The history of how Sunday worship came about

Clare73 said:

C'mon. . .you know the indwelling Holy Spirit does not make us robots.

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All you have to do is look around to know that not everyone listens to the laws written in the heart, because we live in a world full of sin. While God provides us the Holy Spirit to convict us so we know when we are sinning, God gives us free will to make those daily decisions. God bless.

imge said:

All you have to do is look around to know that not everyone listens to the laws written in the heart, because we live in a world full of sin. While God provides us the Holy Spirit to convict us so we know when we are sinning, God gives us free will to make those daily decisions. God bless.

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Not getting the connection of the above to robots.

Daniel Marsh said:

"In the year 321 A.D., Constantine decreed, "On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed" (Codex Justinianus lib. 3, tit. 12, 3; trans. in Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol. 3, p. 380, note 1)....

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His motivation was probably not born out of hatred for the Jews (it’s hard to say for sure why Constantine or any historical figure did what they did) but out of a desire to adopt what the Christians had practiced for nearly two and a half centuries."

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Well, duh. The New Testament states that the Church worshipped on Sunday, and that was written long before Constantine.

Clare73 said:

Not getting the connection of the above to robots.

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Clare73 said:

What is written on the heart does not require conscious practice, it is automatic, not premeditated.

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If God wrote His laws on our hearts and didn’t require us to be conscious of our actions, that would make us robots. This is obviously not true since we live in a world full of sin. We are accountable for our own actions, He is not going to force us to obey. The New Covenant is about obeying God because of our love for Him, not because He commanded us to.

Albion said:

Well, duh. The New Testament states that the Church worshipped on Sunday, and that was written long before Constantine.

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You never seem to quote scripture when making these statements for some reason. There is no such scripture in the OT or NT. If you have it please share.

imge said:

You never seem to quote scripture when making these statements for some reason. There is no such scripture in the OT or NT. If you have it please share.

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That's because I know full well that a person who is well-versed in SDA theology knows the verse in God's word that authorizes Sunday worship.

In the past few months, we've discussed this one narrow issue to death, and there is no need to restart old debating points here and now after that's all been settled.

I know it, you know it, and any one of us can now simply refer to it.

Albion said:

That's because I know full well that a person who is well-versed in SDA theology knows the verse in God's word that authorizes Sunday worship.

In the past few months, we've discussed this one narrow issue to death, and there is no need to restart old debating points here and now after that's all been settled.

I know it, you know it, and any one of us can now simply refer to it.

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Not really. That’s a pretty bold statement to say the Church worshipped on Sunday, when God told us His holy day is the seventh day Exodus 20:8-11 and His seventh day Sabbath is the day of worship for eternity Isaiah 66:23 which is consistent with the 170+ scriptures in both Old and New Testaments about the importance of God’s seventh day Sabbath. I ask you to provide one scripture where we are told the seventh day is no longer God’s holy day and the new day of worship is now Sunday. There is no such scripture found inside the Holy Bible. This was a commandment of man, not God.

imge said:

Not really. That’s a pretty bold statement to say the Church worshipped on Sunday, when God told us His holy day is the seventh day Exodus 20:8-11 and His seventh day Sabbath is the day of worship for eternity Isaiah 66:23 which is consistent with the 170+ scriptures in both Old and New Testaments about the importance of God’s seventh day Sabbath.

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Actually, I find it offensive, after all the debate, for anyone to say that the OT says X while deliberately talking as though the NT does not say what it does!

Is it that the New Testament is not to be considered God's word?

Or could it be that the rest of us are supposed to be ignorant of what the New Testament does tell us?

Albion said:

Actually, I find it offensive, after all the debate, for anyone to say that the OT says X while deliberately talking as though the NT does not say what it does!

Is it that the New Testament is not to be considered God's word?

Or could it be that the rest of us are supposed to be ignorant of what the New Testament does tell us?

