How to fall from grace

Sidon said:

Notice that you are trying to keep the law, while "Christ has redeemed the born again FROM the curse of the Law".

So, you are trying to KEEP, what Jesus died to free you from.....

We are not saved to then go back under the law.
we are saved to exist in this world as LIGHTS.

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In Deuteronomy 28:1-14, it describes the blessing of living in obedience to God's law while verses 15-68 describe the curse of living in disobedience to the law, so being set free from the curse of the law is being set free to enjoy the blessing of living in obedience to it. In Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, which is what the Law of God was given to instruct us how to do. Furthermore, Titus 2:14 does not say that Christ gave himself to redeem us from God's law, but in order to redeem us from all lawlessness. Jesus did not given himself to redeem us from all lawlessness so that we could return to our lawlessness. In Ephesians 2:10, we have been made new creations in Christ in order to do good works, and God's law is His instructions for how to do good works, so being born again is about dying to living in sin and rising again in newness of life in obedience to the Law of God, not the other way around. In 1 John 3:4-10, those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to God's law are not children of God. Our salvation is from sin and sin is the transgression of the Law of God, so Jesus teaching graciously teaching us to live in obedience to the Law of God is itself part of the content of our salvation. God's law is often equated with being light (Proverbs 6:23), so God's law is His instructions for how to exist in this world as lights (Matthew 5:13-16).

Sidon said:

There is a cult that pretends to be "christian", that teaches that Jesus is talking to some of the born again, in the verse that says to "depart, i never knew you".
So, be careful of this cult, as its extremely Legalistic and Cross denying.

Jesus can never say to any born again person that "i never knew you'", when in fact, Jesus lives IN all the born again, which means it would be impossible for Christ not to "know" you, if He lives IN YOU>
So, be wary of the cult that tries to teach your verse, as if its talking to the born again.

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Jesus would never tell those who are born again that he never knew them because no born again person is a worker of lawlessness. Again, in 1 John 3:10, those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to God's law are not born again. Christ set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Law of God, he did not hypocritically preach something other than what he practiced, and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6), so being a Christ is not about refusing to follow Christ. Christ lived in obedience to God's law, so that is also what it looks like when he is living in us. In Matthew 7:23, it is a warning for those who might think that they are born again, but who are actually workers of lawlessness. God's law is His instructions for how to know Christ and knowing Christ is a requirement for salvation. In 1 John 2:4, those who say that they know Christ, but don't obey His commands are liars and the truth is not in them, and in 1 John 3:4-6, sin is the transgression of God's law and those who continue to practice sin have neither seen nor know him.

Sidon said:

There is a cult that pretends to be "christian", that teaches that Jesus is talking to some of the born again, in the verse that says to "depart, i never knew you".
So, be careful of this cult, as its extremely Legalistic and Cross denying.

Jesus can never say to any born again person that "i never knew you'", when in fact, Jesus lives IN all the born again, which means it would be impossible for Christ not to "know" you, if He lives IN YOU>
So, be wary of the cult that tries to teach your verse, as if its talking to the born again.

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Jesus sent angels to the seven churches, rebuking most of them.

Of special note, Jesus to the church of Laodicea:


Jesus gives a final warning:

Soyeong said:

Paul spoke about multiple different categories of law other than the Law of God,

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Those "categories" being:

1) References to "the law" are to the law of God given at Sinai (Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers).
2) Refereces to "God's law" are to the laws given at Sinai.
3) References to the "law of sin" are to the diposition to sin, to practice sin, of the natural sinful nature (the "flesh").
4) References to the "law of my mind" are to the disposition of the spiritual regenerate nature.
5) References to "law keeping" in relation to law vs. faith are to the laws given at Sinai.
6) References to the "law of works" are to the principle of righteousness by law keeping, not to the laws themelves.
7) References to the "law of faith" are to the principle of righteouslness by faith apart from works, not to faith itself.
8) The law was not given to make righteous, but to reveal sin (Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7), to increase sin (Romans 5:20, Romans 7:8).

such as the law of sin and works of the law, so it is important to correctly identify which law he was saying that we are not under.

