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I got a question for my Christian Brothers and Sisters i wanna see what you guys got to say Who do you guys believe the Beast is? and Who you guys believe the Mark is? Any opinions or interpretations are accepted God bless :)

Nero was the beast, the mark was the number of his name 616.
 
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Do you think that when the Bible speaks of "the whole world" it literally means the entire globe? Or could it be a reference to simply the whole land of Israel?

The seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent are the two opposing marks. The first is invisible and is of Heavenly Sion. The second is the mark of serpent-worshippers. And since that serpent-worshipping-race has spread across the globe... maybe the mark is becoming genetic?

If Michael is the angel of Israel... maybe this is why a race gets chosen in the first place?... by the strength of their protector, not that of its people... or do a people get the ruler they deserve? Since Satan couldn't have offered to Jesus that which wasn't his to give, the kingdoms of this world belong to Satan... this fallen angel gives power to those who worship him. A nation at the apex of its power is full of serpent-worshippers.
 
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I got a question for my Christian Brothers and Sisters i wanna see what you guys got to say Who do you guys believe the Beast is? and Who you guys believe the Mark is? Any opinions or interpretations are accepted God bless :)
The beast is a description name for the arch villain of the end times, after he goes through a series of other functional roles. The person has not been identified yet.

As the beast, he will be the prime figure over the rule of the world for 42 months before Jesus returns, and his particular kingdom will be the EU, with it's ten leaders.

The mark of the beast, it is actually more specific as the mark of his name Revelation 14:11.

To buy/sell, the three id's a person must display, at least one of them, are: his name, the number of
his name 666, the mark of his name.

Currently, no one for certain knows specifically how the 666 and the mark apply to the person because he has not been identified yet.

To positively identify who the person is, the EU will have to be restructured with ten leaders, and with one overall leader, the little horn person.

The little horn person following Gog/Magog will be the prince who shall come;

Then after arriving in the middle east, the Jews will perceive that he is the messiah, and the person anointed the King of Israel, coming in his own name, that is the Antichrist;

Then after 3 years, thereabouts, he commits the transgression of desolation act, claiming to have achieved God-hood, revealing himself as the man of sin and not the messiah after all. It ends his time as the King of Israel, and thus his functional role as the Antichrist;

God has the person killed for his act, and then in disdain for the person brings him back to life to be part of the closure of the end of this age, which Satan and his kingdom will destroyed as well as a packaged plan.

Come back to life, the person will be possessed by the spirit of the original serpent (beast) of the garden of eden ordeal. Thus the person is referred to as the beast, and as well as because of the beast-like nature of the person.
 
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I don't find any place in the Bible where "whole world" means "just Israel".

Acts 1:8 8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth
Actually, your very quote of Revelation 13:3 is a great example. "...and all the world (gē) wondered after the beast". Also your example of Acts 1:8 "... in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth (gē)"

In both cases the Greek word translated as "world" or "earth" is and it means "the earth, soil, land, region, country, inhabitants of a region." And when it says "the earth" it does not mean the whole earth, or the author would've used the word kosmos, such as in Matthew 5:14 "You are the light of the world (kosmos)" or in Revelation 11:15 "The kingdom of the world (kosmos) has become..."

In other words, Revelation 13:3 is not referring to the entire world. It's referring to a local event, something that affects the people of the land. Knowing this alone completely changes the meaning of the passage, wouldn't you agree?
 
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It comes up out of the pit, and is cast into the lake of fire... so it's not a human being.
Fallen angels are in the pit... only non-humans are judged prior to the white throne.

STUR is the god(fallen angel) of Babylon whose name adds up to 666.
(The Book of Daniel says that only Michael is fighting alongside God... and so does Rev.12... so the fallen angels aren't fighting against Lucifer, they're fighting for him.
It seems like Saturn must have been the name of the fallen angel of Babylon.)
What is this STUR you speak of? Can you give a little more information?
 
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The chit that showed that you'd made your sacrifice to Caesar.
Yes, I've looked into this as well but wasn't able to find any evidence of such a chit being in existence prior to the 3rd century. That doesn't mean it wasn't also common in the 1st century, but if you have any evidence or ideas regarding this I'd love to hear it.

Just for the sake of interest, here's an image of the earliest known libelus in existence dated 249 to 251 AD.
View attachment 299277
 
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The beast is a description name for the arch villain of the end times, after he goes through a series of other functional roles. The person has not been identified yet.

As the beast, he will be the prime figure over the rule of the world for 42 months before Jesus returns, and his particular kingdom will be the EU, with it's ten leaders.

The mark of the beast, it is actually more specific as the mark of his name Revelation 14:11.

