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Phil 2:
6 who, although He existed in the form and unchanging essence of God [as One with Him, possessing the fullness of all the divine attributes—the entire nature of deity], did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped or asserted [as if He did not already possess it, or was afraid of losing it];

7 but emptied Himself [without renouncing or diminishing His deity, but only temporarily giving up the outward expression of divine equality and His rightful dignity] by assuming the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men [He became completely human but was without sin, being fully God and fully man]
(MY NOTE: All brackets above are placed by AMP bible translators. Ck link below)

Bible Gateway passage: Philippians 2 - Amplified Bible

Hebrews 12:29 our God is a consuming fire. (Also see Ex 3:2, Deut 9:3)

Isaiah 6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
(MY NOTE: Seraphim angels: primary meaning is the burning ones. Each Seraphims had 6 wings, 2 wings covered their face, 2 covered their feet & 2 to fly. The Shekinah Glory of the Lord is so great. Even fiery angelic beings must cover themselves in God's presents. God's true presents would vaporize us humans in a moment.

God the Son/Jesus the Christ, existed prior the his incarnation & is our Genesis 1, Creator/God: Jn 1:3 & 10, Col 1:16 & 17, 1 Cor 8:6, Eph 3:9

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(MY NOTE: God the Son/Redeemer/Christ Jesus is the Genesis 1 creator of our universe. He existed with/in the presents of God the Father. The Word/Jesus (Rev 13:19) was with God (The Father) and was/is also God)

The Word/Son/Jesus existed [pre-incarnation] of/in the same essence/form with His Father.

We humans are all of the same Form/essence. However, we're all not co-equal in ALL things. I.E. authority/rank, job, military etc.

Jn 1:1 states the Word/Jesus is God Vs 14 states He/God the Son/Word, became flesh & lived/walked among us. 1 Tim 3:16 states: God/Jesus was manifest in the flesh, Matt 1:23: Behold, a virgin shall be with child you shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. The notion that He wasn't always 100% God in the flesh is contrary to scripture.

Jn:3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(MY NOTE: God the Father gave/sent his Son)

Jn 6:38 I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
(MY NOTE: God the Son/Jesus say's: He came down from heaven to do the will of him/the Father, that sent Him. Its at creation, God the Son, begins His mission/work of reconciliation/salvation.)

Jn 16:28 Jesus said, I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father
(MY NOTE: The SON of God/Jesus say's, He came forth from the Father (did he leave himself?) He will return to the Father. Although, The Son is ONE WITH, he's NOT the Father)

Jn 17:5 O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
(MY NOTE: Before the world began, the Son, enjoyed glory "WITH" the Father. "NOT AS" the Father)

Scripture states 4 TIMES: "God the Father" said to "God the Son" Sit at my right hand. The Risen/Glorified Son doesn't sit down next to Himself.

Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
(MY NOTE: The LORD isn't talking to HIMSELF! Also see Ps 110:1, Matt 22;44, Lk 20:43)

Matt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
(MY NOTE: Did God the Son HIDE this info from Himself?)

Jn 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
(MY NOTE: Jesus said: I came from the Father, I leave this world & return to the Father. Jesus ISN'T returning to Himself)

Heb 10:12 (C) after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
(MY NOTE: This isn't the earthly Jesus. This is the risen/glorified Jesus & He, DOESN'T sit down next to Himself)

Rev 5:7 And he (Vs 5, the Loin of the tribe of Juda. Vs 6, the Lamb) came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
(MY NOTE: This is the risen/glorified Lamb/Jesus. He DOESN'T take the book/scroll out of His own hand)

Rom 8:17 We're children, "heirs also", "heirs of God & fellow heirs with Christ
(MY NOTE: Believers are fellow heirs of God the Father, with/thru Christ. Christ ISN'T an heir of/to himself?)