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We are not under the laws given at Sinai.
The Decalogue is fulfilled in two new laws (Matthew 22:37-41) which are not stated in the Decalogue, which two laws are much more inclusive than is the written code of the Decalogue.

For example, in Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law of works with a law of faith,

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Paul is not referring to the written legal code itself, he is referring to the principle of righteousness by law keeping and the principle of righteousness by faith, not to faith itself. The law in these cases is a principle, as in the law of gravity is a principle, not a written legal code.

and in Romans 7:25, he contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin.

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Paul is contrasting the "law of my mind," his spiritual (regenerate) nature, with the "law of sin," his natural (sinful) nature, in their conflict with one another under the law, from which Jesus Christ rescues him through righteousnessw by faith instead of law keeping.

Paul said that the Law of God is not sinful , but how we know what sin is (Romans 7:7), that it is holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) and that he delighted in obeying (Romans 7:22), but contrasted that with the law of sin, which stirs up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death (Romans 7:5), and which is a law that is sinful.

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The "law of sin" does not refer to a "sinful" written legal code of any kind, but to his own natural (sinful) nature with its disposition to sin, which wars with "the law of my mind;" i.e., his spiritual (regenerate) nature, when he was operating under the principle of righteousness by law keeping, and which struggle is ended by Jesus Christ and the principle of righteousness by faith apart from law-keeping (Romans 3:21, Romans 3:28, Romans 4:5).

When the Law of God reveals our sin, then that leads us to repent and causes sin to decrease, however, the law of sin causes sin to increase, so it is the opposite of the Law of God, so verses that refer to a law that is sinful, that causes sin to increase, or that hinders us from obeying the Law of God are referring to the law of sin,

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Actually,
1) the "law that is sinful;" i.e., "law of sin," is his natural (sinful) nature, not a legal written code.
2) the "law that causes sin to increase" is "God's law," which process is explained in
Romans 7:7-25, where we find: "sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. . .the very commandment that was intended to bring life, actually brought death. . .but in order that sin might be recognized as sin. . .so that sin might be utterly sinful" as the very purpose for which the law was given.

such as Romans 5:20, 1 Corinthians 15:56, Galatians 2:19, and Galatians 5:16-18. In Romans 6:14, Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin how dominion over us, which does not describe the law of God, which is a law where holiness, righteousness, and goodness have dominion over us, but rather it is again the law of sin where sin had dominion over us.

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The "law of sin" is the disposition to sin of the natural (sinful) nature which the regenerate through faith are no longer under.

It is not the case that there is a God of graciousness and a different God of righteousness and we need to be choose which one to be under, but rather those have always been compatible character traits of the same God, which He expressed throughout both the OT and the NT (Exodus 34:6-7), so the third option is under both grace and the Law of God, but not the law of sin.

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"Under grace" is under the two commandments of Jesus (Matthew 22:37-41), which are not in the Decalogue, but which fulfill and surpass the incomplete Decalogue in the practice of righteousness under grace, for loving our neighbor requires much more than is specificed in the Decalogue; i.e., concern for his well being as for our own.

In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by making known to him His ways that he might know Him, and His people too, and there are many verses that describe the Law of God as being instructions for how to walk in His ways, such as Deuteronomy 10:12-13, Isaiah 2:2-3, Joshua 22:5, Psalms 103:7, and many others. In Psalms 119:29-30, David wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and to choose the way of faithfulness.

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Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21)

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Salvation from sin is salvation from the penalty for sin--condemnation (Romans 5:18) to God's wrath (Romans 5:9).

and sin is the transgression of the Law of God (1 John 3:4), so our salvation is: being saved from living in transgression of the Law of God so that we can be free to live in obedience to it,

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This construct:
salvation from sin = saved from transgressing the law = free to live in obedience to the law
is nowhere presented in the NT, and is an attempt to redirect the NT meaning of salvation from eternal death, to mean salvation from NT transgression of the law.
It is Judaizing the gospel, which Paul anathematizes (Galatians 1:6-9).