To buy/sell, the three id's a person must display, at least one of them, are: his name, the number of
his name 666, the mark of his name.

Currently, no one for certain knows specifically how the 666 and the mark apply to the person because he has not been identified yet.

To positively identify who the person is, the EU will have to be restructured with ten leaders, and with one overall leader, the little horn person.

The little horn person following Gog/Magog will be the prince who shall come;

Then after arriving in the middle east, the Jews will perceive that he is the messiah, and the person anointed the King of Israel, coming in his own name, that is the Antichrist;

Then after 3 years, thereabouts, he commits the transgression of desolation act, claiming to have achieved God-hood, revealing himself as the man of sin and not the messiah after all. It ends his time as the King of Israel, and thus his functional role as the Antichrist;

God has the person killed for his act, and then in disdain for the person brings him back to life to be part of the closure of the end of this age, which Satan and his kingdom will destroyed as well as a packaged plan.

Come back to life, the person will be possessed by the spirit of the original serpent (beast) of the garden of eden ordeal. Thus the person is referred to as the beast, and as well as because of the beast-like nature of the person.
Your interpretation could be supported by scripture (though you've clearly used creative licence in some of your details), but do you agree that other interpretations can just as easily be supported by scripture?
 
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What other evidence, other than his name and his ruthlessness, do you have that make you believe it is Nero?

How about the fact that 5 are fallen, 1 is... the one that is at the time Revelation was written is Rome. The beast that was, is not, and will come... cannot be Rome. In fact, of all the 7 kingdoms, Rome is the only kingdom that the beast cannot be. The one that remains for a short time seems to echo the words he knows that his time is short... making the 7th kingdom a local event that becomes the 8th when the kingdom becomes global.

The Turks had rule over Palestine before the Lawrence and his Arabs won the war... this makes Turks the 7th kingdom. We know they were in Babylon as the Turanian Sumerians and Akkadians. So they were also in Assyria, and Persia. And the Scythian-nomad-tribes were in Egypt and Palestine. This is all one family, these Turanian Turkish Mongols. He is of the 7... So he was also in Greece before he genocided the Armenians. This is the beast.
 
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What is this STUR you speak of? Can you give a little more information?

"Now, the name SATURN in Chaldee is pronounced Satur; but, as every Chaldee scholar knows, consists only of four letters, thus - Stur [ed. Star?]. This name contains exactly the Apocalyptic number."--Hislop, The Two Babylons, p. 269

Saturn is Cronus, the Titan defeated by Zeus. These Titans were sent to Tartarus, the pit under Pontus. The Black Sea seems to be the sea from which the beast rises.

Saturn is Baal, whose temples span the globe and stand on Mt. Hermon... The Sidonian arch of Baal has been reconstructed in DC and London... like some kind of doorway for this fallen angel to walk through... they laid out the welcome mat for the beast from the pit... Yeah, I do think Saturn/Cronus is a fallen angel, because only those are in the pit, as far as I know.
 
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The beast is a description name for the arch villain of the end times, after he goes through a series of other functional roles. The person has not been identified yet.

As the beast, he will be the prime figure over the rule of the world for 42 months before Jesus returns, and his particular kingdom will be the EU, with it's ten leaders.

The mark of the beast, it is actually more specific as the mark of his name Revelation 14:11.

To buy/sell, the three id's a person must display, at least one of them, are: his name, the number of
his name 666, the mark of his name.

In the Greek, "name" can also be translated as "authority." In this case, as with the case for Christians who "have not denied My name"... authority is probably what is meant.

So then... where did the first beast get his authority? Because they will worship this creature, too. In Eden, they worshipped the snake just by believing it instead of God.
 
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In the Greek, "name" can also be translated as "authority." In this case, as with the case for Christians who "have not denied My name"... authority is probably what is meant.

So then... where did the first beast get his authority? Because they will worship this creature, too. In Eden, they worshipped the snake just by believing it instead of God.
Would that not be STRN? STN, Satan. Satan is a fallen STRN. Satan is still the beast.
 
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Actually, your very quote of Revelation 13:3 is a great example. "...and all the world (gē) wondered after the beast". Also your example of Acts 1:8 "... in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth (gē)"

In both cases the Greek word translated as "world" or "earth" is and it means "the earth, soil, land, region, country, inhabitants of a region." And when it says "the earth" it does not mean the whole earth, or the author would've used the word kosmos, such as in Matthew 5:14 "You are the light of the world (kosmos)" or in Revelation 11:15 "The kingdom of the world (kosmos) has become..."

In other words, Revelation 13:3 is not referring to the entire world. It's referring to a local event, something that affects the people of the land. Knowing this alone completely changes the meaning of the passage, wouldn't you agree?

