Liz Cheney out of #3 House GOP role - on a voice vote

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You are right. Her stance on Trump is what led to the vote and why she lost; but the article makes it clear that this is about restoring party unity and moving forward to the next election, which the GOP felt could not be done with a never-Trumper as their chairperson.
...and not just a NeverTrumper, but one who insists that her special project and first concern is keeping Trump from making another run at the Presidency and that she has to talk about it all the time. That means using the Democratic representatives' slogans, talking points, and etc. What the Congressional Republicans favor and way is not as important to her.

She willingly sticks her finger not into Trump's eyes but into the eyes of the Republican House members who chose her to be a unifying figure and problem-solver among them.
 
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She was not a "never-Trumper". She had no issues with Trump and worked with him just fine right up to the point where he started lying about his election loss and the idea that there was massive voter fraud.
I think you have stated it clearly here; but there is a difference between following an agenda that corresponds to your own and blindly following a man. Look Liz Cheney has only been a Representative for 2 years, so her record is short. My gut feel is that she is more of a Bush type conservative than a Trump one. As long as Trump seemed to be leading the party in that direction, she might have been just going along. The odd thing to me is that the GOP voted in such a junior Rep as their chairperson. Now if Elise Stefanik is voted in they get a rising star that was the youngest woman ever elected to Congress and has successfully reran 4 times. She brings to the table the ability to be a unifying force in the GOP for the 2022 election.

I have termed Cheney a never-Trumper because of her parting jab at Trump after the vote that took her out of leadership. This is why I doubt if she is that politically astute. She provided another Democratic soundbite and showed exactly why she was voted out in one sentence.
 
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I think you have stated it clearly here; but there is a difference between following an agenda that corresponds to your own and blindly following a man. Look Liz Cheney has only been a Representative for 2 years, so her record is short.
She was first elected to the House in 2016. Maybe you are thinking of her election to the #3 leadership post.

My gut feel is that she is more of a Bush type conservative than a Trump one.
That's quite right.

Now if Elise Stefanik is voted in they get a rising star that was the youngest woman ever elected to Congress and has successfully reran 4 times. She brings to the table the ability to be a unifying force in the GOP for the 2022 election.

I have termed Cheney a never-Trumper because of her parting jab at Trump after the vote that took her out of leadership. This is why I doubt if she is that politically astute. She provided another Democratic soundbite and showed exactly why she was voted out in one sentence.
Very true. What would be interesting to everybody who is so concerned about fairness and Liz Cheney would be to have all of her speeches about her animosity towards Donald Trump presented. That would show readers why this is not just a simple matter of her disapproving of Trump's presidency and she having the courage to say so.
 
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She was first elected to the House in 2016. Maybe you are thinking of her election to the #3 leadership post.
Oops, you are right. Her website says the following, "She was first elected in 2016, on a platform of pursuing conservative solutions to help create jobs, cut taxes and regulation, expand America’s energy, mining and ag industries and restoring America’s strength and power in the world."

I don't see her becoming a liberal Democrat anytime soon.
 
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Being disagreeable is not the same as disagreement.
Trump is acting quite disagreeable with his insistence on undermining our American democracy as an excuse for his loss. Continuing to spread divisive lies is disagreeable to sane Americans my friend. Each time trump does it Liz calls him out because nobody else in the GOP will. You dismiss Liz as the disagreeable one, ignoring the root cause...TRUMP. He doesn't have a license to destroy our republic with his selfish rhetoric, unless people LET HIM CONTINUE. Which is exactly what the terrified republicans in DC are doing. Trying to ignore him while voters are LISTENING to trumps prevarications and believing them. Those who forget (or ignore) history are bound to repeat it.
 
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This idea of painting the GOP as the party of Trump allows the mainstream media to use the hatred they have built over the last four years of Trump to whitewash the GOP as a whole.

The media has nothing to do with it. The GOP is the party of Trump because their platform says exactly that, and will remain so thru 2024 at least, and nobody is allowed to change it. It's right there in the platform.

RESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President’s America-first agenda;

RESOVLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention will adjourn without adopting a new platform until the 2024 Republican National Convention;

RESOLVED, That any motion to amend the 2016 Platform or to adopt a new platform, including any motion to suspend the procedures that will allow doing so, will be ruled out of order.
 
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My gut feel is that she is more of a Bush type conservative than a Trump one.
Trump was not conservative.
What did he strive to conserve except, perhaps, his hold on power?
 
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King was drumming up support and sympathy for White Nationalism and White Supremacy. One can only pray that was why his assignments were stripped from him.

In the same House of Representatives that has a Black Caucus and a Hispanic Caucus. Go figure. But Liz Cheney still thinks the Iraq war was a good idea, and that's something lives were lost over.

Strange , she voted 93% of the time with Trump. I guess 100% agreement and loyoltaty is demanded. Interesting.

...and her most likely replacement, Elise Stefanik, only voted with Trump 77% of the time.
 
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The GOP now owns their anti-democratic Big Lie about the election and Donald Trump now owns them.
Ultimately it doesn't matter that the party official line is that the election was stolen.

The courts don't agree, the election officials don't agree and Biden was sworn in and is now in possession of the white house and the Federal government.

Republicans and Republican supporters can say "the election was stolen" all they want. It makes no difference.

