Discussion Spiritual Warfare

ARBITER01 · May 8, 2021

Sure,..

Mar 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and, By the prince of the devils casteth he out the devils.
Mar 3:23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
Mar 3:24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
Mar 3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.
Mar 3:26 And if Satan hath risen up against himself, and is divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
Mar 3:27 But no one can enter into the house of the strong man, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

This is the method that Jesus utilized in scripture. He never went after individual spirits, just the strongholds. Once they were called out The Holy Spirit removed them all.

Same thing in the case of the legion of unclean spirits. Together they are considered a stronghold and are to be identified as Legion and cast out the same way.

Maybe you have had some success doing it the way that you learned, but I'm only interested in doing it the way that Jesus did, not your way or anyone else's. His example is the only perfect example that I'm going to learn and follow.

Francis Drake · May 8, 2021

Carl Emerson said:
Interesting - in my ministry I address directly what I sense through discernment

Likewise, that's what post No 155 is about.

and never dialogue with lying demons.

It's a mistake to think demons always always lie. If they did, I suspect Jesus would have corrected this one.-
Lk8v30Jesus asked him, saying, “What is your name?”
And he said, “Legion,” because many demons had entered him. 31And they begged Him that He would not command them to go out into the abyss.
But having said that, I don't usually engage with demons either. However, there have been times when a demon has resisted, bringing up various justifications such as unrepented sin. When the person is challenged and confesses, that sin can be dealt with and the demon driven out.

The only exception is when I get a Rhema word regarding an entity, but even in this case my interaction only involves command and never dialogue. I don't expect that lying demons will reveal their true identity.

Discernment is crucial, but common sense and experience also applies.
ie. Mark9v17And one out of the crowd answered Him, “Teacher, I brought to You my son, having a mute spirit; 18and whenever it seizes him, it throws him down; and he foams and gnashes his teeth, and is withering away. And I spoke to Your disciples, that they might cast it out, and they had no power.”
The father knew it was a mute spirit not by spiritual discernment, but by the obvious fact that the boy was mute. And Jesus didn't challenge the father's diagnosis.-
Mk9v25And Jesus, having seen that a crowd was running together, rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to it, “Mute and deaf spirit, I command you, come out of him, and you may enter into him no more.”
Likewise many demons can be recognised by their characteristics.
Common sense, experience and discernment all work together.

Francis Drake · May 8, 2021

ARBITER01 said:
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Mar 3:27 But no one can enter into the house of the strong man, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

This is the method that Jesus utilized in scripture. He never went after individual spirits, just the strongholds. Once they were called out The Holy Spirit removed them all.

It's just not true that Jesus never went after individual spirits.
In all the other occasions apart from Legion, we find Jesus just dealing with what was presented to him, with no reference whatsoever that every last demon was removed.

Spiritual warfare in the NT follows the pattern of the bloody warfare of the OT. (Paul even refers to that with his thorn in the flesh)
When Israel entered the land, the Lord told them to take it little by little.
Ex23v29I will not drive them out from before you in one year, lest the land become desolate and the beasts of the field become too numerous for you. 30Little by little I will drive them out from before you, until you have increased, and you inherit the land.

If the Lord cast all the inhabitants of our land, (demons from our body) out in one go, Christians would never learn fight, and in most cases, the demons would be straight back the next week!

Same thing in the case of the legion of unclean spirits. Together they are considered a stronghold and are to be identified as Legion and cast out the same way.

Maybe you have had some success doing it the way that you learned, but I'm only interested in doing it the way that Jesus did, not your way or anyone else's. His example is the only perfect example that I'm going to learn and follow.

Except that isn't the way Jesus did it, and it's not the way he told the disciples to do it.

As you have said previously, you are in to bringing down regional strongholds

I'm not casting them out of people, I'm dealing with a territorial area and casting them down, I have to rely upon The Father and The Holy Spirit's leading and guidance, and I have 100% success rate by doing so.

I have been deeply involved in warfare against territorial strongholds at national and international level since 1984, so I fully understand what that entails. And obviously binding the strongman over a region can have catastrophic effect on the enemy's power.
But to claim that you've completely delivered every last demon from a person in one go is foolhardy, and in may decades of deliverance, I have never witnessed that happening.

I've met many who have claimed after one single deliverance, they are now utterly free of demons, but I know it's just inexperience talking.

Carl Emerson · May 8, 2021

Francis Drake said:
It's a mistake to think demons always always lie. If they did, I suspect Jesus would have corrected this one.-
Lk8v30Jesus asked him, saying, “What is your name?”
And he said, “Legion,” because many demons had entered him. 31And they begged Him that He would not command them to go out into the abyss.
But having said that, I don't usually engage with demons either. However, there have been times when a demon has resisted, bringing up various justifications such as unrepented sin. When the person is challenged and confesses, that sin can be dealt with and the demon driven out.

Yes all demons lie, but all demons don't always lie...

It comes down to being able to hear Him in each individual circumstance.