Why don't people ever remember this verse? \/

Matt.28:19-20 Go ye therefore, and disciple all ethnos... to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you...

As for your theory of Rev.13:3 as a local event... Hard to believe that I have to show you this Greek History... since you seem to know something about their language.

Ge = Gaea, Mother Earth of Greek Legend... but only to the Greeks, right?
If that were true, then the following verse must be to/about only the Greeks... why would a Greek goddess bother to help... non-Greeks who apparently live on some other Earth.

Rev.12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Yeah... I know what you're thinking... pantheism, right? Pantheism isn't really out there, when you realize that the Titans must have been called gods by the Greeks.
And the verses where Jesus says the Father calls them gods? Psalm.82:6 shows us why Jesus pointed that verse at them in John.10:34... to explain why Jesus came.

Ps.82:1 God stands in the assembly of gods; and in the midst of them will judge gods. 2 How long will ye judge unrighteously, and accept the persons of sinners? Pause. 3 Judge the orphan and poor: do justice to the low and needy. 4 Rescue the needy, and deliver the poor out of the hand of the sinner. 5 They know not, nor understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth shall be shaken. 6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you children of the Most High. 7 But ye die as men, and fall as one of the princes.
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for Thou shalt inherit all nations.

Because there are gods... and then there is God Jesus who shall inherit all nations.
These people... "ye are gods" will die as men... because they didn't do justice.
Instead, they killed Him for His inheritance of all nations, via the Matt.21 parable.

This is the real reason why Rev.13:3 is not a local event.
That, and Matt.28:19-20... these Disciples are now of all ethnos, via Isaiah 65.
 
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Would that not be STRN? STN, Satan. Satan is a fallen STRN. Satan is still the beast.

Direct-translations of Chaldee into English... (shrug) that ain't me.

Rev.19 Beast and false prophet go straight into the lake of fire.
Rev.20 Satan bound in the pit...

until after a thousand years... when the white throne judgment happens:


Matt.25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Can't quite get my head around people wanting to live with the deceivers.
 
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Your interpretation could be supported by scripture (though you've clearly used creative licence in some of your details), but do you agree that other interpretations can just as easily be supported by scripture?
I actually did not say what the mark of the beast's name was. Because I don't know.

Of what I did post, there are certainly other views - which them who hold those other views use scriptures to support their position. Validation of who is right, and who is wrong will be according to the fulfillment forthcoming.

Timeline wise, Ezekiel 39 presents the infallible timeline framework. Gog/Magog, then the 7 years, then Armageddon and Jesus's return to earth.
 
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Yeah... I know what you're thinking... pantheism, right? Pantheism isn't really out there, when you realize that the Titans must have been called gods by the Greeks.
No. God created the earth for a purpose. Greek mythology is just Satan's version of history.
 
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No. God created the earth for a purpose. Greek mythology is just Satan's version of history.

"God created the earth for a purpose."... what does that even mean?
In Greek, Gaea is Mother Earth. According to Gen.1... Earth was the mother of Adam. Don't seem to me like the Pelasgians are wrong... but then I don't hate Pelasgians.

In fact, Ιησούς spoke Greek, and quoted the Greek Septuagint. Ιησούς sent the letters to the Seven Churches in Asia Minor... (Lydia wasn't Semitic, in case you're thinking that must've been why). In fact, the letters were written in Greek to Greek-speaking people.

Ever wonder why Ιησούς came to Earth when His birth-land was speaking Greek?

"I am sought of [them that] asked not [for Me]; I am found of [them that] sought Me not: I said, Behold Me, behold Me, unto a nation [that] was not called by My name."--Isaiah 65

Behold Me... says the Creator, to whosoever will.
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"Some things that should not have been forgotten were lost.
History became legend, legend became myth."--Tolkien
 
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"God created the earth for a purpose."... what does that even mean?
In Greek, Gaea is Mother Earth. According to Gen.1... Earth was the mother of Adam. Don't seem to me like the Pelasgians are wrong... but then I don't hate Pelasgians.
It means God created the earth for a purpose. What is that purpose? The earth is not the mother of Adam. That is how all pagan creation stories want humans to believe. That is how it was taught contrary to Noah's version. Contrast Noah with Zoroaster, a much older history than Greek mythology, and they still are slightly off on the truth. Earth is just a finite layer of creation which is only a cube. There is nothing special about this layer of dirt and rock, any more than the gases in the air above the earth and all the clouds that come and go. This layer of reality we call earth only serves as the purpose of a place humans live. Humans who are supposed to be the image of God. Lights surrounding a physical body. Instead Adam disobeyed God, and died. Now we are in dead corruptible bodies, without a light literally.
 
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