Daniel's 70 Weeks Correctly Explained At Last

Douggg said:

Did Daniel stand in his lot in 70AD ?

Daniel 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

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Out of curiousity, but not to get in a debate about this in this thread, in the event I disagree, when do you take the end of the days meant here to be meaning? The end of the days in this present age we are currently living in? Or in the end of the days following a future millennium?

Douggg said:

Did Daniel stand in his lot in 70AD ?

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Try to put your presumptions aside and let Scripture tell the story.

Daniel's time was about 700 years before 70 AD....so Daniel wasn't alive in 70 AD. Daniel was a prophet.

Gabriel, though, God's messenger returned to speak with Mary and John the baptizer's father in order to give them details of the "last days" that were coming (for them). That's in Luke 1.

DavidPT said:

Out of curiousity, but not to get in a debate about this in this thread, in the event I disagree, when do you take the end of the days meant here to be meaning? The end of the days in this present age we are currently living in? Or in the end of the days following a future millennium?

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The end of days in this present age we are currently living in.

mkgal1 said:

Try to put your presumptions aside and let Scripture tell the story.

Daniel's time was about 700 years before 70 AD....so Daniel wasn't alive in 70 AD. Daniel was a prophet.

Gabriel, though, God's messenger returned to speak with Mary and John the baptizer's father in order to give them details of the "last days" that were coming (for them). That's in Luke 1.

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Daniel 12:13 is talking about Daniel being resurrected in the rapture/resurrection event to take place at the time of the end. The events of Daniel 11:36-12:13 are yet to come.

Douggg said:

The end of days in this present age we are currently living in.

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The accurate phrase is "days of the end".

God's kingdom has no end.

Douggg said:

Daniel 12:13 is talking about Daniel being resurrected in the rapture/resurrection event to take place at the time of the end. The events of Daniel 11:36-12:13 are yet to come.

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That may be your story that's been Frankensteined from a select few passages.

But that's NOT God's story being told all throughout Scripture.

mkgal1 said:

That may be your story that's been Frankensteined from a select few passages.

But that's NOT God's story being told all throughout Scripture.

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No Frakensteining of verses. The rapture/resurrection has not happened yet.

Daniel 12:13 is about Daniel being resurrected at the time of the end. It is connects to Daniel 12:2
about them who sleep in the dust.

Time of the end is charaterized by Daniel 12:4

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Douggg said:

The rapture/resurrection has not happened yet

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Umm....no resurrection has happened yet?

mkgal1 said:

Umm....no resurrection has happened yet?

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I wrote the rapture/resurrection.

DavidPT said:

Out of curiousity, but not to get in a debate about this in this thread, in the event I disagree, when do you take the end of the days meant here to be meaning? The end of the days in this present age we are currently living in? Or in the end of the days following a future millennium?

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What about the end of days, at the Cross? Many want the Cross to be a fulfillment, but not many want a resurrection of all the OT at the Cross.

Douggg said:

I wrote the rapture/resurrection.

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There's no such thing (not the way futurists link the two and describe it).

Jesus has already resurrected. He's not going to do an encore performance for those who missed (or deny) the first one.

Is the Rapture Biblical?

mkgal1 said:

Try to put your presumptions aside and let Scripture tell the story.

Daniel's time was about 700 years before 70 AD....so Daniel wasn't alive in 70 AD. Daniel was a prophet.

Gabriel, though, God's messenger returned to speak with Mary and John the baptizer's father in order to give them details of the "last days" that were coming (for them). That's in Luke 1.

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Daniel lived from 620-538 BC. 538 + 70 is 608 years. Daniel's 70 weeks started in 538. Cyrus ruled in Babylon from 539-530 BC. The first year of Cyrus was the last year of Daniel's life. All 490 years would have fit up to the first century of BC. There was about a 10 year gap between the first 7 set of weeks and the last 62 set of weeks. Why would any one not think that Daniel knew the 70 weeks had started before Daniel died?

mkgal1 said:

There's no such thing (not the way futurists link the two and describe it).

Jesus has already resurrected. He's not going to do an encore performance for those who missed (or deny) the first one.

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You need to be more specific.

In the video, N.T. Wright does not acknowledge that the dead in Christ rise first in 1Thessalonians4:15-18. So he does not even address the resurrection of the dead in his attack on the rapture of the living in 1Thessalonians4:15-18.

Instead, he comes up with some fanciful idea that the living in Christ are going to welcome Jesus in the air as Jesus is descending down to earth. Exactly how is N.T. going to ascend from the earth into the clouds? Is he going to get in chartered plane and fly up to meet Jesus?

N.T. Wright does not acknowledge the change in the living from corruptible bodies to the incorruptible bodies. N.T. Wright is the last person I would recommend anyone listen to.

Douggg said:

as Jesus is descending down to earth.

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Listen again. Wright specifically states it's not about a decension....but, instead, Jesus being raised in power and glory.

This video (below) may make that point more clear (about 8 minutes long):

mkgal1 said:

Listen again. Wright specifically states it's not about a decension....but, instead, Jesus being raised in power and glory.

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You switched to a different video. My comments pertained to the other video you posted.

In the latest video you posted, NT Wright was referring to Daniel 7, a different topic. He makes the point of Jesus as the one like the Son of Man arriving in heaven - as not being the Second Coming. Well, duh? I don't know of anyone who says those verses in Daniel 7 are about the Second Coming.
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Separately, I hope your stroke recovery is going well.

Douggg said:

You switched to a different video. My comments pertained to the other video you posted.

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They're both N.T. Wright speaking on the same topic (holding to the same beliefs in both). I just thought the second video may be more clearly explained.

Douggg said:

He makes the point of Jesus as the one like the Son of Man arriving in heaven - as not being the Second Coming. Well, duh? I don't know of anyone who says those verses in Daniel 7 are about the Second Coming.

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Jesus quoted Daniel's prophecy (recorded in the New Testament) and many people use what Jesus said to be in reference to His "second coming" only because "coming" is in the statement. Wright is making the point that most of the passages used to refer to a "second coming" are in reference to Jesus's glorification and/or vindication.

Douggg said:

Separately, I hope your stroke recovery is going well.

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Thank you for your kindness. I'm trodding along in recovering. Thank you.

Douggg said:

In the latest video you posted, NT Wright was referring to Daniel 7, a different topic

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Same topic (Daniel 7).....same speaker......same belief. Here he says the same point in just a different way:

mkgal1 said:

Jesus quoted Daniel's prophecy (recorded in the New Testament) and many people use what Jesus said to be in reference to His "second coming" only because "coming" is in the statement. Wright is making the point that most of the passages used to refer to a "second coming" are in reference to Jesus's glorification and/or vindication.

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But I don't think anyone uses those passages in Daniel 7 as being about Jesus's Second Coming.

From his other video, it appears to me that N.T. Wright is post trib in his rapture/resurrection timing view.