Two Sabbaths in Passion week? No!

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Reposting this. Whenever the discussion of which day was Jesus crucified and which day He rose comes up there are arguments asserting there were two Sabbaths in passion week. The arguments claim that the first day of unleavened bread was a Sabbath and in passion week it fell on the day before the weekly Sabbath.
.....Those who present that argument do not know, or ignore the fact, that the 1st and 7th days of unleavened bread [1/7 ULB] are designated as "Holy Convocations." They are never called a Sabbath in either testament. "But," they argue, "there must be two Sabbaths because Jesus was in the tomb for three full days and nights."
.....One can scour the 'net and find many, many sites which claim they can "prove" that there were two Sabbaths in passion week and that Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, Thursday or some other day. The problem is none of those sites quote Jewish sources. So I decided to check Jewish sources to find out if 1/7 ULB are considered Sabbaths by Jews. If that was true in the 1st century it should be true today.
.....Here at this link the Jewish Virtual Library is a list of all the special Sabbaths the Jews observe. The Jews observe thirteen special Sabbaths. Note 1/7 ULB is not one of the special Sabbaths. You may read the description of each one in the 2 page article at the link.
Sabbaths, Special
1 Shabbat Mevorekhin,
2 Shabbat Rosh Hoclesh
3 Shabbat Shuvah
4 Shabbat Hol ha-Moed
5 Shabbat Hanukkah
6) Shabbat Shirah
7 Shabbat Shekalim
8 Shabbat Zakhor
9 Shabbat Parah
10 Shabbat ha-Hodesh
11 Shabbat ha-Gadol
12 Shabbat Hazon
13 Shabbat Nahamu
 

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I believe in a Friday crucifixion and not the literal 3 day theory, but there definitely were two Sabbaths at Christ crucifixion (4th commandment and Passover/Unleavened bread) as it was Passover week Shabbat Ḥol ha-Mo'ed. Passover and Feast of unleavened bread were in the same week (same time). Leviticus 23:5-8 Holy convocation linked to "no servile work" in the Hebrew is translated σάββατον "sabbaton" sabbath in the Greek NT meaning of no servile work. Shabbat Ḥol ha-Mo'ed is point 4 in your Jewish sabbath list above in your OP relating to Passover that is the same time as Feast of Unleavened bread. Shabbat Ha-Gadol is the Shabbat before Pesach (Passover). This is point 11 in your list. A "high day" as in John 19:31 was when a Feast sabbath fell on the weekly Sabbath which was Nissan 15 when Jesus rested in the grave therefore two sabbaths.

Hope this is helpful.
 
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LoveGodsWord said:
I believe in a Friday crucifixion but there definitely two Sabbaths as it was Passover week (4) Shabbat Ḥol ha-Mo'ed. Passover and Feast of unleavened bread were in the same week (same time). Leviticus 23:5-8 Holy convocation is translated (no servile work) is translated σάββατον "sabbaton" sabbath in the Greek NT.
That is a belief held by some because it supports various denominational assumptions/presuppositions.
I would appreciate it if you would read my post and check my link, in the above post. The 1st and 7th day of unleavened bread [1/7 ULB] are never called a Sabbath in either Testament. My link documents that Jews recognize 13 special Sabbaths. The 1/7 ULB is NOT one of the special Sabbaths.
The preparation/cooking of food is prohibited on the Sabbath but the preparation/cooking of food is specifically permitted on 1/7 ULB

Exodus 12:15-16
15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.
16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
I'm pretty sure God knew/knows what He was/is doing. If God wanted 1/7 ULB to be Sabbaths He would have designated them as such, but He did not.
I think some groups decide on their own, without Biblical support that 1/7 ULB are Sabbaths to make scripture fit their false doctrine.
"σάββατον"/ "sabbaton" can mean Sabbaths plural but it also means week. "The first day of the week" is what it means in these verses. Mark16:2, Mark 16:9 Luke 24:1, John 20:1, John 20:19 and Acts of the Apostles 20:7. That is unless you know of a series of Sabbaths which begins on Sunday following Passover. I don't know of any.
Greek has been the language of the Eastern Greek Orthodox church for 2000+ years who better than the faculty of native Greek speaking scholars who translated the Eastern Orthodox Bible know the correct meaning of Greek words in the NT?
Mark 16:1 When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices in order to come and anoint him. 2 Very early on the first day of the week, they arrived at the tomb when the sun had risen.
Cleenewerck, L. (Ed.). (2011). The Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible: New Testament (Mk 16:1–4). Laurent A. Cleenewerck.​

