Why is there little environmental awareness within Christianity?

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Personally, Psalm 104, which is part of the Orthodox Vespers service, is one of my favorites as it describes creation and man's place in it.

Beat me to it. I think there was a loss of this sort of consciousness at some point. It's interesting, and perhaps the subject for another thread. Gerard Manley Hopkins is a great poet to read for this:

God's Grandeur

The world is charged with the grandeur of God.
It will flame out, like shining from shook foil;
It gathers to a greatness, like the ooze of oil
Crushed. Why do men then now not reck his rod?
Generations have trod, have trod, have trod;
And all is seared with trade; bleared, smeared with toil;
And wears man's smudge and shares man's smell: the soil
Is bare now, nor can foot feel, being shod.

And for all this, nature is never spent;
There lives the dearest freshness deep down things;
And though the last lights off the black West went
Oh, morning, at the brown brink eastward, springs —
Because the Holy Ghost over the bent
World broods with warm breast and with ah! bright wings.


Coleridge is another. See the Rime of the Ancient Mariner, and poems like the Aeolian Harp.
 
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The Church has always been creation-positive, to that end environmentalism is a naturally Christian ethos.

The reason why there are some Christians who do not share in that has nothing to do with Christianity, but everything to do with modern politics and really bad theology.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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The Church has always been creation-positive, to that end environmentalism is a naturally Christian ethos.

The reason why there are some Christians who do not share in that has nothing to do with Christianity, but everything to do with modern politics and really bad theology.

-CryptoLutheran

Video: Opinion | The Church Forests of Ethiopia

This video shows the Church forests of the Coptic church. This is an example of the kind of thing I mean. You see a deep appreciation and love of nature which goes beyond a general positivity. It's rich, theologically informed and transformative. I would love to see this sort of thing occuring throughout the church.
 
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I'm curious as to why environmentalism hasn't really taken hold within Christianity. Even within the progressive movement there is very little attention directed towards environmentalism.

Despite the overall conservative views of the Orthodox churches concerning human sexuality, the family, self-responsibility and so on, there is a very large environmentalist aspect in the Eastern, Oriental and Assyrian churches, and predates popular environmentalism. When Metropolitan Kallistos Ware was still serving as a monk on the Island of Patmos, at the Monastery of St. John, the abbot, who was also the only priest on the island authorized to hear confessions, unusually for an Orthodox confessor in my experience, would penance farmers who confessed, and the penance was always to plant a tree. And the abbot would inspect the trees as he travelled around the island, to make sure they were watered, and properly cared for.

At the time, the island was an arid desert, but now it is lush and verdant. Development on Mount Athos, the holiest site in Eastern Orthodoxy, is non existent, the focus being on preserving or repairing existing structures, there being many abandoned hermitages on the island. Every Orthodox monastery puts a premium on taking care of the land, and most grow their own foods, among other things. Easily half also lack modern conveniences in terms of plumbing and electrical lighting, and at most, these modern conveniences are limited to certain parts of the monastery.

Furthermore, many Orthodox hermitages and monasteries in the desert are sustained by natural springs. Orthodox saints, particularly hermits like Saint Paul the Hermit and Saint Seraphim of Sarov, are known for their love and friendship with, and even in the case of Paul the Hermit - their dependence, on wild animals.

Here is an article on Orthodoxy and Environmentalism by Metropolitan Kallistos Ware: Incommunion » Through Creation to the Creator

My understanding is that those Orthodox Christians, especially those from the former Soviet Union (predominantly Russian Orthodox, Ukrainian Orthodox, Georgian Orthodox and Armenian Orthodox), were particularly traumatized by the extreme environmental abuse the Soviet government engaged in, which included detonating the most powerful nuclear bomb, draining the Aral Sea, which was one of the largest in the world, creating a lake filled with radioactive water, mining uranium in an unsafe manner, so the impoverished Kyrgistani town with its ageing pan-Soviet population, who are unemployed and have pensions that are impossibly small, are surrounded by toxic and radioactive runoff from cheaply built uranium mines, massive pollution from industrial coal, including coal chemical plants that released toxic material into the air and water (Filmimg such a plant for his science fiction epic Stalker is believed to have given the celebrated director of films like Solaris, Andrei Tarkovsky, cancer, which killed him just a few years after he was allowed to leave the Soviet Union in 1986), and in that same year, through improper design and incompetent technical leadership, blowing up reactor no. 4 at Chernobyl, the worst nuclear disaster in history, with many towns still uninhabitable, an incident orders of magnitude worse than Fukushima and infinitely worse than Three Mile Island, and numerous other abuses*, have traumatized the more devout Orthodox Christians and left some in a state of denial, just as I am in denial about the destruction of Paradise, California, a town I lived in as a child and always loved.