Heb 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, thru whom also He made the world
(MY NOTE: God the Father APPOINTED God the Son HEIR of ALL things within our realm. Even though they are of the same Godly substance/firey brilliance. It all belonged to the Father, they didn't/don't have a CO-EQUAL share's in all things)

God the Father sends God the Son:
Jn 3:16, 5:23, 30, 36 & 37, 6:38 & 39, 6:57, 8:42, 10;36, 12:49. Can anyone provide a scripture, where anyone sends the Father anywhere?

God the Father gives to God the Son: Jn 3:35, 5:22 & 26, 6:37&39, 10:29, 13:3 16:28. Can anyone provide a scripture, where anyone gives anything to the Father?

If the Father & Son are the same person, what's the point in any of the following verses? Everyone of these verses were written POST RESURRECTION! Gal 1:1 & 3, Eph 6:23, Php 2:11, 1 Th 1:1, 2 Ti 1:2, Tit 1:4, 1 Pe 1:2, 2 Pe 1:17, 2 Jn 1:3, Jud 1:1 Jude

Jn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
(MY NOTE: Jesus/God the Son say's, I ascent to My Father & My God)

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
(MY NOTE: Jesus/God the Son say's, I will write the name of My God & I will write MY Name on believers/overcomers. He'll write His Gods & His name = 2 persons)

1 Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
(MY NOTE: Man is Head/has authority over the woman, Christ is Head/has authority over the man & God the Father is Head/has authority over God the Son)

Pay special attention vs 28!

1 Cor 15:
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

When all is complete/fulfilled the Son will what? SUBJECT, all things INCLUDING Himself, unto His Father, whom gave it all to him.

Within our universe, Christ, will FOREVER remain King of Kings & Lord of Lords. Why? Because the Father, rewarded his faithful/obedient redemptive works. And has given all things within our universe.

Spiritual oneness:
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God (Elohim) created [by forming from nothing] the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1 AMP - The Creation - In the beginning God - Bible Gateway
(MY NOTE: Any Hebrew noun ending in "IM" [Elohim] is plural. This is a reference to our Creator God/a non created being & not angels)

Deut 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
(MY NOTE: the LORD our Creator GOD/Christ Jesus is one LORD)

The Hebrew word Echad translates One. However, echad/one, means UNITY not SINGULARITY.

Another example of echad: Gen 2:24 echad speaks about the husband & wife being ONE flesh. Husband & wife aren't a singular being. They are in unity with each other.

There is another Hebrew word, YACHID, this word means ABSOLUTE SINGULARITY. Yachid is never used as a reference to God.

Jn 10:30 I and my Father are one.
(MY NOTE: The Father & Son are connected/Spiritually & therefore are ONE Spiritually)

Jn 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
(MY NOTE: I am in ME & ME is in I? NO! The Father is IN Me & I am IN the Father. TWO persons [SPIRITUALLY CONNECTED] not ONE!)

Jn 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
(MY NOTE: Jesus say's; I'm in the Father & the Father's in me. Two persons [connected by God the Holy Spirit] Spiritual Oneness!)

Jn 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
(MY NOTE: Jesus say's; I'm in the Father & the Father's in me. Two persons [connected by God the Holy Spirit] Spiritual Oneness!)

Jn 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
(MY NOTE: Jesus say's; I'm in MY Father, you believers are IN Me & I'm IN you believer's. THREE persons [connected by God the Holy Spirit] = Spiritual Oneness!)

Jn 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
(MY NOTE: Jesus referencing Vs 20 say's, Father, Son & believer. THREE persons [connected by God the Holy Spirit] = Spiritual Oneness!)

Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
(MY NOTE: Does one body = one person? NO! The millions/billions etc = ONE SPIRITUAL BODY)

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body.
(MY NOTE: Christ is the head of the church: He is the savior of a large/numerous ""SPIRITUAL BODY OF ONE"")

I understand many may disagree with my view. No harm, no foul, that’s your privilege.
 