NT law is the two commandments of Jesus (Matthew 22:37-41), for which there is no written code to transgress, but a much higher code of a conscious accountable to God

so the saved are under the Law of God and not under lawlessness. It is contradictory for someone who think that they aren't under the Law of God to also think that they need salvation from transgressing it. In Ephesians 2:10, we have been made new creations in Christ in order to do good works, and the Law of God is His instructions for how to do good works, so the born again person who goes back under lawlessness is rejecting being born again. In 1 John 3:10, those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to the Law of God are not children of God. In Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so God graciously teaching us to obey His laws for how to do that is itself part of the content of His gift of salvation. Furthermore, in Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law of God is what it means to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross (Acts 21:20), while to return to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from is rejecting what he accomplished on the cross.

In Deuteronomy 28:1-14, it lists the blessings of living in obedience to the law while verse 15-68 list the curses for living in disobedience to the law, so being set free from the curse of the law is being set free to enjoy the blessing of the law. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the Law of God, so our obedience to it has always been about putting our faith in Christ and has never been about trying to earn our salvation through having a good enough performance. In Romans 4:4-5, our justification is not something that can be earned as a wage, so the Law of God was never given as a means of earning our justification. The way to fall from grace is by refusing to come under the Law of God.

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Sidon said:

Jesus is the author of the New Testament.
IF God wanted us to live under the law, obsessed with the Old Testament, He would not have come down here to Die on The Cross, to deliver us from "the curse of the Law".
"Jesus HAS delivered us from the curse of the law".
We the born again, "are not under the law, but UNDER GRACE".

"the LAW is the power of SIN".

Not good to live there.

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Jesus set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Law of God and did not hypocritically preach something other than what he practiced, so he taught how to obey it both by word and by example, and we should follow what he taught, and there as never been someone else whose teachings were more thoroughly rooted in the OT. About 1/3 of the verses in the NT quoted or alluded to the OT and the NT authors did this thousands of times in order too show that it supported what they were saying and that they hadn't deserted with it, so they were obsessed with the OT and still considered it to be authoritative.

The Bible repeatedly says that those who live in obedience to the Law of God will be blessed while those who live in disobedience to it will be cursed, so being set free from the curse of the law is being set free from living in disobedience to it so that we can be free to live in obedience to it, not the other way around. Sadly, you have rejected the blessing of the law in order to embrace the curse of the law when Christ has set us free from the curse of the law. Again, in Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself on the cross to set us free from any laws, but in order to redeem us from all lawlessness. Again, in Ephesians 2:10, we have been made new creations in Christ in order to do good works, not in order to be free from doing good works. In 1 John 3:10, those who do not practice righteousness sin obedience to God's law are not born again. In Psalms 119:29, David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, so that is what it means to be under grace, while the law that we are not under when we are under grace is the law of sin. It is the law of sin that is the power of sin, not the Law of God, which is not sinful (Romans 7:7).

Sidon said:

We the born again, are as sinless as Christ and as Righteous as God.
This is the eternal effect of the Blood Atonement.
We have already Eternal Life.
It is in fact "the GIFT of Righteousness" and "the GIFT of Salvation".
WE, the born again are 'Made Righteous".

So, its not possible for us of ourselves to be holy, or righteous.
If this was possible, then Jesus didn't have to suffer and die.

The good news, is that by Christ's sacrifice, God's very righteousness has become who we are 'In Christ".
So, the blood of Jesus has established us as "the righteousness of God in Christ".

The way to understand this, is to realize that we the born again, START Finished.
In other words, the instant we are born again, we have become NEW CREATIONS< "In Christ", ;and our righteousness is the same as the Blood Atonement that has made us righteous.

We are then to "work out our salvation".
This means that we have it, we have salvation, and now we are to learn how to exist within it.
This is our DISCIPLESHIP.

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So you think George Sodini, and Kenneth Nally were saved?

Sidon said:

We the born again, are as sinless as Christ and as Righteous as God.
This is the eternal effect of the Blood Atonement.
We have already Eternal Life.
It is in fact "the GIFT of Righteousness" and "the GIFT of Salvation".
WE, the born again are 'Made Righteous".

