse that Christ redeemed us from. (Galatians 3:13)
The law functioned in God’s purpose as a temporary covenant from Moses till John the Baptist announced Christ. (Galatians 3:16 & 19, also see… Matthew 11:12-13, Luke 16:16)
If the law worked God would have used it to save us. (Galatians 3:21)
The law was our prison. (Galatians 3:23)
The law makes you a slave like Hagar. (Galatians 4:24)
Christians are saved by grace, not by works. The Apostle Paul stresses this more than any other New Testament writer, stating clearly that no one will be saved by the works of the law (Gal. 3:11; Romans 3:20). In other words, no one is going to be declared innocent before God based upon keeping His commandments, because we don’t. We have all broken His commandments. This puts us in the category of lawbreakers who deserve the just penalty of our crime — eternal death. But that’s where the gospel comes in. Part of the gospel is that Jesus kept the law of God perfectly and the Father applies Christ’s perfect obedience to us, as if we have perfectly obeyed the law. That’s what grace is — God giving us what we do not deserve — a salvation that He has provided in Christ.

Mike Tang said:

If Jesus was a Jew and followed all the Jewish laws and traditions, why don't Christians do the same ? Isn't Christianity basically a continuation of Judaism, rather than a REPLACEMENT ?

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To a certain extent, Christianity does continue (or fulfill) Judaism, but Christ quite obviously brought a whole new and very important dimension into that tradition. And he said that he'd founded a new church, so we are not just assuming something for no good reason.

Mike Tang said:

If Jesus was a Jew and followed all the Jewish laws and traditions, why don't Christians do the same ? Isn't Christianity basically a continuation of Judaism, rather than a REPLACEMENT ?

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I'm not Jewish. If I were to do those things I would be playing pretend, and I don't think that's particularly respectful to Judaism, Jesus, or to Christianity.

-CryptoLutheran

Mike Tang said:

If Jesus was a Jew and followed all the Jewish laws and traditions, why don't Christians do the same ? Isn't Christianity basically a continuation of Judaism, rather than a REPLACEMENT ?

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I agree....One should follow and is under the law until they are born from above, after which they are no longer under or affected by it. Until this day, it is wise to understand and do the law to have a better life and blessing down here.... This is why, those that speak against the law are considered least in the kingdom of heaven.....

ViaCrucis said:

I'm not Jewish. If I were to do those things I would be playing pretend, and I don't think that's particularly respectful to Judaism, Jesus, or to Christianity.

-CryptoLutheran

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AMEN

Mike Tang said:

If Jesus was a Jew and followed all the Jewish laws and traditions, why don't Christians do the same ? Isn't Christianity basically a continuation of Judaism, rather than a REPLACEMENT ?

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New Covenant replaced Old; and therefore new terms and laws. Scripture covers this explicitly and at length.

We are of another fold.

John 10:16, NASB: "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice; and they will become one flock, with one shepherd."

Mike Tang said:

If Jesus was a Jew and followed all the Jewish laws and traditions, why don't Christians do the same ? Isn't Christianity basically a continuation of Judaism, rather than a REPLACEMENT ?

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Jesus came with a new covenant. He was the final sacrifice, as the Bible say. All Jewish sacrifices were pointing towards this event. The old covenant laws were no longer required.

Mike Tang said:

If Jesus was a Jew and followed all the Jewish laws and traditions, why don't Christians do the same ? Isn't Christianity basically a continuation of Judaism, rather than a REPLACEMENT ?

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Judaism is completed, fulfilled, finished in Christianity.

That which is completed has accomplished its purpose and is replaced by the completion.

The purpose of the Jewish sacrifices, feasts, cleansings, etc. were to be a picture/pattern/shadow/type of the person and work of the Christ (Messiah). When the Christ arrived, the picture was no longer needed, being replaced by the reality itself.

Christianity is not a continuation of Judaism, it is the fulfillment of Judaism, it is the new order of the New Covenant, with a new High Priest, new Mediator between God and man, new Lawgiver, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, justification by faith apart from works of the law (Romans 3:21, Romans 3:28, Romans 4:5), etc.

Mike Tang said:

If Jesus was a Jew and followed all the Jewish laws and traditions, why don't Christians do the same ? Isn't Christianity basically a continuation of Judaism, rather than a REPLACEMENT ?