This would be the first consideration in regard to contemplating this ministry - being able to hear Him - and having the appropriate gifts.

ARBITER01 · May 8, 2021

Francis Drake said:
It's just not true that Jesus never went after individual spirits.
In all the other occasions apart from Legion, we find Jesus just dealing with what was presented to him, with no reference whatsoever that every last demon was removed.

Spiritual warfare in the NT follows the pattern of the bloody warfare of the OT. (Paul even refers to that with his thorn in the flesh)
When Israel entered the land, the Lord told them to take it little by little.
Ex23v29I will not drive them out from before you in one year, lest the land become desolate and the beasts of the field become too numerous for you. 30Little by little I will drive them out from before you, until you have increased, and you inherit the land.

If the Lord cast all the inhabitants of our land, (demons from our body) out in one go, Christians would never learn fight, and in most cases, the demons would be straight back the next week!

Except that isn't the way Jesus did it, and it's not the way he told the disciples to do it.

As you have said previously, you are in to bringing down regional strongholds

I have been deeply involved in warfare against territorial strongholds at national and international level since 1984, so I fully understand what that entails. And obviously binding the strongman over a region can have catastrophic effect on the enemy's power.
But to claim that you've completely delivered every last demon from a person in one go is foolhardy, and in may decades of deliverance, I have never witnessed that happening.

I've met many who have claimed after one single deliverance, they are now utterly free of demons, but I know it's just inexperience talking.

It's obvious that we are going to have differing opinions on this.

I'm not refusing to hear what you say and being rude, I'm just dogmatic about making sure I'm hearing The Holy Spirit and being taught by Him. When you speak something that is important to me He perks my ears up, but on this, I have to stick by what He has already revealed to me so far.

I chose that particular passage of scripture because it was specific to what The Holy Spirit was doing. The scribes accused Jesus of using evil to cast out evil, and in doing so blasphemed The Holy Spirit and His work. Jesus did not remove the evil spirits using a greater evil spirit, it was The Holy Spirit that removed them on His command. The method that Jesus depicts is going after the strong man/stronghold by command and then The Holy Spirit removes them all. He doesn't describe that for nothing.

Jesus did His works exclusively by the power of The Holy Spirit and the will of The Father. Even going to the cross was The Father's will. That example of obedience to the leading of The Holy Spirit and The Father's will has to be my example also, or the fruit of a ministry becomes questionable in many people's eyes.

I realize that this is a very important and somewhat rare ministry to have in the body of Christ nowadays, so I have to make sure I'm learning it correctly without adding my own ideas in the mix. If The Lord decides to use me more direct in the body of Christ, it has to be by His power, and for that to happen I have to rely on the leading of The Holy Spirit and His anointing upon me.

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sunlover1 · May 9, 2021

ARBITER01 said:
It's obvious that we are going to have differing opinions on this.

I'm not refusing to hear what you say and being rude, I'm just dogmatic about making sure I'm hearing The Holy Spirit and being taught by Him. When you speak something that is important to me He perks my ears up, but on this, I have to stick by what He has already revealed to me so far.

I chose that particular passage of scripture because it was specific to what The Holy Spirit was doing. The scribes accused Jesus of using evil to cast out evil, and in doing so blasphemed The Holy Spirit and His work. Jesus did not remove the evil spirits using a greater evil spirit, it was The Holy Spirit that removed them on His command. The method that Jesus depicts is going after the strong man/stronghold by command and then The Holy Spirit removes them all. He doesn't describe that for nothing.

Jesus did His works exclusively by the power of The Holy Spirit and the will of The Father. Even going to the cross was The Father's will. That example of obedience to the leading of The Holy Spirit and The Father's will has to be my example also, or the fruit of a ministry becomes questionable in many people's eyes.

I realize that this is a very important and somewhat rare ministry to have in the body of Christ nowadays, so I have to make sure I'm learning it correctly without adding my own ideas in the mix. If The Lord decides to use me more direct in the body of Christ, it has to be by His power, and for that to happen I have to rely on the leading of The Holy Spirit and His anointing upon me.

A more sure word of Prophecy:
“these signs “shall” follow “those who believe....”

sunlover1 · May 9, 2021

ARBITER01 said:
Sure,..

Mar 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and, By the prince of the devils casteth he out the devils.
Mar 3:23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
Mar 3:24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
Mar 3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.
Mar 3:26 And if Satan hath risen up against himself, and is divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
Mar 3:27 But no one can enter into the house of the strong man, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

This is the method that Jesus utilized in scripture. He never went after individual spirits, just the strongholds. Once they were called out The Holy Spirit removed them all.

Same thing in the case of the legion of unclean spirits. Together they are considered a stronghold and are to be identified as Legion and cast out the same way.

Maybe you have had some success doing it the way that you learned, but I'm only interested in doing it the way that Jesus did, not your way or anyone else's. His example is the only perfect example that I'm going to learn and follow.