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This is a debate forum, we provide scripture to analyze and discuss. Saying trust me without providing scripture is not a strong argument. Either the scripture is there or it’s not. God does not want us to hide His Word.

There is not a different God from the Old Testament to the New. I believe in the whole Bible.

imge said:

This is a debate forum, we provide scripture to analyst and discuss. .

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As noted, it's all been done, and by the same people.

The facts are known. All that remains is to show if and why the proper interpretation of all the Scriptural and historical evidence adds up to X or doesn't.

This is not a situation in which one side wins by saying that some of the evidence--which is already known by both sides--simply doesn't exist.

Albion said:

As noted, it's all been done, and by the same people.

The facts are known. All that remains is to show if and why the proper interpretation of all the Scriptural and historical evidence adds up to X or doesn't.

This is not a situation in which one side wins by saying that some of the evidence--which is already known by both sides--simply doesn't exist.

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It’s okay you don’t have to provide scripture to back up your statement. If I knew it was there I wouldn’t have asked. I do know that the Sabbath is mentioned over 55 times in the NT. Jesus taught a lot about it. Hope you have a good night, I’m off to catch some sleep. God bless.

imge said:

If God wrote His laws on our hearts and didn’t require us to be conscious of our actions, that would make us robots. This is obviously not true since we live in a world full of sin. We are accountable for our own actions, He is not going to force us to obey. The New Covenant is about obeying God because of our love for Him, not because He commanded us to.

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A mother's love for her child is written on her heart.
Does she have to be conscious of that fact in order to respond to the child, or does she respond from her heart because that is where her heart is?

Clare73 said:

A mother's love for her child is written on her heart.
Does she have to be conscious of that fact in order to respond to the child, or does she respond from her heart because that is where her heart is?

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God is talking about His laws written in our hearts/minds not His love. Jeremiah 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

imge said:

God is talking about His laws written in our hearts/minds not His love. Jeremiah 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

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And?

Clare73 said:

And?

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There is not really an “and”. It was a statement and I provided the scripture to go with it. It’s been nice chatting, but I’m off to catch some sleep. Hope you have a great night. God bless

Albion said:

As noted, it's all been done, and by the same people.

The facts are known. All that remains is to show if and why the proper interpretation of all the Scriptural and historical evidence adds up to X or doesn't.

This is not a situation in which one side wins by saying that some of the evidence--which is already known by both sides--simply doesn't exist.

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It's there someplace I just can't point to it right now -- maybe on some other thread.

imge said:

This is a debate forum, we provide scripture to analyze and discuss. Saying trust me without providing scripture is not a strong argument. Either the scripture is there or it’s not. God does not want us to hide His Word.

There is not a different God from the Old Testament to the New. I believe in the whole Bible.

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Yes debate thread are "funny that way" -- they need facts that are demonstrated to be true, rather than assumed.

mmksparbud said:

Absolutely!! Everyone keeps saying Jesus gave 2 commandments and some will say--ONLY those T 2!
They very conveniently ignore the word "HANG." Mat_22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

This is what those 2 commandments hang by---the first 4 our duty to God, the last 6 our duty to man. This is perfects love, this is the character of God. He is love

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These are the two commandments that Jesus gave.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

BobRyan said:

A one time event.

Acts 18:4 "Every Sabbath" they gather for gospel preaching for both gentiles and Jews.



Lay in store by himself alone at home - vs "week day 1 is now the Lord's day when we gather for worship"

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Shortly after Acts 18:4, the Christians that attended synagogues were evicted. The Jews would not tolerate the confession of the Christ.

We even see that in Jerusalem the synagogues were already evicting people for confessing the Christ.

John 9:22
His parents said this because they were afraid of the Jews; for the Jews had already agreed that if anyone confessed Him to be Christ, he was to be put out of the synagogue.

Clare73 said:

Thy speech doth betray thee.

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In other words you can not argue against what was stated in the post. So with that now being understood recant