So, its not possible for us of ourselves to be holy, or righteous.
If this was possible, then Jesus didn't have to suffer and die.

The good news, is that by Christ's sacrifice, God's very righteousness has become who we are 'In Christ".
So, the blood of Jesus has established us as "the righteousness of God in Christ".

The way to understand this, is to realize that we the born again, START Finished.
In other words, the instant we are born again, we have become NEW CREATIONS< "In Christ", ;and our righteousness is the same as the Blood Atonement that has made us righteous.

We are then to "work out our salvation".
This means that we have it, we have salvation, and now we are to learn how to exist within it.
This is our DISCIPLESHIP.

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We express our character traits through our actions, so to describe God as righteous is to describe Him as being someone who does what is righteous. So to say that we have become the righteousness of God in Christ is to say that we have the gift of being someone who does what is righteousness in obedience to God's instructions for how to do that found in His law in accordance with the example that Christ set for us to follow.

Sidon said:

Paul would never tell anyone they can be justified by any law or any commandment.
If he did that he'd be lying.
In fact, he said that trying to do that is "dung"...

Read Philippians 3

So, Paul teaches only justification by faith through the blood of Jesus.

As a matter of fact, the OT Covenant, > God removed, as God said He "found Fault" with it.
Hebrews 8:7
The reason that God found fault with The OT, the Old Covenant, and law and commandments, is because they can't give you righteousness, and that is why He "found fault" with all that, and replaced it with what CAN give you Righteousness.

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In Philippians 3: Paul was referring to the Old Law (i.e. the 613 laws of Moses as a whole or package deal), and he was not referring to the Laws of Christ. Please prove your case that Paul was referring to not obeying the Laws of Christ. What do you make of 1 Timothy 6:3-4?

Also, with Philippians 3, we learn that Paul is for obedience in the previous chapter. For we read:


Notice, that the apostle Paul is not commending any kind of disobedience because he says that the brethren had always obeyed even in his absence. Paul also tells these types of believers to work out their salvation with fear and trembling. So this is not a walk in the park kind of view of salvation going on here that you are promoting. What is the context of working out your salvation with fear and trembling? It says that God works in us to will and do of His good pleasure. So the context is our Sanctification. The goal is to be blameless and without rebuke in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation (or people). Our holy conduct is how we shine as lights in the world. But if we are just as crooked as unbelievers, and we do not live a holy life, then we are not shining as lights in the world. We shine the light of Christ in us when we submit to the will of Christ in our lives to do that which is holy and good. Preaching a sin and still be saved type gospel is not living a holy life because it will lead others to treat God's grace as a license for immorality. They will think they can do evil in the name of the Lord and be saved. This is wrong.

You said:

This is the New Testament BLood Atonement, that you find as Jesus dying for your sin.
So, based on the Blood of Jesus, we find that God created a New Covenant, a NEW TESTAMENT, and this is all based on the Cross and the Blood of Jesus and Faith.

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When you read Romans 3:25, you also have to read and believe verses like 1 John 1:7, too. For it says if we walk in the light as He (Christ) is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.

The light is God (i.e. God the Father) according to 1 John 1:5.
Walking in the light is loving your brother according to the indirect wording in 1 John 2:9-11.
So you have to walk in the light (by loving your brother) in order for the blood of Jesus to cleanse you from all sin. This is confirmed in 1 John 3:10 that says: “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” This is confirmed in 1 John 3:15 that says: “Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.”

Sidon said:

Paul would never tell anyone they can be justified by any law or any commandment.
If he did that he'd be lying.
In fact, he said that trying to do that is "dung"...

Read Philippians 3

So, Paul teaches only justification by faith through the blood of Jesus.

As a matter of fact, the OT Covenant, > God removed, as God said He "found Fault" with it.
Hebrews 8:7
The reason that God found fault with The OT, the Old Covenant, and law and commandments, is because they can't give you righteousness, and that is why He "found fault" with all that, and replaced it with what CAN give you Righteousness.
This is the New Testament BLood Atonement, that you find as Jesus dying for your sin.
So, based on the Blood of Jesus, we find that God created a New Covenant, a NEW TESTAMENT, and this is all based on the Cross and the Blood of Jesus and Faith.