 
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That is a belief held by some because it supports various denominational assumptions/presuppositions.
I would appreciate it if you would read my post and check my link, in the above post. The 1st and 7th day of unleavened bread [1/7 ULB] are never called a Sabbath in either Testament. My link documents that Jews recognize 13 special Sabbaths. The 1/7 ULB is NOT one of the special Sabbaths.
The preparation/cooking of food is prohibited on the Sabbath but the preparation/cooking of food is specifically permitted on 1/7 ULB

Exodus 12:15-16
15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.
16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
I'm pretty sure God knew/knows what He was/is doing. If God wanted 1/7 ULB to be Sabbaths He would have designated them as such, but He did not.
I think some groups decide on their own, without Biblical support that 1/7 ULB are Sabbaths to make scripture fit their false doctrine.
"σάββατον"/ "sabbaton" can mean Sabbaths plural but it also means week. "The first day of the week" is what it means in these verses. Mark16:2, Mark 16:9 Luke 24:1, John 20:1, John 20:19 and Acts of the Apostles 20:7. That is unless you know of a series of Sabbaths which begins on Sunday following Passover. I don't know of any.
Greek has been the language of the Eastern Greek Orthodox church for 2000+ years who better than the faculty of native Greek speaking scholars who translated the Eastern Orthodox Bible know the correct meaning of Greek words in the NT?

Mark 16:1 When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices in order to come and anoint him. 2 Very early on the first day of the week, they arrived at the tomb when the sun had risen.
Cleenewerck, L. (Ed.). (2011). The Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible: New Testament (Mk 16:1–4). Laurent A. Cleenewerck.

Actually no. What was posted is biblical and can be traced through Hebrew and Greek and the scriptures. I read your post and pointed out your list supports two sabbaths in the Passover week pointing out that Shabbat Ḥol ha-Mo'ed (point 4) in your Jewish sabbath list above in your OP relating to Passover that is the same time as Feast of Unleavened bread. Shabbat Ha-Gadol is the Shabbat before Pesach (Passover) and the seventh day weekly Sabbath of the 4th commandment. This is point 11 in your list. A "high day" as in John 19:31 was when a Feast sabbath falls on the weekly Sabbath which in this case was Nissan 15 when Jesus rested in the grave, therefore two sabbaths on the same day (high day). Mark 16:1 is after the Sabbaths (Nissan 16). Your linked Jewish sabbath list of the OT sabbaths do not support your view in your OP that there was not two sabbaths in Passover week. They disagree with you (see point 4 and point 11). Holy convocation linked to "no servile work" *Leviticus 23:5-8 in the Hebrew is translated σάββατον "sabbaton" sabbath in the Greek NT meaning of no servile work - sabbath. All this of course also do not support a view of a Wednesday crucifixion or a literal 3 days and three nights burial. I have not much time at the moment but might let @Yeshua HaDerekh share a little more if he has time and interest as he is Greek orthodox and has a good handle on this subject matter and also keeps these sabbaths.

Thanks for the discussion. :wave:
 
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Actually no. What was posted is biblical and can be traced through Hebrew and Greek and the scriptures. I read your post and pointed out your list supports two sabbaths in the Passover week pointing out that Shabbat Ḥol ha-Mo'ed (point 4) in your Jewish sabbath list above in your OP relating to Passover that is the same time as Feast of Unleavened bread. Shabbat Ha-Gadol is the Shabbat before Pesach (Passover). This is point 11 in your list. A "high day" as in John 19:31 was when a Feast sabbath falls on the weekly Sabbath which in this case was Nissan 15 when Jesus rested in the grave, therefore two sabbaths on the same day (high day). Mark 16:1 is after the Sabbaths (Nissan 16). Your linked Jewish sabbath list of the OT sabbaths do not support your view in your OP that there was not two sabbaths in Passover week. They disagree with you (see point 4 and point 11). Holy convocation linked to "no servile work" *Leviticus 23:5-8 in the Hebrew is translated σάββατον "sabbaton" sabbath in the Greek NT meaning of no servile work - sabbath. All this of course also do not support a view of a Wednesday crucifixion or a literal 3 days and three nights burial. I have not much time at the moment but might let @Yeshua HaDerekh share a little more if he has time and interest as he is Greek orthodox and has a good handle on this subject matter and also keeps these sabbaths.
Thanks for the discussion.
:wave:
'Fraid not. That something is practiced today does not necessarily mean it was a practice in 1st century Israel. There is no mention of a Shabbat ha Gadol in the OT. If the day before Pesach is a Sabbath that would require a preparation day on Thursday of passion week. But,
Mark 15:42
42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
John 19:14
14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
John 19:31
31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
"the preparation" "the Sabbath" NOT the first or second Sabbath.
Here is something I found.