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Phil 2:
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
(MY NOTE: Jesus Christ preexisted/began in the same Form/substance/essence as God the Father)

Form is neither a substance nor an essence. Form is actually the opposite of those things - its a shape, outward appearance.
 
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Phil 2:
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
(MY NOTE: Jesus Christ preexisted/began in the same Form/substance/essence as God the Father)

Taking 1 verse context & building a doctrine, invariably leads to scriptural misinterpretations.

The Word/Son/Jesus preexisted of the same Form/substance/essence, we humans are all of the same Form/substance/essence, substance. However, we're all not the same in authority/rank, job, military etc.

Hebrews 12:29 our God is a consuming fire. (Also see Ex 3:2, Deut 9:3)

Isaiah 6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
(MY NOTE: Seraphim angels: primary meaning is the burning ones. Each Seraphims had 6 wings, 2 wings covered their face, 2 covered their feet & 2 to fly. The Shekinah Glory of the Lord is so great. Even fiery angelic beings must cover themselves in God's presents. God's true presents would vaporize us humans in a moment.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
(MY NOTE: Only the Son/Jesus has ever seen God the Father)

John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
(MY NOTE: The only man that has seen God the Father is Jesus who existed with the Father.

God the Son/Jesus the Christ, pre-existed prior the his incarnation & is our Genesis 1, Creator/God: Jn 1:3 & 10, Col 1:16 & 17, 1 Cor 8:6, Eph 3:9

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(NOTE: God the Son/Redeemer/Christ/Jesus, the Genesis 1 creator of our universe, preexisted in the presents of God the Father. The Word/Jesus (Rev 13:19) was with God (The Father) and was/is also God)

Jn 1:1 states the Word/Jesus is God Vs 14 states He/God the Son/Word, became flesh & lived/walked among us. 1 Tim 3:16 states: God/Jesus was manifest in the flesh, Matt 1:23: Behold, a virgin shall be with child you shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. The notion that He wasn't always 100% God in the flesh is contrary to scripture.

Jn:3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(NOTE: God the Father gave/sent his Son)

Jn 6:38 I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
(NOTE: God the Son/Jesus say's He; came down from heaven to do the will of him/the Father, that sent Him. Its at creation, God the Son, begins His mission/work of reconciliation/salvation.)

Jn 16:28 Jesus said, I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father
(NOTE: The SON of God/Jesus say's, He came forth from the Father (did he leave himself?) He will return to the Father. Although, The Son is ONE WITH, he's NOT the Father)

Jn 17:5 O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
(NOTE: Before the world began, the Son, enjoyed glory "WITH" the Father. "NOT AS" the Father)

Scripture states 4 TIMES: "God the Father" said to "God the Son" Sit at my right hand. The Risen/Glorified Son doesn't sit down next to Himself.

Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
(NOTE: The LORD isn't talking to HIMSELF! Also see Ps 110:1, Matt 22;44, Lk 20:43)

Matt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
(MY NOTE: Did God the Son HIDE this info from Himself?)

Jn 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
(NOTE: Jesus said: I came from the Father, I leave this world & return to the Father. Jesus ISN'T returning to Himself)

Heb 10:12 (C) after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
(NOTE: This isn't the earthly Jesus. This is the risen/glorified Jesus & He, DOESN'T sit down next to Himself)

Rev 5:7 And he (Vs 5, the Loin of the tribe of Juda. Vs 6, the Lamb) came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
(NOTE: This is the risen/glorified Lamb/Jesus. He DOESN'T take the book/scroll out of His own hand)

Rom 8:17 We're children, "heirs also", "heirs of God & fellow heirs with Christ
(NOTE: Believers are fellow heirs of God the Father, with/thru Christ. Christ ISN'T an heir of/to himself?)