A good berean!
Also:
John 21:25

ARBITER01 · May 9, 2021

Spiritual gifts involved in deliverance:

Deliverance is a product of the gifts of healings. When a person is delivered from spiritual oppression, or in the case of unbelievers, spiritual possession, that is a spiritual healing that happens. Your spirit is being set free from an enemy.

Another gift involved in deliverance is the gift of discerning of spirits. The Holy Spirit uses this gift to open up the spiritual realm around us to any demonic activity. He can also use this gift to identify angels and their activates around us also.

These two gifts tend to be operated in tandem by The Holy Spirit for deliverance.

lismore · May 9, 2021

In my experience demonized people have superhuman strength and supernatural knowledge. God Bless

ARBITER01 · May 9, 2021

lismore said:
In my experience demonized people have superhuman strength and supernatural knowledge. God Bless

This is very true.

The demoniac had supernatural strength to break chains and was only subdued by the power of The Holy Spirit resting upon Jesus.

Nowadays people are so filled with demons they love a debate with a Christian. They will quote all sorts of scripture against you, wrongfully I might add, but battle you nonetheless.

If we are not walking in The Holy Spirit's strength, then we are trying to do things in our own strength.

lismore · May 12, 2021

I heard a speaker talk about the danger of when a pregnant lady goes to visit a spiritist medium, danger for the unborn and anecdotal evidence of the effects as they grow into an adult. God Bless

ARBITER01 · May 16, 2021

I have looked at some of the teachings on fasting. From what I can tell, people have some odd ideas on what is really a simple exercise with GOD.

Fasting is very useful in keeping spiritually clean and removing distractions and evil out of your life. You should be doing this at least once a week. It is obviously used with prayer at times.

Fasting is the denial of solid foods for at least a 24 hour period of time. A "day" of fasting unto The Lord is just that, a 24 hour period of fasting from any solid foods. Juices, teas, protein type shakes are ok, just so nothing is in them that might make you hungry.

I begin a fast at 12:30am Sunday. Sunday is the first day of the week, and from my experience, I seem to have a greater success at keeping the fast going by starting that day and time.

To begin a fast, you dedicate yourself to The Father by anointing your forehead with oil in the name of Jesus, then you wash you face. You should ask The Father to help you suppress hunger and keep you dedicated on finishing the fast for how many days you have chosen. If you have done things correctly, you should not be hungry at all till after you finish that last day. Start out easy, just one day, and build up over time. Trying to pull off 40 days right from the start can end you up in the hospital, or worse, in the morgue.

This is the oil that I use...

About the Holy Anointing Oil, Exodus 30 Holy Oil

Don't pay attention to the people teaching about Daniel fasts and such. A fast is not a diet, it's a fast.

If you have done things correctly, there is a spiritual blessing from GOD afterwards.

hislegacy · May 18, 2021

ARBITER01 said:
This is the method that Jesus utilized in scripture. He never went after individual spirits, just the strongholds. Once they were called out The Holy Spirit removed them all.

Show one scripture that says Jesus bound a demon.

ARBITER01 · May 18, 2021

hislegacy said:
Show one scripture that says Jesus bound a demon.

Already posted about this.

We don't just cast these things out so they can come back and infect someone again, we bind them and cast them down where they belong.

hislegacy · May 18, 2021

ARBITER01 said:
Already posted about this.

We don't just cast these things out so they can come back and infect someone again, we bind them and cast them down where they belong.

Where is the scriptural example of Jesus or one of the disciples demonstrating it, or doing it. I submit it is found nowhere in scripture.

ARBITER01 · May 18, 2021

hislegacy said:
Where is the scriptural example of Jesus or one of the disciples demonstrating it, or doing it. I submit it is found nowhere in scripture.

Questions for you,...Why did the Legion in the demoniac fight Jesus about coming out? Why did they want to be cast into the swine instead?

I gotta go to work, I work second shift so I'll continue our discussion later on tonight.

hislegacy · May 18, 2021

Matt 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’

Matt 8:16 When evening had come, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed. And He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were sick,

Matt 8:31 So the demons begged Him, saying, “If You cast us out, permit us to go away into the herd of swine.”

Matt 9:33 And when the demon was cast out, the mute spoke. And the multitudes marveled, saying, “It was never seen like this in Israel!”

Matt 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.

Not one time binding is being mentioned.

hislegacy · May 18, 2021

ARBITER01 said:
Questions for you,...Why did the Legion in the demoniac fight Jesus about coming out? Why did they want to be cast into the swine instead?

I gotta go to work, I work second shift so I'll continue our discussion later on tonight.

Why didn't Jesus bind them and cast them down?

spiritfilledjm · May 18, 2021

ARBITER01 said:
Already posted about this.

We don't just cast these things out so they can come back and infect someone again, we bind them and cast them down where they belong.

Matthew and Luke both address this in Matthew 12:43-45 and Luke 11:24-26. "Binding and Loosing" is not meant for this context of usage. It is the responsibility of the one who is delivered to fill the figurative spaces in their hearts that the demons left empty with the Holy Spirit or else they could find themselves falling into a worse trap of the enemy that would result in them being in a worse condition than before.

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