Since medieval times, the Shabbat preceding Pesach is referred to as Shabbat HaGadol (The Great Shabbat). There are a number of customs associated with this Shabbat: 1) a special sermon, known as the Shabbat HaGadol Drasha, is delivered; 2) special additional prayers are inserted into the repetition of the morning Amida; and 3) a portion of the Haggadah is recited.
Since Jewish customs have great importance and meaning, the Shulchan Aruch (the Code of Jewish Law) dedicates an entire chapter to discuss the laws of Shabbat HaGadol.
THE GREAT SHABBAT
Early Rishonim, such as Rashi (1040–1105), point out that even in their days, the meaning behind the Shabbat HaGadol name had become obscured, and they offer explanations as to its significance.
When Shabbat HaGadol Falls on Erev Pesach - Kosher for Passover
 
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'Fraid not. That something is practiced today does not necessarily mean it was a practice in 1st century Israel. There is no mention of a Shabbat ha Gadol in the OT. If the day before Pesach is a Sabbath that would require a preparation day on Thursday of passion week. But,
Mark 15:42
42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
John 19:14
14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
John 19:31
31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
"the preparation" "the Sabbath" NOT the first or second Sabbath.
Here is something I found.

Since medieval times, the Shabbat preceding Pesach is referred to as Shabbat HaGadol (The Great Shabbat). There are a number of customs associated with this Shabbat: 1) a special sermon, known as the Shabbat HaGadol Drasha, is delivered; 2) special additional prayers are inserted into the repetition of the morning Amida; and 3) a portion of the Haggadah is recited.
Since Jewish customs have great importance and meaning, the Shulchan Aruch (the Code of Jewish Law) dedicates an entire chapter to discuss the laws of Shabbat HaGadol.
THE GREAT SHABBAT
Early Rishonim, such as Rashi (1040–1105), point out that even in their days, the meaning behind the Shabbat HaGadol name had become obscured, and they offer explanations as to its significance.
When Shabbat HaGadol Falls on Erev Pesach - Kosher for Passover

"Fraid so, but your now trying to change the discussion to something your OP was not discussing. The claim in your OP was that the linked website supports your view that there is not two sabbaths in the Passover week. Again Leviticus 23:5-8 Holy convocation (a calling out in the Hebrew linked to "no servile work" in the Hebrew is translated σάββατον "sabbaton" sabbath in the Greek NT meaning of no servile work

Leviticus 23:7-8
[7], בַּיּוֹם֙ הָֽרִאשׁ֔וֹן מִקְרָא־ קֹ֖דֶשׁ יִהְיֶ֣ה לָכֶ֑ם כָּל־ מְלֶ֥אכֶת עֲבֹדָ֖ה לֹ֥א תַעֲשֽׂוּ׃
[8], וְהִקְרַבְתֶּ֥ם אִשֶּׁ֛ה לַיהוָ֖ה שִׁבְעַ֣ת יָמִ֑ים בַּיּ֤וֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִי֙ מִקְרָא־ קֹ֔דֶשׁ כָּל־ מְלֶ֥אכֶת עֲבֹדָ֖ה לֹ֥א תַעֲשֽׂוּ׃ פ

The Hebrew meaning here is absolutely no servile work to be done

Leviticus 23:7-8
[7], In the first day you shall have an holy convocation: you shall do no servile work therein.
[8], But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: you shall do no servile work therein.

Now the above is well and good but when you combine the above with Leviticus 23:3, this is a reference to the weekly sabbath in connection with the annual Feast days. In the annual Feasts the Sabbath of Gods' 4th commandment is also a day of holy convocation where no work is to be done just like Leviticus 23:7-8 which is a reference to the first and last days of Passover/Feast of unleavened bread.