Heb 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, thru whom also He made the world
(NOTE: God the Father APPOINTED God the Son HEIR of ALL things within our realm. Even though they are of the same Godly substance/firey brilliance. It all belonged to the Father, they didn't/don't have a CO-EQUAL share's in all things)

God the Father sends God the Son:
Jn 3:16, 5:23, 30, 36 & 37, 6:38 & 39, 6:57, 8:42, 10;36, 12:49. Can anyone provide a scripture, where anyone sends the Father anywhere?

God the Father gives to God the Son: Jn 3:35, 5:22 & 26, 6:37&39, 10:29, 13:3 16:28. Can anyone provide a scripture, where anyone gives anything to the Father?

If the Father & Son are the same person, what's the point in any of the following verses? Everyone of these verses were written POST RESURRECTION! Gal 1:1 & 3, Eph 6:23, Php 2:11, 1 Th 1:1, 2 Ti 1:2, Tit 1:4, 1 Pe 1:2, 2 Pe 1:17, 2 Jn 1:3, Jud 1:1 Jude

Jn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
(MY NOTE: Jesus/God the Son say's, I ascent to My Father & My God)

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
(MY NOTE: Jesus/God the Son say's, I will write the name of My God & I will write MY Name on believers/overcomers. He'll write His Gods & His name = 2 persons)

1 Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
(MY NOTE: Man is Head/has authority over the woman, Christ is Head/has authority over the man & God the Father is Head/has authority over God the Son)

Pay special attention vs 28!

1 Cor 15:
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

When all is complete/fulfilled (after the white throne). The Son will what? SUBJECT, all things INCLUDING Himself, unto His Father, whom gave it all to him.

Within our universe, Christ, will FOREVER remain King of Kings & Lord of Lords. Why? Because the Father, rewarded his faithful/obedient redemptive works. And has given all things within our universe.

Spiritual oneness:

Jn 10:30 I and my Father are one.
(NOTE: The Father & Son are connected/Spiritually & therefore are ONE Spiritually)

Jn 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
(NOTE: I am in ME & ME in in I? NOPE! The Father is IN Me & I am IN the Father. TWO persons [SPIRITUALLY CONNECTED] not ONE!)

Jn 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
(NOTE: Jesus say's; I'm in the Father & the Father's in me. Two persons [connected by God the Holy Spirit] Spiritual Oneness!)

Jn 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
(NOTE: Jesus say's; I'm in the Father & the Father's in me. Two persons [connected by God the Holy Spirit] Spiritual Oneness!)

Jn 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
(NOTE: Jesus say's; I'm in MY Father, you believers are IN Me & I'm IN you believer's. THREE persons [connected by God the Holy Spirit] = Spiritual Oneness!)

Jn 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
(NOTE: Jesus referencing Vs 20 say's, Father, Son & believer. THREE persons [connected by God the Holy Spirit] = Spiritual Oneness!)

Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
(NOTE: Does one body = one person? NO! The millions/billions etc = ONE SPIRITUAL BODY)

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body.
(NOTE: Christ is the head of the church: He is the savior of a large/numerous ""SPIRITUAL BODY OF ONE"")

I understand many may disagree with my view. No harm, no foul, that’s your privilege. I'm simply sharing thoughts & bible verses on this topic.
Am I to understand that you do not accept the Trinity?
 
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If the Father & Son are the same person, what's the point in any of the following verses?

The Father and the Son are not the same person (or persona, the word actually used by the writers of the Creed). They are, with the Holy Ghost, the same being.

(NOTE: Does one body = one person? NO! The millions/billions etc = ONE SPIRITUAL BODY)
It looks like understanding the orthodox Christian view of the Trinity comes down, for you, to knowing that the most common use of the word "person" in English (meaning an individual) is not what this is all about.

I understand many may disagree with my view.
Just about the whole of Christianity, in fact.

No harm, no foul, that’s your privilege. I'm simply sharing thoughts & bible verses on this topic.
 
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Am I to understand that you do not accept the Trinity?

Here is how I see it

The Father, Son & Holy Spirit are each/all God.

