Tennessee Law Signed Allowing Parents to Excuse Students From Lessons With LGBTQ+ Content

essentialsaltes said:

#1: it isn't. Parents can use the law to yank their kids out for any reason. They don't need to prove it's because of faith.

#2: the fact that gay people can get married does not infringe on anybody's faith. It's a fact.

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I did not say Gay people getting Married infringes upon my faith. My right to raise my children with the facts of scripture does.

essentialsaltes said:

Kids should be taught that, too. They are taught that in driver's ed. Are we supposed to avoid teaching them about the repeal of Prohibition because they might hear that it's legal for adults to drink alcohol?

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No body said this either. Always looking for something to accuse? I am not the one obsessed with the subject. My kids and your kids will decide for themselves when they reach adulthood either way. Just like we all do.

ralliann said:

When opinions are a result of religious faith, nobody has the right to infringe upon that faith. That is the subject of this discussion.

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On the flip side, "opinions" that are the result of "religous faith", because of what is written in a book, do not confer the "right" to infringe on another person's CIVIL rights ... which is something some people just don't seem to understand.

These same "some poeple" have always been of the opinion that they are the only ones who "deserve" civil rights, and they withheld those rights from Native Americans, African Americans, Asian Americans, women, etc. for decades, until they were forced by the law and society to change "their opinions".

Obviously, they are holding on to being able to discriminate against this last minority as long as possible. Maybe to them it represents the last vestige of "privilege".

MIDutch said:

On the flip side, "opinions" that are the result of "religous faith", because of what is written in a book, do not confer the "right" to infringe on another person's CIVIL rights ... which is something some people just don't seem to understand.

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Nobody here so far has shown a misunderstanding for that. We should protect all our rights by respecting the rights of others. That is what I have seen in this thread. But I have seen some posts attempting to distort that to take this thread off topic though.

MIDutch said:

These same "some poeple" have always been of the opinion that they are the only ones who "deserve" civil rights, and they withheld those rights from Native Americans, African Americans, Asian Americans, women, etc. for decades, until they were forced by the law and society to change "their opinions".

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This is simply untrue. Yes, atrocities have occurred, their faith had nothing to do with it. Just like they ignored the constitution, they ignored the scriptures. There is many reasons for hypocrisy. It is the constitution which reflects agreement with faith, thats why those of faith accepted it.

MIDutch said:

Obviously, they are holding on to being able to discriminate against this last minority as long as possible. Maybe to them it represents the last vestige of "privilege".

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Discrimination is not what the law asks. So why are you accusing of it. The topic is our public schools and what is being taught there.

ralliann said:

Your own bigotry etc is noted. You have a right to yours as well.

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I have nothing against Christians. I was born, baptised and raised as one.

What I am bigoted against (if you want to label it as such) is those christians who use the Bible to discriminate, abuse and attack people who aren't EXACTLY like them.

If I had to choose between the people I know in my life who are gay, who certain christians say are going to hell, and those same christians waving the Bible around and proclaiming that my family members and friends are going to hell, then I will gladly burn in hell with family and friends rather than be in heaven with those christians.

essentialsaltes said:

I think you'll find that it's the people who are making up special laws like this one who are obsessed with the subject.

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No it's law enforcing our rights.

ralliann said:

This is simply untrue. Yes, atrocities have occurred, their faith had nothing to do with it.

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So you are claiming that the argument that was wide spread in the pre-civil war American South that black skin was the "curse of Ham" and it was therefore okay to keep Arican Americans as slaves WASN'T because of their faith?

Bible story => atrocity.

You don't see this?

essentialsaltes said:

Being able to provide facts like "Elton John is gay" and "Same sex couples can marry in the US" does not harm anybody's opinions.

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Exactly. These laws actually violate the First Amendment rights of teachers to speak the truth.

ralliann said:

We are talking about what is taught our children in school. Many things are legal in our civil society. Drinking is legal, but driving while drinking is not.

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I fail to see the logic in your statement. First, because the teaching of facts is consonant with sound learning. Second, because it's not obvious to me there's anything morally problematic with homosexuality, whereas it's easy to understand how drinking and driving should be criminalized.

ralliann said:

When opinions are a result of religious faith, nobody has the right to infringe upon that faith. That is the subject of this discussion.

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Same sex couples can marry in the United States isn't an opinion its a fact. Gays are perverts is an opinion born out of personal hate.

essentialsaltes said:

Being able to provide facts like "Elton John is gay" and "Same sex couples can marry in the US" does not harm anybody's opinions.

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Here are the notes from the bill:

Under this bill, not less than 30 days prior to commencing instruction of a sexual orientation curriculum or gender identity curriculum, regardless of whether the curriculum is offered as part of a family life program, sex education program, or other program, each LEA or public charter school must notify the parent or guardian of each student whom the LEA or charter school anticipates will be present for instruction in the curriculum that:

(1) The LEA or charter school is providing a sexual orientation curriculum or gender identity curriculum;?and

(2) The parent or guardian may examine the instructional materials and confer with the student's instructor, school counselor, or principal, as designated by the LEA or public charter school, regarding any or all portions of the curriculum

Both of your examples aren't covered as needing 30 days prior notice.

SB1229 covers curriculum. Curriculum is the subjects comprising a course of study in a school.

So stating Elton John is gay, and Same sex couples can marry are just statements. Those aren't curriculum.

ralliann said:

No it's law enforcing our rights.

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would you support an identical law concerning the rights of racists and being able to opt their about lessons regarding African Americans?

Aldebaran said:

The word "pervert" comes from the word perversion.

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and applied here based on hate

Aldebaran said:

Now you're claiming to know a person's feelings.
If the creation of sex was intended by God to be between a man and a woman, then men having sex with one another is a perversion of it. Plain and simple.
Do you agree with what is written in scripture about sex?

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Yet again. Always men...

Aldebaran said:

The word "pervert" comes from the word perversion.
Romans 1:26-27
For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

Source: 9 Bible verses about Sexual Perversion

Does your own bible contain this verse?

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'Hey, I'm quite entitled to call your mother a pervert. It's in the bible'.