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Also, when you read Hebrews 8:7, you also have to read Hebrews 8:10 that says,


So the idea here is obedience and not disobedience (by thinking we can sin and still be saved by having a belief alone on Jesus).


This is in context of this:


If you skip back it says this:


So a person can willfully sin in the New Covenant and if they do so, there remains no more sacrifice for sin. Just as it was with the Law of Moses, the punishment is similiar if we despise in keeping God's laws while under the Spirit of grace.

For we can harden our hearts by sin, and if we harden hearts by sin, we can depart from the living God in having an evil heart of unbelief.

Sidon said:

Paul would never tell anyone they can be justified by any law or any commandment.
If he did that he'd be lying.
In fact, he said that trying to do that is "dung"...

Read Philippians 3

So, Paul teaches only justification by faith through the blood of Jesus.

As a matter of fact, the OT Covenant, > God removed, as God said He "found Fault" with it.
Hebrews 8:7
The reason that God found fault with The OT, the Old Covenant, and law and commandments, is because they can't give you righteousness, and that is why He "found fault" with all that, and replaced it with what CAN give you Righteousness.
This is the New Testament BLood Atonement, that you find as Jesus dying for your sin.
So, based on the Blood of Jesus, we find that God created a New Covenant, a NEW TESTAMENT, and this is all based on the Cross and the Blood of Jesus and Faith.

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What did Paul count as dung in Philippians 3:8?

His life as a Pharisee who kept the Old Law (the Law of Moses).

Please read again Philippians 3:2-6.
Paul talks of his circumcision and his Jewish heritage, and how he persecuted the church of God as a Pharisee. He was righteous according to the laws of the Pharisees according to the Law of Moses and not the Laws of Christ.

In Romans 8:2, it says
“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”

So by keeping New Covenant Law, it makes us free from the Old Law.
Keeping the “Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus” makes us free from the “Law of Sin and Death” (i.e. the Old Law).

How do we define the “Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus”?
Well, it is defined for us in the previous verse.

“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” (Romans 8:1).

So if we walk not after the flesh (sin), but after the Spirit in Christ Jesus, there is no condemnation for us. By keeping this Law in walking after the Spirit in Christ Jesus, it will set us free from being under the Old Law. For we can fulfill the Old Law by loving our neighbor (See: Romans 13:8-10, and Galatians 5:14). For walking after the Spirit will make us free from the lusts of the flesh (Galatians 5:16).

Sidon said:

So, based on the Blood of Jesus, we find that God created a New Covenant, a NEW TESTAMENT, and this is all based on the Cross and the Blood of Jesus and Faith.

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You also mention the word “faith.”
But what is faith exactly?

The Two Sides of the Coin of Faith:

The 1st Side of the Coin of Faith:

Faith starts off as a belief or trust in Jesus Christ as one's Savior (John 3:16). We are first saved by God's grace through faith without the deeds of the law or works ALONE (Ephesians 2:8-9). We are saved initially and foundationally by God's grace and mercy like the receiving of a gift. We believe that Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and He was risen three days later for our salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). We call upon the name of the Lord seeking forgiveness with Him (Romans 10:13, Luke 18:9-14). We receive or invite Christ into our life (John 1:12, Revelation 3:20). If a believer stumbles into sin on rare occasion, they do not do a good work to redeem that sin; But they go to God's grace by confessing their sins to Jesus Christ in order to be forgiven of it (See: 1 John 1:9, 1 John 2:1, Hebrews 4:16). This is all a part of how we are saved by God's grace through faith. No man can save themselves by Works Alone without God's grace. Many people who believe in God, and yet they have not accepted Jesus as their Savior think that God will outweigh their good deeds over their bad deeds. Salvation does not work like that. For they do not realize that their bad deeds will condemn them. They need to have their past slate of sins wiped out. This is where God's grace through faith in Jesus comes in.

