What Happens When The Vaccinated No Longer Wear Masks?

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This is about wearing masks and getting a vaccine, not about extermination CAMPS.

When I read your post (which I was responding to), I was under the impression it was about having trust in fellow citizens:
This is a rather cynical view for a person of any faith, let alone a Christian.
According to your own doctrines, you have God Almighty residing in your body, (indwelling of the Holy Spirit). What’s with this “not trusting” fellow citizens?

Will people “outsmart the devil” by sowing fear and doubt in our land?

O, brave new world!
 
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Thank you for demonstrating your mistrust of those "with power".

You see, I trust professionals such as the CDC Director Michelle Walinsky - and have no reason to question her motive is anything other than saving American lives lives. I also respect her education and vast knowledge, just as I do other professionals in other areas of life.

What do you think she has to gain by deceiving us?

Good for you for trusting the CDC director. Not everyone does. They've apparently decided that "the science" is no longer the thing to make decisions by:

EAU CLAIRE, Wis. (WEAU) - Eau Claire city and county-wide mask mandates remain in effect despite new guidelines for face coverings from the federal government.

On Thursday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced a new set of guidelines that removed indoor mask recommendations for fully-vaccinated individuals in most settings. However, the CDC noted that local health officials, government, and institutions would determine the best course of action for their jurisdictions.
Eau Claire’s mask mandate stays in place, for now

So here is an example of city officials making the decision to NOT follow CDC guidelines, and therefore reject the science.
 
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What will happen is that now the vaccinated stop protecting themselves, an escape mutation will emerge that will be able to infect the vaccinated, rendering all vaccinations pointless. Praise Grandfather Nurgle!
 
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Personally I don't see why getting a vaccination and wearing a mask is an issue. They're both very simple things to do.

If people want to continue to wear a mask once vaccinated? They can. No one is stopping them. There is no issue there.

If a vaccinated person doesn't wish to mask? There shouldn't be an issue there either. The CDC mentioned it shouldn't be a requirement, but local areas can do what they feel is best for their area. There have been a number of states already that dropped the mandate, and no super spreader that people went on and on about happened.

So, if people don't wish to mask? There shouldn't be an issue there either. Although, I can understand people's concerns....there was a point to the vaccine in the first place.
 
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What will happen is that now the vaccinated stop protecting themselves, an escape mutation will emerge that will be able to infect the vaccinated, rendering all vaccinations pointless. Praise Grandfather Nurgle!

Well, no, the danger of mutation is in the unvaccinated, not the vaccinated who do not further protect themselves. Mutations are unlikely to develop in the vaccinated; they will develop in the unvaccinated.
 
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Whether a mutation or not, stories like the one where 8 NY Yankees got Covid even though they were all vaccinated is some cause for concern: 8 Yankees Players and Staff Test Positive for COVID-19 Despite Being Vaccinated Before Diagnosis

It depends on what "test positive" really means in terms of the type of test in terms of an active infection and subsequent infectiousness. What is also notable is that they are asymptomatic, and if that is the result of the vaccine, that is a good result.

It could be like the initial fear of transmission by fomative surfaces, in which virus particles could be detected on surfaces for days, but when investigated further, virus particles were detectable that long but had actually been infectuous for a very short period of time.
 
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Well, no, the danger of mutation is in the unvaccinated, not the vaccinated who do not further protect themselves. Mutations are unlikely to develop in the vaccinated; they will develop in the unvaccinated.
They will develop in the unvaccinated, but the vaccinated who don't wear masks will be a selection factor in making mutations that can escape the vaccination more successfull.

That's how evolution works. The unprotected vaccinated are now a "niche" that the virus can't exploit yet. The first virus variant that can exploit that niche will have a huge advantage.
 
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Absolutely, I really dont have a desire to live that long in the flesh (especially the older I get) with all these new aches and pains (not to mention the older ones).

Makes me just want to throw off this mortal coil and fly to my eternal home.

So no, I don't fear death.

I was messing around "as if" I was afraid (of the enevitable).

Its the last enemy, so BRING IT ON!!:ebil:
The older you get the more you suffer. I don't want to get any older as life will become even more painful. Your not the only one hoping that their number comes up.
 
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The older you get the more you suffer. I don't want to get any older as life will become even more painful. Your not the only one hoping that their number comes up.

I hear ya there, I joke but I really mean it, "get me out of here PLEASE!!"