Father is God: Jn 6:27, Rom 1:7, 1 Pet 1:2

Son is God: Isa 7:14 & 9:6, Micah 5:2, Matt 1:23, Jn 1:1 & 20:28, 1 Tim 3:16 Titus 2:13 Rom 9:5 Rev 1:8.

Holy Spirit is God: Ps 139:7-8, Acts 5:3-4 & 13:2, Eph 4:30, 1 Cor 2:10-11, 3:16, 12:4-7, 2 Cor 13:14
 
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The Father, Son & Holy Spirit are each/all God.

Father is God: Jn 6:27, Rom 1:7, 1 Pet 1:2

Son is God: Isa 7:14 & 9:6, Micah 5:2, Matt 1:23, Jn 1:1 & 20:28, 1 Tim 3:16 Titus 2:13 Rom 9:5 Rev 1:8.

Holy Spirit is God: Ps 139:7-8, Acts 5:3-4 & 13:2, Eph 4:30, 1 Cor 2:10-11, 3:16, 12:4-7, 2 Cor 13:14

So....three gods or one?
 
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Here is how I see it

The Father, Son & Holy Spirit are each/all God.

Father is God: Jn 6:27, Rom 1:7, 1 Pet 1:2

Son is God: Isa 7:14 & 9:6, Micah 5:2, Matt 1:23, Jn 1:1 & 20:28, 1 Tim 3:16 Titus 2:13 Rom 9:5 Rev 1:8.

Holy Spirit is God: Ps 139:7-8, Acts 5:3-4 & 13:2, Eph 4:30, 1 Cor 2:10-11, 3:16, 12:4-7, 2 Cor 13:14
You are attempting to avoid answering the question, again do you accept the Trinity, one God, three persons, Father, Son, Holy spirit.
 
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You are attempting to avoid answering the question, again do you accept the Trinity, one God, three persons, Father, Son, Holy spirit.

I answered your question in post #5. You're free to accept, reject, agree of disagree. Best wishes, JJ
 
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The Father and the Son are not the same person (or persona, the word actually used by the writers of the Creed). They are, with the Holy Ghost, the same being.


It looks like understanding the orthodox Christian view of the Trinity comes down, for you, to knowing that the most common use of the word "person" in English (meaning an individual) is not what this is all about.


Just about the whole of Christianity, in fact.

I'm ok, with what you believe. Peace, JJ
 
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You did post your message in a "discussion" forum, though. We assumed that there would be discussion, you see.

Anyway, it looks like three gods is your answer, but I'm not going to vilify you for that if this was your worry. You're entitled to state your beliefs just like the rest of us.
 
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Phil 2:
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
(MY NOTE: Jesus Christ preexisted/began in the same Form/substance/essence as God the Father)

Taking 1 verse context & building a doctrine, invariably leads to scriptural misinterpretations.

The Word/Son/Jesus preexisted of the same Form/substance/essence, we humans are all of the same Form/substance/essence, substance. However, we're all not the same in authority/rank, job, military etc.

Hebrews 12:29 our God is a consuming fire. (Also see Ex 3:2, Deut 9:3)

Isaiah 6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
(MY NOTE: Seraphim angels: primary meaning is the burning ones. Each Seraphims had 6 wings, 2 wings covered their face, 2 covered their feet & 2 to fly. The Shekinah Glory of the Lord is so great. Even fiery angelic beings must cover themselves in God's presents. God's true presents would vaporize us humans in a moment.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
(MY NOTE: Only the Son/Jesus has ever seen God the Father)

John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
(MY NOTE: The only man that has seen God the Father is Jesus who existed with the Father.