But faith does not end with being saved by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

The journey of faith continues with the 2nd Side of the Coin of Faith.

The 2nd Side of the Coin of Faith:

#1. Faith manifests itself with the “work of faith” mentioned by the apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 1:3, and 2 Thessalonians 1:11. Protestants seem to separate works from faith (Which runs contrary to the Bible). Yet, the apostle Paul mentions that there is a “work of faith.” The Bible talks about the “work of the Lord” (1 Corinthians 15:58) (1 Corinthians 16:10), and I imagine if I asked a Protestant Christian if the “work” within the “work of the Lord” is separate from “the Lord,” they most likely would say they are not separated. But when it comes to the “work of faith,” they will say that works and faith are separate things (Which in my view is not being consistent or honest with oneself). (Side Note: Please keep in mind that I am a Bible Alone type Christian; So I am not Catholic or Orthodox).

#2. The word “faithful” is also mentioned 54 times in the New Testament King James Bible. The dictionary defines faithful as:

Faithful:
(adjective):


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Definition of faithful | Dictionary.com

This definition is supported by the context in many verses in the Bible. It does not take a detective to figure out that the word “faithful” derives from the word “faith.” They are related and connected to each other. A person is loyal (or faithful) to their master based on their faith in him in what he says. For example: 2 Thessalonians 3:3 says, “But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.” So the Lord is said to be faithful in this verse. How is the Lord faithful? Is it by a belief alone? No. The Lord is faithful to strengthening us (or in establishing us) to keep us from evil. The Lord does something when He is faithful. Revelation 2:10 says to a particular church, “be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.” Many Protestants have tried to come up with tricky ways to not apply this verse to their own life. I believe they do not accept what this verse plainly says because it contradicts their “Faith Alone” teaching that was handed down to them from Martin Luther (the founder of Protestantism).

#3. Romans 10:17. It says,


How do we get our faith? According to Romans 10:17, we get our faith by hearing the Word of God. I believe that the “Word of God” can refer to either Jesus, and or the Bible (depending on the context) (Note: See this thread here to see the connection in Scripture between the Living Word and the Bible). Anyways, in this particular instance in Romans 10:17: I believe the “Word of God” refers to the words of Jesus (which are found in the Holy Bible). We must receive the words of Jesus because if we do not, His words will judge us on the last day (See: John 12:48). This would also include the words of His apostles, as well. For Jesus says, “He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.” (Matthew 10:40). So faith is basically everything in my New Testament because it gives us an account of the words of Jesus and His followers. We get our faith by believing and obeying what Jesus and His apostles said. Faith is everything in your New Testament, and faith is not just a belief alone in Jesus.

#4. Hebrews 11.
Hebrews 11 gives us an account of what faith does. “By faith Noah, ... prepared an ark to the saving of his house;...” (Hebrews 11:7). “By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac:” (Hebrews 11:17). “By faith Moses, ... refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;” (Hebrews 11:24-25). So by faith, the great men of God obeyed God and or put forth holy actions (or the “work of faith”). So in Hebrews 11, the word “faith” is used to represent something a believer does. This faith also rejects sin in one's life, for Moses suffered with the affliction of God's people rather than enjoying the pleasures of sin for a season.

#5. Peter failed to continue to walk on the water (Which is a work of God).
What was the reason why Peter later failed to continue to walk on the water? Jesus said, “O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?” (Matthew 14:31). This again proves that the work of God that can operate in our life is tied to our faith. For in Ephesians 2:9 it refers to Man Directed Works ALONE Salvationism (without God's grace) because it is the kind of work that a man would boast in himself by doing it. But Ephesians 2:10 talks about an entirely different kind of work. It is the work of God done through the believer. These are the works that we are created unto Christ Jesus to do. They are the works of God done through us. For Jesus said we can do nothing without Him (John 15:5). For it is God who works in us to do of His good will and pleasure (Philippians 2:13). So any good we do, all praise, glory, thanks, and honor is given to our Lord Jesus Christ and or to the glorious Trinity (or Godhead).

