Can You Be Fired for Refusing to Get Vaccinated?

hislegacy said:

Do private companies have the right to establish their own policies or not?

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Regarding the bodies and medications that employees take?

No.

There's such a thing as Dr-patient confidentiality and this would clearly violate it.

Ana the Ist said:

Regarding the bodies and medications that employees take?

No.

There's such a thing as Dr-patient confidentiality and this would clearly violate it.

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How about like my wife’s company. Present your cold vaccination form and there are no restrictions. Choose not to and wear masks in the office.

hislegacy said:

How about like my wife’s company. Present your cold vaccination form and there are no restrictions. Choose not to and wear masks in the office.

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I don't know what company your wife works for.

sesquiterpene said:

This is another antivaxx falsehood that's been making the rounds. The study protocol contains standard verbiage concerning accidental spillage of a drug onto another person.

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Have you closely read the section in your link dealing with the protocol pdf I shared? "Debunking" that relies on phrases like "it's not evident ..."or "it's fairly standard" don't substitute for actual scientific studies and usually raise my concerns even more.

Ana the Ist said:

I don't know what company your wife works for.

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what difference does it make? Do they have the right or don’t they?

sesquiterpene said:

I already posted one, it's in the one with the graph in it:https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download

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Here's a quote from your study under section 8.4 Unknown Risks/Data Gaps

"However, risk of vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains unknown and needs to be evaluated further in ongoing clinical trials and in observational studies that could be conducted following authorization and/or licensure"

In other words, long-term effects are unknown.

Fantine said:

I didn't know anyone who feared the vaccine. We all recognized it would be tested and approved by the FDA and worldwide.

I am so grateful that we are releasing the patents to other countries--after all, we paid for the pharmaceuticals' research with our tax dollars. When Alex Azar, who, pre-Trump, was known for price gouging drugs, led the effort, he wouldn't even commit to making it free to Americans until he realized he would never get away with it.

This is a worldwide crisis and a worldwide struggle, and we should be bound by conscience and ethics to roll up our sleeve.

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You know why it was tested and approved in one year and not the normal 10-20 years? Operation Warp Speed. Trump pushed it. So it must be bad.

hislegacy said:

what difference does it make? Do they have the right or don’t they?

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Again, I don't know what company your wife works for. I don't know the exact wording of the policy. I don't know if your wife knows.

civilwarbuff said:

We have the democrats to thank for that. Anyone remember last year's comments prior to the election.....'I don't trust TRUMP'S vaccine!' or 'I wouldn't trust anything produced by the TRUMP admin.' and other comments to that effect. Remember those?.......not long before the election when it looked like a vaccine would be available by December? Be careful what you wish for........or at least try not to complain about the results.

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Except it is the Republican supporters by and large that are refusing to be vaccinated.

There was very good reason to be concerned about things that D Trump says and things that his administration does. D Trump is notorious for lying. And so there is good reason to be skeptical about Operation Warp Speed, especially when you are talking about injecting stuff into people's bodies.

What the Democrats said was, they are not going to take D Trump's word for it, instead they are going to take the word of the scientists.
Well, the scientists have been saying it is fine, so the Democrats have been accepting of the vaccine and have been promoting it.

The Republicans on the other hand.
Trump took it in secret, made sure noone else knew he took it. Right wing media especially Tucker Carlson have been propogating conspiracies about it, and many of Trump's MAGA supporters (who refuse to wear masks, who grumble about social distancing) are refusing to take the vaccination too.

Another thing to consider. If a company requires vaccination and the employee is injured or dies as a result, who is legally liable when the govt, vaccine makers, and vaccinators all have immunity? The company? And will the employee's group insurance even cover covid-19 vaccine injury/death?

Rachel20 said:

Here's a quote from your study under section 8.4 Unknown Risks/Data Gaps

"However, risk of vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains unknown and needs to be evaluated further in ongoing clinical trials and in observational studies that could be conducted following authorization and/or licensure"

In other words, long-term effects are unknown.

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Goalpost shift noted: the study I posted was in response to your request for studies on wild type viruses. Do you even understand how these studies are conducted? They inject 50% with the vaccine and 50% with the placebo, then wait to see how many in each group are infected - and all of the infections are with wild type virus. How could it be otherwise? I repeat: all of the efficacy (Phase 3) studies to date are on wild type viruses.

Your quote is irrelevant to ADE, because the data showing that ADE isn't a factor has been acquired after that study. Do you not realize that we've accumulated tens of millions of person-years of safety data in the past few months? Perhaps you should pay attention to that rather than antivaxx falsehoods.

Rachel20 said:

In other words, long-term effects are unknown.

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Nonsense. The long-term effects of the vaccine(s) are known: they give immunity to infection with Covid19. That's the lesson you need to internalize.

Really, this "long-term effects" trope needs to be put to rest as just another antivaxx falsehood. The two mRNA vaccines have been in arms for over a year now, with the tens of thousands of Phase 3 participants starting in at 8 months, and tens of millions of person-years of real world safety data already in. That's enough that any long term effects not yet identified are going to be very rare indeed - or else so trivial that nobody bothers to report them.

Once final approval is given for the vaccines, it will be easier for employers to require COVID vaccinations
for their workers much as they can now require other vaccinations. This will be the case for health workers and other first responders. Schools have always required vaccinations.

States may ban employers from such actions; that is their choice. However, hundreds of colleges already have such requirements for fall. Many employers won't fire a refusing employee. However, he might have access to only part of the facilities. One law firm requires all non-vaxxers to work on one floor.

The military will likely give the order to vaccinate next month, after the final approvals. They cannot afford an outbreak on a sub or naval vessel that is at sea. Besides, we want our servicemen to have access to other countries and their cities.

In the end, the open question for the states to ponder is whether they will forbid companies from protecting their workers and customers. Some states will decide that the individual cannot be denied from anywhere even if he has no polio, measles, mumps, flu or other shots. Others will require vaccination of all first responders and school children. Others will be somewhere in between.