God the Son/Jesus the Christ, pre-existed prior the his incarnation & is our Genesis 1, Creator/God: Jn 1:3 & 10, Col 1:16 & 17, 1 Cor 8:6, Eph 3:9

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(NOTE: God the Son/Redeemer/Christ/Jesus, the Genesis 1 creator of our universe, preexisted in the presents of God the Father. The Word/Jesus (Rev 13:19) was with God (The Father) and was/is also God)

Jn 1:1 states the Word/Jesus is God Vs 14 states He/God the Son/Word, became flesh & lived/walked among us. 1 Tim 3:16 states: God/Jesus was manifest in the flesh, Matt 1:23: Behold, a virgin shall be with child you shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. The notion that He wasn't always 100% God in the flesh is contrary to scripture.

Jn:3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(NOTE: God the Father gave/sent his Son)

Jn 6:38 I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
(NOTE: God the Son/Jesus say's He; came down from heaven to do the will of him/the Father, that sent Him. Its at creation, God the Son, begins His mission/work of reconciliation/salvation.)

Jn 16:28 Jesus said, I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father
(NOTE: The SON of God/Jesus say's, He came forth from the Father (did he leave himself?) He will return to the Father. Although, The Son is ONE WITH, he's NOT the Father)

Jn 17:5 O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
(NOTE: Before the world began, the Son, enjoyed glory "WITH" the Father. "NOT AS" the Father)

Scripture states 4 TIMES: "God the Father" said to "God the Son" Sit at my right hand. The Risen/Glorified Son doesn't sit down next to Himself.

Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
(NOTE: The LORD isn't talking to HIMSELF! Also see Ps 110:1, Matt 22;44, Lk 20:43)

Matt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
(MY NOTE: Did God the Son HIDE this info from Himself?)

Jn 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
(NOTE: Jesus said: I came from the Father, I leave this world & return to the Father. Jesus ISN'T returning to Himself)

Heb 10:12 (C) after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
(NOTE: This isn't the earthly Jesus. This is the risen/glorified Jesus & He, DOESN'T sit down next to Himself)

Rev 5:7 And he (Vs 5, the Loin of the tribe of Juda. Vs 6, the Lamb) came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
(NOTE: This is the risen/glorified Lamb/Jesus. He DOESN'T take the book/scroll out of His own hand)

Rom 8:17 We're children, "heirs also", "heirs of God & fellow heirs with Christ
(NOTE: Believers are fellow heirs of God the Father, with/thru Christ. Christ ISN'T an heir of/to himself?)

Heb 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, thru whom also He made the world
(NOTE: God the Father APPOINTED God the Son HEIR of ALL things within our realm. Even though they are of the same Godly substance/firey brilliance. It all belonged to the Father, they didn't/don't have a CO-EQUAL share's in all things)

God the Father sends God the Son:
Jn 3:16, 5:23, 30, 36 & 37, 6:38 & 39, 6:57, 8:42, 10;36, 12:49. Can anyone provide a scripture, where anyone sends the Father anywhere?

God the Father gives to God the Son: Jn 3:35, 5:22 & 26, 6:37&39, 10:29, 13:3 16:28. Can anyone provide a scripture, where anyone gives anything to the Father?

If the Father & Son are the same person, what's the point in any of the following verses? Everyone of these verses were written POST RESURRECTION! Gal 1:1 & 3, Eph 6:23, Php 2:11, 1 Th 1:1, 2 Ti 1:2, Tit 1:4, 1 Pe 1:2, 2 Pe 1:17, 2 Jn 1:3, Jud 1:1 Jude

Jn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
(MY NOTE: Jesus/God the Son say's, I ascent to My Father & My God)

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
(MY NOTE: Jesus/God the Son say's, I will write the name of My God & I will write MY Name on believers/overcomers. He'll write His Gods & His name = 2 persons)

1 Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
(MY NOTE: Man is Head/has authority over the woman, Christ is Head/has authority over the man & God the Father is Head/has authority over God the Son)

Pay special attention vs 28!

1 Cor 15:
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

When all is complete/fulfilled the Son will what? SUBJECT, all things INCLUDING Himself, unto His Father, whom gave it all to him.