Leviticus 23:3
[3], שֵׁ֣שֶׁת יָמִים֮ תֵּעָשֶׂ֣ה מְלָאכָה֒ וּבַיּ֣וֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִ֗י שַׁבַּ֤ת שַׁבָּתוֹן֙ מִקְרָא־ קֹ֔דֶשׁ כָּל־ מְלָאכָ֖ה לֹ֣א תַעֲשׂ֑וּ שַׁבָּ֥ת הִוא֙ לַֽיהוָ֔ה בְּכֹ֖ל מֽוֹשְׁבֹתֵיכֶֽם׃ פ

Leviticus 23:3
[3], Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; you shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

The meaning of Sabbath also in the Greek "Sabbaton" σάββατον is...

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - G4521
The Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications

Sabbath in the Greek depending on scripture context can also mean a day of rest where no work is to be done so a day of holy convocation where no servile work is to be done in Leviticus 23 is also Sabbaton in the Greek. I think you have missed this point.

The seven festivals do not necessarily occur on weekly Shabbat (seventh-day Sabbath) and are called by the name miqra ("called assembly") in Hebrew (Leviticus 23). They are observed by Jews and a minority of Christians. Two of the shabbath (holy assemblies) occur in spring on the first and last day of the Feast of unleavened bread (Matzot). One occurs in the summer, this is the Feast of Weeks (Shavuot). And four occur in the fall in the seventh month. Feast of Trumpets (Yom Teru'ah) on the first day of the seventh month; the second is the Day or Atonement (Yom Kippur); and two during the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot) on the first and last day. Sometimes the word shabbaton is extended to mean all seven festivals.[4] The Gospel of John says of the day beginning following Christ's death, "that sabbath day was a high day" (19:31–42). That night was Nisan 15, just after the first day of Passover week (Unleavened Bread) and an annual miqra and rest day, in most chronologies. (In other systems, it was Nisan 13 or 14, i.e., weekly but not annual Sabbath.) The King James Version may thus be the origin of naming the annual rest days "High Sabbaths" in English. (Wiki)

The Feast of Unleavened Bread (Hag HaMatzah) is a high sabbath day. A high sabbath in Hebrew is called a shabbaton. During Passover, there is an extra sabbath besides the weekly sabbath. These sabbaths are called high sabbaths. The high sabbath of Unleavened Bread can be seen in John 19:31.

A high day is an annual sabbath (Feast sabbath) that coincides with the weekly Sabbath. A High Sabbath is not the weekly seventh-day Sabbath. So the Bible is clear that there were two sabbath days the week Jesus was crucified, but it takes some detective work to discover it. Begin by reading The New Englishman’s Greek Concordance and Lexicon, by Wigram-Green. Look up the Greek word numbered by Strong’s as 4521 and translated as “sabbath” in Matthew 28:1 (King James Version). This publication uses a “note” to delineate whether the word is singular or plural in its original form. There are several plural forms indicated by the note; however, pay particular attention to Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:1; John 20:1, 19. Each of those usages is a plural form of the word sabbath; each should have been translated “sabbaths.” To verify this, check each of these verses in The Holy Bible in Modern English by Ferrar Fenton. You will find that each uses the plural word “sabbaths” rather than the mistranslation of the singular form.

You posted a list of sabbaths from a website when two there are in reference to the Passover/Feast of unleavened bread which supports the view of two sabbaths in the Passover/Feast of Unleavened bread week of Christs Crucifixion disagree both disagree with your view that they support your view that there is was not two sabbaths in the week of Christ crucifixion so your trying to argue now against your own OP. It is clear from your claims here that you do not understand the sabbaths and the feast days. You may need to do a little bit more investigation here.

BTW preparation day (Nissan 14) was not the Passover Feast it was the slaying of the Passover lamb in preparation for the Feast starting at sunset (Nissan 15), so the scriptures you provided in your post do not support your view that there was not two sabbaths in the Passover/Feast of Unleavened bread week.

Anyhow all the best and thank you for the discussion. I will need to leave now

Hope this is helpful. :wave:
 