My family has a history of long lives, I'm doomed ^_^

Well maybe not, something could happen and make all my dreams come true, thats why I keep saying everyone who will not be vaccinated (like me) should be shot- I'm trying so hard ^_^
 
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The older you get the more you suffer. I don't want to get any older as life will become even more painful. Your not the only one hoping that their number comes up.

I feel healthier and have more hope for health now than I did five years ago. Minor ailments I thought would be chronic five years ago are completely gone. I'm slimmer, lighter, stronger, and more muscular now than I was five years ago. I've had three flat-out healing miracles (defined as sudden healing that surprised my doctors).

Don't count God out, if you've placed yourself at His disposal for whatever good works He has planned for you. Now, if you consider yourself useless to Him, that's a different concern.
 
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The older you get the more you suffer. I don't want to get any older as life will become even more painful. Your not the only one hoping that their number comes up.
TheBuddha said:
There will be pain,
Suffering is optional.
 
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Good for you for trusting the CDC director. Not everyone does. They've apparently decided that "the science" is no longer the thing to make decisions by:

EAU CLAIRE, Wis. (WEAU) - Eau Claire city and county-wide mask mandates remain in effect despite new guidelines for face coverings from the federal government.

On Thursday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced a new set of guidelines that removed indoor mask recommendations for fully-vaccinated individuals in most settings. However, the CDC noted that local health officials, government, and institutions would determine the best course of action for their jurisdictions.
Eau Claire’s mask mandate stays in place, for now

So here is an example of city officials making the decision to NOT follow CDC guidelines, and therefore reject the science.

The citizens of Eau Claire can voice their concerns to the city council.
Note: I never claimed that "they" (all governing bodies apparently) all followed the science or CDC guidelines.
 
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That's how evolution works. The unprotected vaccinated are now a "niche" that the virus can't exploit yet. The first virus variant that can exploit that niche will have a huge advantage.
It's pretty much the same niche as those that have immunity from previous infection with Covid. There's no getting around that, but vaccines can decrease the pool of viruses able to mutate fairly quickly, and with much less drastic consequences. So far there seem to be no variants capable of completely escaping the vaccines.
 
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I feel healthier and have more hope for health now than I did five years ago. Minor ailments I thought would be chronic five years ago are completely gone. I'm slimmer, lighter, stronger, and more muscular now than I was five years ago. I've had three flat-out healing miracles (defined as sudden healing that surprised my doctors).

Don't count God out, if you've placed yourself at His disposal for whatever good works He has planned for you. Now, if you consider yourself useless to Him, that's a different concern.
amen
 
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The citizens of Eau Claire can voice their concerns to the city council.
Note: I never claimed that "they" (all governing bodies apparently) all followed the science or CDC guidelines.

The point was that some keep calling those people "science deniers" who don't want to wear a mask, or get the shot because they're afraid of what information about the vaccines might be getting withheld that could cause injury or death to a person who abides by the advice or guidelines the government puts out. Now different parts of government are divided on what to do. So "science" isn't even being followed by the government.

FWIW, I got the Johnson and Johnson shot this morning. I'm getting more fatigued as the day goes on, which is supposedly one of the side effects. If you don't hear from me again in a couple days, it means I dropped dead. (Don't anyone get their hopes up). ;)
 
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The CDC and the admniistration has dumped this issue on state and local governments.

Businesses will find that they MUST have the right to exclude the unvaccinated. Otherwise, many will feel unsafe and stay home, certainly anyone with kids.

There should be vax ID's as I have said for months, and they should have pictures so that they can be used as voter ID's. It is no more difficult to check vax ID's that it is to check driver licenses.

FL won't allow any vax checking, so look for all cruise ships to stop using FL port cities.

Businesses will make their choices. The Walmart's of the world have long ago decided to go with whatever the government requires. I expect that the only folks with masks with be the VACCINATED and their kids.

Bars will again be super spreaders in many parts of the country, as well as churches, and weddings.
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The major issue for me is the kids. They need to go back to school and to summer outdoor activities. Democratic states will require kids to be vaccinated. Republicans states will require that children risk sickness.

It is what it is. We will deal with getting booster shots this fall as the variants form India reach our shores. What we need soon is a vaccine for young children.

We also need some sanity from Democratic states. We need to find a way to open day care centers and places that have outdoor activities for kids this summer. Another summer without play is simply dangerous to the mental health of children.
 
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