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Christ did not come to start his own religion following a different God, but rather he came to bring fullness to Judaism as its Jewish Messiah in fulfillment of Jewish prophecy. He practiced Judaism by living in sinless obedience to the Torah and spent his ministry teaching his followers of how to obey it by word and by example, and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6), and to be imitators of Paul as he was an imitator of Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1). In Acts 21:20, they were rejoicing that tens of thousands of Jews were coming to faith who were all zealous for the Torah, so they were not ceasing to obey the Torah, which means that all Christians were Torah observant Jews for roughly the first 7-15 years after Christ's resurrection up until the inclusion of Gentiles in Acts 10. So Christianity at its origin was the form of Judaism that recognized Jesus as its prophesied Messiah, which means that Christianity is the continuation of Judaism.

Soyeong said:

Christ did not come to start his own religion following a different God, but rather he came to bring fullness to Judaism as its Jewish Messiah in fulfillment of Jewish prophecy. He practiced Judaism by living in sinless obedience to the Torah and spent his ministry teaching his followers of how to obey it by word and by example, and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6), and to be imitators of Paul as he was an imitator of Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1). In Acts 21:20, they were rejoicing that tens of thousands of Jews were coming to faith who were all zealous for the Torah, so they were not ceasing to obey the Torah, which means that all Christians were Torah observant Jews for roughly the first 7-15 years after Christ's resurrection up until the inclusion of Gentiles in Acts 10. So Christianity at its origin was the form of Judaism that recognized Jesus as its prophesied Messiah, which means that Christianity is the continuation of Judaism.

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If Judaism continues then circumcision continues, if circumcision ceases, then the law ceases.

klutedavid said:

If Judaism continues then circumcision continues, if circumcision ceases, then the law ceases.

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Paul said that circumcision has much value in every way (Romans 3:1-2).

Hmmm

Romans 3:3
What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness?

Soyeong said:

Paul said that circumcision has much value in every way (Romans 3:1-2).

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Yes he did say that because it is the law.

Though circumcision for the Gentiles is forbidden.

Galatians 3:12
However, the Law is not of faith, on the contrary, “He who practices them shall live by them.”

The law has no place in the Christian life, the law is not of faith!

Galatians 5:1
It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.

The 'yoke of slavery' is the law.

Galatians 5:2
Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you.

You have been told.

Jesus sprang out of Judah, of which tribe Moses said nothing about the priesthood right?

The law made nothing perfect, Jesus is a priest after the order Melchisedec not Aaron.

I dont know, did Melchisedec have circumcision too?

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Soyeong said:

Christ did not come to start his own religion following a different God, but rather he came to bring fullness to Judaism as its Jewish Messiah in fulfillment of Jewish prophecy.
He practiced Judaism by living in sinless obedience to the Torah and spent his ministry teaching his followers of how to obey it by word and by example,

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Jesus was born, live, teached and died under the Old Covenant. We would expect no less that his conformity to it, in order to fulfill it and issue in the new order of the New Covenant after his death.

and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6), and to be imitators of Paul as he was an imitator of Christ (1Corinthians 11:1).

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So they are obligated to observe circumcision, the feasts, etc.?

Not according to Paul (Galatians 4:9-11).

In Acts 21:20, they were rejoicing that tens of thousands of Jews were coming to faith who were all zealous for the Torah,

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Another false construct in the attemp to Judaize the gospel. The text reads:
"Paul greeted them and reported in detail what God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. When they heard this, they praised God."

so they were not ceasing to obey the Torah, which means that all Christians were Torah observant Jews for roughly the first 7-15 years after Christ's resurrection up until the inclusion of Gentiles in Acts 10.

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Which means:
it was God's purpose all along, but had to be specially revealed to Peter that the Gentiles were to be included in the NT gospel,

the gospel is the fulfillment, not the continuation of Judaism, for the old order which has fulfilled its purpose in a new order, transitions into the new order,

the old covenant is obsolete (Hebrews 8:13), and has passed, there is only one covenant, the New Covenant, made in the blood of the Messiah, not in the blood of bulls and goats,

the two commandments of Messiah (Matthew 22:37-41), surpassing the Decalogue in both scope and responsibility, are the law for the new order,

which means their zealousness for the old order was neither a virtue nor model, but a weakness and mistake in being so fond of the shadows of the law when they had the reality itself in Christ (Colossians 2:17).

But So Christianity at its origin was the form of Judaism that recognized Jesus as its prophesied Messiah, which means that Christianity is the continuation of Judaism.

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And the weakness and mistake continues where such fondness for the shadows of the law continues.

Fulfillment is not continuation, it is a change to the fulfillment.

Mike Tang said:

If Jesus was a Jew and followed all the Jewish laws and traditions, why don't Christians do the same ? Isn't Christianity basically a continuation of Judaism, rather than a REPLACEMENT ?

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No, Jesus fulfilled all the requirements of the law so it was no longer needed. He is our salvation, not the old covenant regulations.