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"Fraid so, but your now trying to change the discussion to something your OP was not discussing. The claim in your OP was that the linked website supports your view that there is not two sabbaths in the Passover week. Again Leviticus 23:5-8 Holy convocation (a calling out in the Hebrew linked to "no servile work" in the Hebrew is translated σάββατον "sabbaton" sabbath in the Greek NT meaning of no servile work
Leviticus 23:7-8
[7], בַּיּוֹם֙ הָֽרִאשׁ֔וֹן מִקְרָא־ קֹ֖דֶשׁ יִהְיֶ֣ה לָכֶ֑ם כָּל־ מְלֶ֥אכֶת עֲבֹדָ֖ה לֹ֥א תַעֲשֽׂוּ׃
[8], וְהִקְרַבְתֶּ֥ם אִשֶּׁ֛ה לַיהוָ֖ה שִׁבְעַ֣ת יָמִ֑ים בַּיּ֤וֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִי֙ מִקְרָא־ קֹ֔דֶשׁ כָּל־ מְלֶ֥אכֶת עֲבֹדָ֖ה לֹ֥א תַעֲשֽׂוּ׃ פ
The Hebrew meaning here is absolutely no servile work to be done
Leviticus 23:7-8
[7], In the first day you shall have an holy convocation: you shall do no servile work therein.
[8], But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: you shall do no servile work therein.
Now the above is well and good but when you combine the above with Leviticus 23:3, this is a reference to the weekly sabbath in connection with the annual Feast days. In the annual Feasts the Sabbath of Gods' 4th commandment is also a day of holy convocation where no work is to be done just like Leviticus 23:7-8 which is a reference to the first and last days of Passover/Feast of unleavened bread.
Leviticus 23:3
[3], שֵׁ֣שֶׁת יָמִים֮ תֵּעָשֶׂ֣ה מְלָאכָה֒ וּבַיּ֣וֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִ֗י שַׁבַּ֤ת שַׁבָּתוֹן֙ מִקְרָא־ קֹ֔דֶשׁ כָּל־ מְלָאכָ֖ה לֹ֣א תַעֲשׂ֑וּ שַׁבָּ֥ת הִוא֙ לַֽיהוָ֔ה ל מֽוֹשְׁבֹתֵיכֶֽם׃ פ
Leviticus 23:3
[3], Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; you shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
The meaning of Sabbath also in the Greek "Sabbaton" σάββατον is...
Nothing you have quoted here shows that 1/7 ULB are a Sabbath. Nothing! If God had inten ded for 1/7 ULB to be called/treated as a Sabbath He would have done so. 1/7 ULB are NEVER called a Sabbath in either testament.
Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - G4521
The Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications.
You evidently did not read/understand your own quote. The plural "Sabbaton" also means "week." "by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications."

Sabbath in the Greek depending on scripture context can also mean a day of rest where no work is to be done so a day of holy convocation where no servile work is to be done in Leviticus 23 is also Sabbaton in the Greek. I think you have missed this point.
The seven festivals do not necessarily occur on weekly Shabbat (seventh-day Sabbath) and are called by the name miqra ("called assembly") in Hebrew (Leviticus 23). They are observed by Jews and a minority of Christians. Two of the shabbath (holy assemblies) occur in spring on the first and last day of the Feast of unleavened bread (Matzot). One occurs in the summer, this is the Feast of Weeks (Shavuot). And four occur in the fall in the seventh month. Feast of Trumpets (Yom Teru'ah) on the first day of the seventh month; the second is the Day or Atonement (Yom Kippur); and two during the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot) on the first and last day. Sometimes the word shabbaton is extended to mean all seven festivals.[4] The Gospel of John says of the day beginning following Christ's death, "that sabbath day was a high day" (19:31–42). That night was Nisan 15, just after the first day of Passover week (Unleavened Bread) and an annual miqra and rest day, in most chronologies. (In other systems, it was Nisan 13 or 14, i.e., weekly but not annual Sabbath.) The King James Version may thus be the origin of naming the annual rest days "High Sabbaths" in English. (Wiki)
The Feast of Unleavened Bread (Hag HaMatzah) is a high sabbath day. A high sabbath in Hebrew is called a shabbaton. During Passover, there is an extra sabbath besides the weekly sabbath. These sabbaths are called high sabbaths. The high sabbath of Unleavened Bread can be seen in John 19:31.
A high day is an annual sabbath (Feast sabbath) that coincides with the weekly Sabbath. A High Sabbath is not the weekly seventh-day Sabbath. So the Bible is clear that there were two sabbath days the week Jesus was crucified, but it takes some detective work to discover it. Begin by reading The New Englishman’s Greek Concordance and Lexicon, by Wigram-Green. Look up the Greek word numbered by Strong’s as 4521 and translated as “sabbath” in Matthew 28:1 (King James Version). This publication uses a “note” to delineate whether the word is singular or plural in its original form. There are several plural forms indicated by the note; however, pay particular attention to Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:1; John 20:1, 19. Each of those usages is a plural form of the word sabbath; each should have been translated “sabbaths.” To verify this, check each of these verses in The Holy Bible in Modern English by Ferrar Fenton. You will find that each uses the plural word “sabbaths” rather than the mistranslation of the singular form.
You posted a list of sabbaths from a website when two there are in reference to the Passover/Feast of unleavened bread which supports the view of two sabbaths in the Passover/Feast of Unleavened bread week of Christs Crucifixion disagree both disagree with your view that they support your view that there is was not two sabbaths in the week of Christ crucifixion so your trying to argue now against your own OP. It is clear from your claims here that you do not understand the sabbaths and the feast days. You may need to do a little bit more investigation here.
BTW preparation day (Nissan 14) was not the Passover Feast it was the slaying of the Passover lamb in preparation for the Feast starting at sunset (Nissan 15), so the scriptures you provided in your post do not support your view that there was not two sabbaths in the Passover/Feast of Unleavened bread week.
Anyhow all the best and thank you for the discussion. I will need to leave now
Hope this is helpful
No NOT helpful. One can find a pet Bible version which will support almost any heretical view. If I want the correct interpretation of the Greek NT I refer to the EOB, Eastern Orthodox Bible.
Greek has been the language of the Eastern Greek Orthodox church for 2000+ years. Who better than the faculty of native Greek speaking scholars who translated the EOB know the correct meaning of Greek words in the NT.