Capella Romana, the most famous Orthodox choir, recently recorded A Time For Life, an environmental oratorio, composed by Robert Kyr, which is quite beautiful.

I am myself am inclined towards conservatism, although I remain politically neutral for purposes of pastoral care, except on issues that impact the church, for example, the ruling elders of my congregation and I have agreed that unrepentant abortionists and politicians who are not pro-life may not fellowship with us unless they repent. However, I do support public transport systems, safe new generation nuclear power plants (which are not vulnerable to the failure modes that destroyed TMI-2, Chernobyl* and Fukushima, namely, meltdowns due to loss of cooling, loss of control and power excursions, and loss of electrical power to drive cooling systems) and hydro-engineering projects in the form of vast networks of aqueducts to compensate for recent shifts in climate patterns and man made disasters resulting in chronic draughts, chronic flooding and the drainage of the Aral Sea. I am also interested in newer, larger tankers and container ships with solar power to supplement the diesel prime movers, and also possible nuclear merchant ships, following in the footsteps of the Savannah the US demonstrated in the 1960s.

In that I care about these things, this is one point of agreement with the UCC, which I left because I feel they increasingly tolerate clergy who do care more about Earth Day than Easter. But the UCC as a whole would never agree with the technologies I advocate, particularly nuclear energy and aqueducts.

Historically, Congregationalists stood for individual freedom; we were called “the black robed regiment” during the Revolutionary War, and were strongly Abolitionist. I don’t think that the engineering problems we need to solve to protect the environment should impact the individual in any noticeable way.

I believe, for instance, that people should remain free to own sports cars, and maybe, if I might venture a partial jest, if we had much better public transport, combined with expensive gas and inexpensive, irresistibly fun and beautiful gas-guzzling cars, with faster speed limits on certain highways, that combination would result in people traveling in a much more efficient manner and enjoying themselves more. :p

Ultimately, prayer is the answer; we have an obligation for stewardship of this world God has given us, but so many things are beyond our control.
 
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Video: Opinion | The Church Forests of Ethiopia

This video shows the Church forests of the Coptic church. This is an example of the kind of thing I mean. You see a deep appreciation and love of nature which goes beyond a general positivity. It's rich, theologically informed and transformative. I would love to see this sort of thing occuring throughout the church.

The highlight for the Orthodox feast of Theophany, that is Jesus' Baptism, is going to a local lake or if you are in Florida out to the coast for the Great Blessing of Water. The prayer reads in part, written by St. Sophronius of Jerusalem in the 7th century. So this prayer is been repeated annually in every Orthodox church for 1,400 years (give or take a few)

...Today the grace of the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove dwelt upon the waters. Today the Sun that never sets has dawned and the world is made radiant with the light of the Lord. Today the Moon with its radiant beams sheds light on the world. Today the stars formed of light make the inhabited world lovely with the brightness of their splendour. Today the clouds rain down from heaven the shower of justice for mankind... By your own will you brought the universe from non-existence into being, you hold creation together by your might, and by your providence you direct the world. You composed creation from four elements; with four seasons you crowned the circle of the year. All the spiritual Powers tremble before you. The sun sings your praise, the moon glorifies you, the stars entreat you, the light obeys you, the deeps tremble before you, the springs are your servants. You stretched out the heavens on the waters; you walled in the sea with sand; you poured out the air for breathing.​
 
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I'm curious as to why environmentalism hasn't really taken hold within Christianity. Even within the progressive movement there is very little attention directed towards environmentalism. I suppose it makes sense in a way. God is going to come and restore everything anyway, so why bother?