Within our universe, Christ, will FOREVER remain King of Kings & Lord of Lords. Why? Because the Father, rewarded his faithful/obedient redemptive works. And has given all things within our universe.

Spiritual oneness:

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

The Hebrew word Echad translates One. However, echad/one, means UNITY not SINGULARITY.

Another example of echad: Gen 2:24 echad speaks about the husband & wife being ONE flesh. Husband & wife aren't a singular being. They are in unity with each other.

There is another Hebrew word, YACHID, this word means ABSOLUTE SINGULARITY. Yachid is never used as a reference to God.

Jn 10:30 I and my Father are one.
(NOTE: The Father & Son are connected/Spiritually & therefore are ONE Spiritually)

Jn 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
(NOTE: I am in ME & ME is in I? NO! The Father is IN Me & I am IN the Father. TWO persons [SPIRITUALLY CONNECTED] not ONE!)

Jn 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
(NOTE: Jesus say's; I'm in the Father & the Father's in me. Two persons [connected by God the Holy Spirit] Spiritual Oneness!)

Jn 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
(NOTE: Jesus say's; I'm in the Father & the Father's in me. Two persons [connected by God the Holy Spirit] Spiritual Oneness!)

Jn 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
(NOTE: Jesus say's; I'm in MY Father, you believers are IN Me & I'm IN you believer's. THREE persons [connected by God the Holy Spirit] = Spiritual Oneness!)

Jn 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
(NOTE: Jesus referencing Vs 20 say's, Father, Son & believer. THREE persons [connected by God the Holy Spirit] = Spiritual Oneness!)

Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
(NOTE: Does one body = one person? NO! The millions/billions etc = ONE SPIRITUAL BODY)

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body.
(NOTE: Christ is the head of the church: He is the savior of a large/numerous ""SPIRITUAL BODY OF ONE"")

I understand many may disagree with my view. No harm, no foul, that’s your privilege.
So Jesus Christ of Nazareth is not God in the flesh?
 
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Centuries before Jesus Christ of Nazareth walked the earth, who He IS was told to us. Be blessed.
"For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
 
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Centuries before Jesus Christ of Nazareth walked the earth, who He IS was told to us. Be blessed.
"For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

The OP agrees with the scripture in your reply. I'll add a bit to it:

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace

Each Capitalized name in Isa 9:6 is a TITLE. Each title represents a different attribute of the SON, that HE shall be given.

Christ is God our Creator Jn 1:3 & 10, Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6. He holds every TITLE mentioned above.

1 Tim 3:16 (A) Without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh

Micah 5:2 Oh Bethlehem, you are little to be among the clans of Judah; out of you shall One come forth for Me Who is to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth have been from old, from everlasting.
(MY NOTE: Born in Bethlehem Matt 2:1, 2:5-6 & Jh 7:42. Lion of the Tribe of Judah Rev 5:5 & Matt 2:5-6. King of the Jews Matt 2:2, Rev 17:14 & 19-16. He's from everlasting, HAS NO BEGINING, Heb 7:3, Jn 1:1.)
 
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The OP agrees with the scripture in your reply. I'll add a bit to it:

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace

Each Capitalized name in Isa 9:6 is a TITLE. Each title represents a different attribute of the SON, that HE shall be given.

Christ is God our Creator Jn 1:3 & 10, Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6. He holds every TITLE mentioned above.

1 Tim 3:16 (A) Without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh

Micah 5:2 Oh Bethlehem, you are little to be among the clans of Judah; out of you shall One come forth for Me Who is to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth have been from old, from everlasting.
(MY NOTE: Born in Bethlehem Matt 2:1, 2:5-6 & Jh 7:42. Lion of the Tribe of Judah Rev 5:5 & Matt 2:5-6. King of the Jews Matt 2:2, Rev 17:14 & 19-16. He's from everlasting, HAS NO BEGINING, Heb 7:3, Jn 1:1.)
Oneness Pentecostal?
 
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