EOB Mark 16:1 When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices in order to come and anoint him. 2 Very early on the first day of the week, they arrived at the tomb when the sun had risen.
Cleenewerck, L. (Ed.). (2011). The Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible: New Testament (Mk 16:1–4). Laurent A. Cleenewerck.
You seem not to know the "parasceue" which means "preparation" at the time of Jesus to the present day was and is the name of the day we call Friday.
 
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Nothing you have quoted here shows that 1/7 ULB are a Sabbath. Nothing! If God had inten ded for 1/7 ULB to be called/treated as a Sabbath He would have done so. 1/7 ULB are NEVER called a Sabbath in either testament.
Sure it does. It seems you do not believe what was shared with you from the scriptures earlier and from your own OP source though. Anyhow you are free to believe as you wish. This is not a big deal for me here so what you believe here does not really matter much for me as I do not believe in the Wednesday Crucifixion which is who your audience is for this OP. So I do not have much interest here so I am trying to be unbiased and just considering your OP and linked website and the scriptures which I believe do not support your view.
You evidently did not read/understand your own quote. The plural "Sabbaton" also means "week." "by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications."

No NOT helpful. One can find a pet Bible version which will support almost any heretical view. If I want the correct interpretation of the Greek NT I refer to the EOB, Eastern Orthodox Bible.
Greek has been the language of the Eastern Greek Orthodox church for 2000+ years. Who better than the faculty of native Greek speaking scholars who translated the EOB know the correct meaning of Greek words in the NT.
EOB Mark 16:1 When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices in order to come and anoint him. 2 Very early on the first day of the week, they arrived at the tomb when the sun had risen.
Cleenewerck, L. (Ed.). (2011). The Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible: New Testament (Mk 16:1–4). Laurent A. Cleenewerck.​
You seem not to know the "parasceue" which means "preparation" at the time of Jesus to the resent day was and is the name of the day we call Friday.

Sorry you are wrong here. I have never seen a perfect bible version to be honest. Most are generally good but all have mistakes in them. I am simply pointing out that there is nothing you have provided here in your OP that proves your view that in the Greek which is what we are discussing when it comes to Jesus death in the Passover/Feast of unleavened bread annual Festival that the days of holy convocation are not applied in the Greek as sabbaths. You have already been shown the Hebrew and Greek applications to "Sabbaton" σάββατον. You have already been shown that the Greek application is to sabbath plural (Genetive neauter plural) in the original Greek from Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:1; John 20:1

e.g...

Berean Literal Bible
And after the Sabbaths, it being dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

Godbey New Testament
And late on the Sabbath-day, on the dawn toward the first of the Sabbaths, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the sepulcher.

International Standard Version
After the Sabbaths, around dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to take a look at the burial site.

Literal Standard Version
Now after [the] Sabbaths, it being dawn, toward the first [day] of the weeks, Mary the Magdalene came, and the other Mary, to see the grave.

Smith's Literal Translation
And after the sabbaths, in the shining forth to one of the sabbaths, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to behold the tomb.