I think that what is important is that
We can see, within the Republican party, if anyone says anything different to D Trump, then the other Republicans will band together and ouster them.
Trump's supporters don't seem to have any personal values or lines that D Trump himself cannot cross.
They will vote for whichever candidate Trump tells them to vote for.
This means the Republican party is ONLY pandering to those Trump fans and they are giving D Trump all he wants.
 
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Trump is acting quite disagreeable with his insistence on undermining our American democracy as an excuse for his loss. Continuing to spread divisive lies is disagreeable to sane Americans my friend. Each time trump does it Liz calls him out because nobody else in the GOP will. You dismiss Liz as the disagreeable one, ignoring the root cause...TRUMP. He doesn't have a license to destroy our republic with his selfish rhetoric, unless people LET HIM CONTINUE. Which is exactly what the terrified republicans in DC are doing. Trying to ignore him while voters are LISTENING to trumps prevarications and believing them. Those who forget (or ignore) history are bound to repeat it.
Actually, I found you calling people invertebrates disagreeable. Resorting to ad hominem attacks is usually the lowest form of discourse.
 
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The media has nothing to do with it. The GOP is the party of Trump because their platform says exactly that, and will remain so thru 2024 at least, and nobody is allowed to change it. It's right there in the platform.

RESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President’s America-first agenda;

RESOVLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention will adjourn without adopting a new platform until the 2024 Republican National Convention;

RESOLVED, That any motion to amend the 2016 Platform or to adopt a new platform, including any motion to suspend the procedures that will allow doing so, will be ruled out of order.
That is rather disingenuous. Of course the last Republican National Convention endorsed Trump's platform. He was their candidate. That doesn't mean that they follow that campaign platform if he loses.
 
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Actually, I found you calling people invertebrates disagreeable. Resorting to ad hominem attacks is usually the lowest form of discourse.

Pardon me, I could have said they lack intestinal fortitude or courage. I wasn't calling you names. I see you easily ignore my point to "shame" me for calling a spade a spade. I mean no ad hominem, or low form of discourse to your sensitive nature. I will not reply if you are so defensive of invertebrates. Peace
 
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In the same House of Representatives that has a Black Caucus and a Hispanic Caucus. Go figure.

If you think Congress needs a White Caucus, it already has one. So what are you complaining about?
 
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That is rather disingenuous. Of course the last Republican National Convention endorsed Trump's platform. He was their candidate. That doesn't mean that they follow that campaign platform if he loses.
It's normal for a party to adopt a new platform for every presidential election, even when running the same candidate. The broad strokes generally don't change, barring major events (like, say, a pandemic?) but there's usually some modification year-to-year in acknowledgements of events and changing national opinions. Look at the Democrats in 2012. And the Republicans in 2004. And so on.
 
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That is rather disingenuous. Of course the last Republican National Convention endorsed Trump's platform. He was their candidate. That doesn't mean that they follow that campaign platform if he loses.

Actuality, it does, if you read it. (Also, I wonder if the RESOVLVED typo is in honor of Trump.)
 
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Actuality, it does, if you read it. (Also, I wonder if the RESOVLVED typo is in honor of Trump.)
I think there is a broader context on why the platform stayed the same between 2016 and 2020. This is from the RNC resolution on platform -
"WHEREAS, The Republican National Committee (RNC) has significantly scaled back the size and scope of the 2020 Republican National Convention in Charlotte due to strict restrictions on gatherings and meetings, and out of concern for the safety of convention attendees and our hosts;

WHEREAS, The RNC has unanimously voted to forego the Convention Committee on Platform, in appreciation of the fact that it did not want a small contingent of delegates formulating a new platform without the breadth of perspectives within the ever-growing Republican movement;

WHEREAS, All platforms are snapshots of the historical contexts in which they are born, and parties abide by their policy priorities, rather than their political rhetoric;

WHEREAS, The RNC, had the Platform Committee been able to convene in 2020, would have undoubtedly unanimously agreed to reassert the Party’s strong support for President Donald Trump and his Administration;"

So I think this was a one off due to coronavirus restrictions. It will be interesting to see if they try to change the platform prior to the 2022 election due to Trump's loss or if they just let each candidate state their own platform. I would think they will stick with what is normal and let the candidate create their own.
 
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Elise Stefanik is in!

The vote for Stefanik was conducted by secret ballot. The final tally was 134-46.

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Trump stood by Stefanik in her run for the leadership post and weighed in on Roy's late entry into the race Thursday evening with a statement slamming the congressman and reiterating his support for the congresswoman.
"Can't imagine Republican House Members would go with Chip Roy -- he has not done a great job, and will probably be successfully primaried in his own district. I support Elise, by far, over Chip!" he said.

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Chip Roy (R-TX) is a member of the "far-right and Trump-aligned House Freedom Caucus". Apparently Trump is not a fan.
 
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Elise Stefanik is in!

The vote for Stefanik was conducted by secret ballot. The final tally was 134-46.

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Trump stood by Stefanik in her run for the leadership post and weighed in on Roy's late entry into the race Thursday evening with a statement slamming the congressman and reiterating his support for the congresswoman.
"Can't imagine Republican House Members would go with Chip Roy -- he has not done a great job, and will probably be successfully primaried in his own district. I support Elise, by far, over Chip!" he said.

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Chip Roy (R-TX) is a member of the "far-right and Trump-aligned House Freedom Caucus". Apparently Trump is not a fan.

Perhaps this explains the endorsement...
OPINION: Elise Stefanik Is Lying To Us -
 
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