On the other hand, God has given the Earth to us as a gift. The parable of the talents could perhaps be pressed into service here. When Christ returns, will He ask us how we tended the garden we have been given?

In addition, given that the effects of our environmental destruction wreak the most havoc in the developing world, perhaps we should have a ministry focusing on curbing some of our excesses for their sake? It's an easy way to enact the compassion Christ has called us to demonstrate.

Even if you're a climate sceptic, it is undeniable that we are polluting our children's inheritance. We may have to live with the consequences for centuries to come. No one knows the day or the hour.

It's a little puzzling really.

Environmental "Awareness" or environmental hyper-fearful?

We are "aware" that barges of garbage are getting dumped in the ocean - that has to stop. Anyone living in a state that does that should be active in trying to stop it.

We are "aware" that China is the number one air polluting nation --
China is world’s worst polluting nation, officials admit.


The U.S. is in the 11 LEAST polluting nations in the world
Most Polluted Countries 2021

That chart shows that of the top 13 most polluting nations in the world - none of them are Christian nations.

Lesson for Christians:
If we had been more active in spreading the gospel to those 13 worst polluting nations maybe they would not have remained as "The worst" so long.
 
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Even if you're a climate sceptic,

Attention "climate skeptics" --

Little Ice Age | geochronology.
"1300–1850. The Little Ice Age followed the Medieval Warming Period (roughly 900–1300 A.D.) and preceded the present period of warming that began in the late 19th and early 20th centuries."

So here is the kicker - from 900A.D. to 1300 A.D. we had the mini-ice-age but today "no mini ice age".

that means that from 1300 A.D. to the present there has been overall - "Global Warming".

So the question is - are we headed for another mini ice age?

We’re Due For Another Ice Age But Climate Change May Push It Back Another 100,000 Years, Researchers Say | The Weather Channel - Articles from The Weather Channel | weather.com
where we find this
We’re Due For Another Ice Age But Climate Change May Push It Back Another 100,000 Years, Researchers Say
By Ada Carr
March 27, 2017

that dirty rotten form of "climate change" is pushing back the sort of climate change that would take us to another ice age. How can we as Christians let this stand??

Being propelled head-long into another tragic ice age was "just within our grasp!" - but then the "dirty rotten" form of climate change threw a monkey wrench into that ideal scenario.
 
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Video: Opinion | The Church Forests of Ethiopia

This video shows the Church forests of the Coptic church. This is an example of the kind of thing I mean. You see a deep appreciation and love of nature which goes beyond a general positivity. It's rich, theologically informed and transformative. I would love to see this sort of thing occuring throughout the church.

As far as much of the modern western Church goes, this would require challenging deep seated problematic doctrines, such as Dispensationalism on a very large scale. Neo-Protestant Apocalypticism, which broadly also includes Dispensationalism, is part of a theological trend that emerged in a post-Reformation climate that descended away from much of the orthodoxy of the past and toward divergent opinions. It's the same climate of theology that has resulted in a general ignorance of the doctrine of bodily resurrection, that has turned God's redemptive work through Christ from the redemptive work of God healing, renewing, and ultimately restoring all of creation into a kind of quasi-Gnostic escapism in which salvation has come to mean abandoning this world and going to heaven when we die.

Without major theological reform, without challenging deep rooted heterodox theologies which are often blended very strongly with certain political opinions--politics shaped and informed by bad and heterodox theology--without that work, it's going to be very difficult to move away from current trends of many churches supporting destructive environmental policies, rejecting the hard science of climate change in favor of power- and wealth-driven pseudo-science.

If we live in blindness that God's creation is hurting, and that it has been driven by modern anthropogenic causes, then we aren't going to be speaking truth to power for effective change in the policies and actions of the governments; which we have been called as Christians to holding the vocation of citizen for the good of our neighbor.