Worrell New Testament
Now, in the end of sabbaths at the dawning toward the first day of sabbaths, came Mary Magdelene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Young's Literal Translation
And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

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You also run into other problems in the Greek and how the Hebrews understood the Feast days of holy convocation where no work is to be done with other scriptures already pointed out like...

John 19:31 [31], The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the sabbath day, for that sabbath day was an high day, sought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

What is a high Sabbath?

You may also want to consider historical usage in your study...

(1) Chrysostom, Hom. 40 in Matth.: ὅταν διπλῆ ἡ ἀργία ᾖ καὶ τοῦ σαββάτου τοῦ κυρίου καὶ ἑτέρας ἑορτῆς διαδεχομένης, so that thus is understood a feast-day immediately following the Sabbath. Comp. Epiphanius, Haer. 30, 31. So also Beza, Paulus, and Olshausen. (2) Theophylact understands a Sabbath, the day before which (παρασκευή) had been a feast-day. [97] (3) Isidore of Pelusium, Ep. iii. 110 (comp. Euthymius Zigabenus, Calvin, Surenhusius, Wolf), thinks that the πρώτη τῶν ἀζύμων is meant, and was called ΔΕΥΤΕΡΟΠΡΏΤΗ: ἘΠΕΙΔῊ ΔΕΎΤΕΡΟΝ ΜῈΝ ἮΝ ΤΟῦ ΠΆΣΧΑ, ΠΡῶΤΟΝ ΔῈ ΤῶΝ ἈΖΎΜΩΝ· ἙΣΠΈΡΑς ΓᾺΡ ΘΎΟΝΤΕς ΤῸ ΠΆΣΧΑ Τῇ ἙΞῆς ΤῊΝ ΤῶΝ ἈΖΎΜΩΝ ἘΠΑΝΗΓΎΡΙΖΟΝ ἙΟΡΤῊΝ, ἫΝ ΚΑῚ ΔΕΥΤΕΡΌΠΡΩΤΟΝ ἘΚΆΛΟΥΝ,—that every festival was called a Sabbath.
Comp. Saalschütz: “the second day of the first feast (Passover).” (4) Most prevalent has become the view of Scaliger (Emend. tempor. VI. p. 557) and Petavius, that it is the first Sabbath after the second day of the Passover.[98] Comp. already Epiphanius, Haer. xxx. 31.

From the second Easter day (on which the first ripe ears of corn were offered on the altar, Leviticus 23:10 ff.; Lightfoot, p. 340) were numbered seven Sabbaths down to Pentecost, Leviticus 23:15. Comp. also Winer, Realwörterb. II. p. 348 ff.; Ewald, Jahrb. I. p. 72, and Gesch. Chr. p. 304. (5) According to the same reckoning, distinguishing the three first Sabbaths of the season between Easter and Pentecost from the rest, Redslob in the Intell. Bl. der allgem. Lit. Zeit., Dec. 1847, p. 570 f., says that it was the second Sabbath after the second Easter day, δευτερόπρωτος being equivalent to ΔΕΎΤΕΤΟς ΤῶΝ ΠΡΏΤΩΝ, therefore about fourteen days after Easter. Comp. Ewald, Jahrb. XI. p. 254: that it was the second of the two first Sabbaths of the Passover month. (6) Von Til and Wetstein: that it was the first Sabbath of the second month (Igar). So also Storr and others. (7) Credner, Beitr. I. p. 357, concludes that according to the κήρυγμα τοῦ Πέτρου (in Clem. Strom. vi. 5, p. 760, Pott) the Sabbath at the full moon was called πρῶτον (a mistaken explanation of the words, see Wieseler, p. 232 f.), and hence that a Sabbath at the new moon was to be understood. (8) Hitzig, Ostern und Pfingst. p. 19 ff. (agreeing with Theophylact as to the idea conveyed by the word), conceives that it was the fifteenth Nisan, which, according to Leviticus 23:11, had been called a Sabbath, and was named δευτερόπρ., because (but see, on the other hand, Wieseler, p. 353 ff.) the fourteenth Nisan always fell on a Saturday. (9) Wieseler, l.c. p. 231 ff.,[99] thinks that it was the second-first Sabbath of the year in a cycle of seven years, i.e. the first Sabbath of the second year in a week of years.