#6. Paul also mentions that there is an obedience to the faith (or obedience of faith) at the beginning and end of the book of Romans (See: Romans 1:5, Romans 16:26).
Romans 6 says, “Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?” (Romans 6:16). So we have to have obedience unto righteousness. For Romans 6 also says, “But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.” (Romans 6:22). So our obedience unto righteousness is being servants of God and having fruit unto holiness with having the end of everlasting life. This is all a part of the obedience to the faith. There is no such thing as the disobedience of the faith. For Ephesians 5 says, “But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.” (Ephesians 5:3-6).


So in conclusion:

Faith is like a coin that has two sides to it. The first side of the coin of faith is trusting or believing in God's grace and seeking forgiveness with the Lord Jesus and believing the gospel, and the second side (or other side) of the coin of faith is the “work of faith.” (that is a part of the Sanctification Process of the Holy Spirit that helps us to live a holy life).

For without holiness, no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14).

Sidon said:

God requires faith to save you.
Its 2 part.
You REPENT of unbelief, and then you BELIEVE IN Christ, and that is what God accepts to place you into His Spiritual family. (Born again).

At no time in the process of Salvation, and nowhere in the Gospel will you find this condition....

= "if you will promise to be good after i save you, and keep commandments, then i will save you".

See that?
That does not exist in God's Salvation, as its a GIFT, and its FREE.


Now, after we are saved, we are to "present our bodies a living sacrifice", but that is not our salvation....that is our discipleship.

Discipleship......follows Salvation.

They are not the same.

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In Revelation 14:12, those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commands, in John 3:36, it equates believing in Jesus with obedience to him, and there are many other verses that associate our belief in God with our obedience to Him. When we do what is righteous in obedience to God's law, we are testifying about what we believe about the nature who God is, or in other words, we are believing in Him. Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what they should be repenting of transgressing, so repenting from our disobedience to it through faith is an integral part of the Gospel message, of what it means to believe in him, and of what it means to be born again.

In Psalms 119:29, David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Mosaic Law, in Romans 1:5, we have received grace in order to bring about the obedience of faith, and in Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so God graciously teaching us to obey His laws for how to do that is itself part of the content of His gift of salvation. It notably does not say that we need to obey those laws before God will save us or that we will obey those laws after God has saved us, but rather it describes being trained by grace to obey those laws as the content of our salvation. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21), and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so being trained by grace to live in obedience to God's law through faith it what it looks like to receive the gift of Jesus saving us from living in transgression of God's law.

Sidon said:

I want you to do us a favor.

Dont cut and paste other people's commentary.
Instead, you speak what you know, only.
Can you begin to do that?

So, what is faith?

Faith is Trust.

Now....Regarding the faith that God accepts to justify and then redeem, its a specific personal faith IN Jesus.
Its putting all your trust in Him to save you.

It starts by understanding that you need to be saved, and why, and then you turn to the Savior with your Trust .
God sees this in your heart, and accepts it ONE TIME.......with the proof He did, being that God gives you the NEW BIRTH. ...(born again).

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Uh, the majority of what I have said to you was not a commentary from somebody else, but it was my own words. The only words that were not my own were in reference to George Sodini, and Kenneth Nally.

Anyways, faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17).
This would be acting upon the Word of God (obeying the Living Word).
For obviously a person who just hears the words of Jesus but they do not receive Jesus, and seek forgiveness with the Lord Jesus is not hearing the Word of God according to Romans 10:17.

Jesus said, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” (John 5:24).

The word “heareth” is in reference to obeying Jesus. For it is redundant information that God would say that we need to hear with our ears His Word in order to be saved. For what about deaf people? Can they not be saved because they cannot “heareth” the Word?

John 5:24 is in context to John 5:29 that says this:

“And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:29).

John 5:24 in the EXB (Expanded Bible) says this:

“I tell you the truth [Truly, truly I say to you], whoever hears [obeys] what I say [my word/message] and believes in the One who sent me has eternal life. That person will not be judged guilty [come into judgment/condemnation] but has already left death and entered life [passed from death into life].”