The goal is not human-originated utopia on earth; but Christian secular vocation as disciples of the Risen Lord Jesus who calls us to lives of discipleship in this world. That discipleship is not about "winning souls for heaven", but proclaiming the Gospel and living our faith out in the world in love; to be disciples. Our discipleship is found in our vocations--loving others and serving Jesus by our love of others wherever we find ourselves. In our smallest of relationships to our largest relationships; from the friendship we have with others, to our responsibilities as neighbor-citizens and simply as human beings.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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<==== chemical engineer who has worked on Superfund sites. Believe me, I've seen the research.

And your qualifications are?

My qualifications are being able to read and understand actual data that falsifies man-caused global warming.

Such as the fact that during the MEDIEVAL WARM PERIOD the earth was several degrees warmer than today, with zero catastrophic flooding from polar ice melting.

Such as the fact that C02 levels were in the past TEN TIMES the amount of today’s levels, still with no catastrophic flooding that’s constantly predicted by the alarmists.

Such as the fact that increase in global temperatures always precedes increases in C02 levels, which is opposite of the anthropogenic warming scenario - thus obviously C02 levels do not drive temperature increases.

That’s because earth has warming and cooling cycles, such as the 24 warming and cooling events in the EEMIAN, that occurred long before the industrial revolution and pollution from smokestacks, that’s driven by sun cycles of warming and cooling during solar minimums and maximums, which explains why Mars had polar ice melting too, and Mars has no “little green men” with smokestack emissions.
 
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My qualifications are being able to read and understand actual data that falsifies man-caused global warming.

So you have no professional training and just read stuff on the internet. I think my four years of earning a professional degree and being certified by the State of Ohio as an Engineer-in-Training (which is prior to getting a PE License) exceed yours by a large margin.
 
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So you have no professional training and just read stuff on the internet. I think my four years of earning a professional degree and being certified by the State of Ohio as an Engineer-in-Training (which is prior to getting a PE License) exceed yours by a large margin.

But is irrelevant until you respond to some actual fact on the topic and we can see if this is indeed your "Field of post-doc study or research" -- otherwise it is just some opinion we are reading on the thread that may or may not hold up under close review.
 
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But is irrelevant until you respond to some actual fact on the topic and we can see if this is indeed your "Field of post-doc study or research" -- otherwise it is just some opinion we are reading on the thread that may or may not hold up under close review.
you mean "like the OP"? Which does not make sense or connection to the Truth of the biblical history of the creation?
 
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But is irrelevant until you respond to some actual fact on the topic and we can see if this is indeed your "Field of post-doc study or research" -- otherwise it is just some opinion we are reading on the thread that may or may not hold up under close review.

I did have a paper published back in 1999 to the French Ministry of Energy when I was designing fuel ethanol plants regarding carbon emissions using C5 and C6 technology to utilize leftover grape residue from the wine making process. It's not a post-doctorate field of study, but professional enough.
 
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I did have a paper published back in 1999 to the French Ministry of Energy when I was designing fuel ethanol plants regarding carbon emissions using C5 and C6 technology to utilize leftover grape residue from the wine making process. It's not a post-doctorate field of study, but professional enough.

Well correct me if I am wrong but this thread is not about opposing alternatives to fossil fuels. I certainly agree that alternatives "exist".

Some questions were raised about the history of planet earth and the various periods of global warming since the ice age and even before it and how a rise in CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere increased after the warming and not before. An interesting topic to look at - but I don't see how ethanol changes that history.

My post was about whether climate scientists as reported by the weather channel , think we are heading for another ice age (but for global warming).
 
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I began as an environmental engineer, so back in the 1980s as engineering students we were already beginning to study climate change. Therefore, I believe the science, not random stuff generated by paranoid delusional idiots who are convinced that we need to roll coal in order to save our economy. I dont need to defend my background anymore.
 
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I began as an environmental engineer, so back in the 1980s as engineering students we were already beginning to study climate change. Therefore, I believe the science, not random stuff generated by paranoid delusional idiots who are convinced that we need to roll coal in order to save our economy. I dont need to defend my background anymore.

This is not about defending anyone's background it is about the science facts posted on the thread.

I am the last person that would drag your background into it.
 
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