Already L. Capellus, Rhenferd, and Lampe (ad Joh. II. p. 5) understood it to be the first month in the year (Nisan), but explained the name from the fact that the year had two first Sabbaths, namely, in Tisri, when the civil year began, and in Nisan, when the ecclesiastical year began. (10) Ebrard, p. 414 f., following Krafft (Chron. und Harm. d. vier Evang. p. 18 f.), regards it as the weekly Sabbath that occurs between the first and last Easter days (feast-Sabbaths). For yet other interpretations (Grotius and Valckenaer: that the Sabbath before Easter was called the first great one πρωτὸπρωτον, the Sabbath before Pentecost the second great one δευτερόπρωτον, the Sabbath before the feast of Tabernacles ΤΡΙΤΌΠΡΩΤΟΝ[100]), see in Calovius, Bibl. Ill., and Lübkert, l.c. (Meyer)

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Then also in the Greek you may want to also consider Luke 6:1 (this was a different year not a High Sabbath)...

Luke 6:1 [1], And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
Luke 6:1 The second sabbath after the first. The Jews had several sabbaths; besides the seventh day sabbath, which was weekly, all their festival days were called sabbaths. On the fourteenth day of the first month, at evening, began the passover; on the fifteenth day began their feast of unleavened bread, which held seven days, every one of which was called a sabbath; but the first day and the seventh day were to be days of holy convocation, in which no work was to be done that was servile, Leviticus 23:7. Then they had their feast of first fruits. Fifty days after that they had their feast of pentecost. Some understand by the second sabbath after the first, the seventh day of the feast of unleavened bread. Others, their second great festival. It is very hard to resolve, and not material for us to know. For the history itself: See Poole on "Matthew 12:1", and following verses to Matthew 12:8.

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Anyhow summary is that you have provided nothing in your OP that says that the annual Feast days specifically Passover/Feast of unleavened bread (Holy days of convocation where no work is allowed 1/7) were not considered sabbaths (sabbaton) in the Greek resulting in a High Sabbath discussed in John 19:31 that year that Jesus died.

The Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread BTW are prophetic Feasts pointing to Jesus as our true Passover and unleavened bread representing the truth of Gods' Word.

So I will leave you with this...

1 Corinthians 5:6-8 [6], Your glorying is not good. Know you not that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? [7], Purge out therefore the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:[8], Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

I am sorry we will agree to disagree here.

Thanks for the discussion though :wave:
 
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LoveGodsWord said:
Sure it does. It seems you do not believe what was shared with you from the scriptures earlier and from your own OP source though. Anyhow you are free to believe as you wish. This is not a big deal for me here so what you believe here does not really matter much for me as I do not believe in the Wednesday Crucifixion which is who your audience is for this OP. So I do not have much interest here so I am trying to be unbiased and just considering your OP and linked website and the scriptures which I believe do not support your view.
LoveGodsWord said:
You quoted a lot of stuff but no, zero, none Jewish sources or scripture which show that 1st/7th day of Unleavened Bread [1/7 ULB] is ever called a Sabbath by God in the OT.
If God had wanted to call 1/7 ULB He would have done so but not one single verse in either testament calls 1/7 ULB a Sabbath.
All work including preparing and cooking food is prohibited on the Sabbath.
But preparing and cooking food is specifically permitted on 1/7 ULB

Exodus 12:15-16
15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; howbeit the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses; for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.
16 And in the first day there shall be to you a holy convocation, and in the seventh day a holy convocation; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done by you.
Not only is 1/7 ULB never called a Sabbath anywhere in the Bible but preparing and cooking food would exclude it from being a Sabbath.


 
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No such thing as a High Sabbath. Not in the Scriptures, not in Jewish tradition. It is a made up term. John's Gospel refers only to a "high day", which happened to be on a weekly Sabbath.
I found this while looking for Jewish sources about this topic.
Since medieval times, the Shabbat preceding Pesach is referred to as Shabbat HaGadol (The Great Shabbat). There are a number of customs associated with this Shabbat: 1) a special sermon, known as the Shabbat HaGadol Drasha, is delivered; 2) special additional prayers are inserted into the repetition of the morning Amida; and 3) a portion of the Haggadah is recited.
Since Jewish customs have great importance and meaning, the Shulchan Aruch (the Code of Jewish Law) dedicates an entire chapter to discuss the laws of Shabbat HaGadol.
THE GREAT SHABBAT
Early Rishonim, such as Rashi (1040–1105), point out that even in their days, the meaning behind the Shabbat HaGadol name had become obscured, and they offer explanations as to its significance.
When Shabbat HaGadol Falls on Erev Pesach - Kosher for Passover
 
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