"Same Sex Bathrooms": A legal crisis

Sabertooth · May 8, 2021

jgarden said:
Once that stall door is closed and locked, does one need to be preoccupied as to the gender and sexual orientation of those who occupy the adjacent stalls?

That rationale (regarding penes vs. vulvae) doesn't hold up when expanded out to include locker rooms, you know.

Chris35 · May 8, 2021

I can see where your all coming from, but at the same time we have this verse.

1I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3This is good, and pleases God our Savior

Now im not exactly sure where the problem is coming from. We can see Gods authority and power to change in the book of ester where the law that was made against israel, eneded up coming back on the person who made it.

The question is i would say, is that have the majority of Christians in general stopped praying to God about those who are in authority.

Judging from the Christians that i have talked to, alot barely pray to God let alone about those in authority.

kiwimac · Sep 30, 2022

SugarCookies said:
This may not be formed very well but I hope that whoever reads this can see that this is not an attack on homosexuality or the transgender individuals but it a strong concern that the movements that are taking place are corrupting our human nature.

We are living in a time where things are changing. Political correctness is more important than love. A majority of the world has become cold and clinical like a barking dog on a chain. The LGBT movement is advertised as 'Love, Peace and Acceptance' with bright colours and cotton candy, the allurement of glitter and freedom so that when the time comes for their agenda to play out we are unaware of it happening slowly lulled into a false sense of safety for our future generations. You may think I'm being overly dramatic or poetic but the truth is this is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord.

Same sex toilets for children and adults.
Teaching Gay Sex to children as young as 5 in Schools as part of cirriculum.
Removal of 'Male' and 'Female' (Literally, there is a bill that has been made by the transgender movement to remove these words from the dictionary and change their meaning)
Pronouns made mandatory (Google pronouns Jordan Peterson, however you view the man he had some things to say about the topic)

Gender-Neutral Bathrooms: Pointless, Wasteful, and Sexist | National Review

This is from a post about a recent protest in Arizona "Senate Bill 1456 would require parents to opt their child into sex education classes, rather than the long-standing practice of having them opt out. It also would forbid any form of sex education before fifth grade."

Parents, LQBTQ supporters push Gov. Ducey to veto 'extreme' sex-ed bill

Anti-transgender bills are latest version of conservatives' longtime strategy to rally their base

Our biological makeup was designed to reproduce fruitful offspring. That's it, that is the main purpose of our existence. If 30-40% of the population start to become homosexual or bisexual or whatever name you want to put on it then the enemy knows this and his number one way to ensure that we don't re-produce is to corrupt the very nature of what our bodies were intended for. When you look at it from a spiritual perspective you see there is a much deeper thing going on.

If I seem angry in this post it's because I am. Right now there are legal battles all over the world taking place over new legislation against the transgender movement that is brainwashing our nations. Call me homophobic, call me trans-phobic but this is not a personal attack on the humanity of those people; it's the fact that it is removing our natural human rights and dehumanising our genders. It's just the beginning.

Those on the extreme left wing will see this post as hateful, conservative and cruel but the truth is the media and the government are nothing but wolves in sheeps clothing.

Gender neutral toilets now an option for new schools

Friends and relatives outside in all weathers in protests, public activism and groups coming together to stop the recruitment of children into the LGBT community. They are saying that we should have a choice in what happens to our children, to protect women's rights, protect men's rights and to stop the dehumanisation of our human rights. I feel strongly that we are slowly allowing this transition to happen while undermining the ability this movement has to harm our future generations. There are plans to have same gender sex taught in schools to children as young as age 5. The plans for same sex bathrooms are already being leaked out to the public and presented to see how we will react.

Most people who read this and have transgender relatives or even children will think I am insensitive but the fact is that this is not right.

I cannot accept the thought that my offspring will be soaking up this information like a sponge and I will sit there and do nothing about it? No. I will fight for my rights. I will fight to keep the bathrooms private. I am not an advocate of protesting against the government unless necessary but I will join the protest and I will support the cause if I have to.

We need to stand in the gap and we need to ask the Lord to help us. Things are going to get crazy real soon...

We have same-sex bathrooms here in NZ and no higher level of offending than there was when they were single-sex. People go to the loo to rid themselves of their various waste-products not to ogle others.

rjs330 · Oct 11, 2022

public hermit said:
That's on you. Naked women are everywhere, all the time, right at your fingertips. If it makes that much of a difference seeing one in the flesh, then look I guess. The naked human body is not taboo, unless you think it is. I think, as Christians, we should celebrate and recognize the beauty of God's creation. Now, if lust and inordinate desire are an issue, perhaps looking is not a good idea. But that can be determined just by the things we look at when no one is around. A naked person in the flesh is not the problem.

The fact that naked women are at your fingertips is somehow related to naked women in the men's locker room? Or perhaps the boys lockerroom in school?

rjs330 · Oct 11, 2022

jgarden said:
When one goes camping, the "spartan" washroom facilities are often undesignated adjoining stalls available to both males and females, who are apparently oblivious to the fact that they are participants in a hot-bed of perversion!

Once that stall door is closed and locked, does one need to be preoccupied as to the gender and sexual orientation of those who occupy the adjacent stalls?

I don't know where you camp but I have spent many many hours and days camping. I have never seen a camping outhouse or restroom with man and women adjoining stalls where you share the same room.

Ceallaigh · Oct 11, 2022

kiwimac said:
We have same-sex bathrooms here in NZ and no higher level of offending than there was when they were single-sex. People go to the loo to rid themselves of their various waste-products not to ogle others.

Do they do so in a fully open room with no stalls or particians? I mean if no one is there to ogle others, why have any kind of privacy barriers at all?

The problem is very many sexual assaults have occurred via men hiding out in womens restrooms. My sister was almost attacked that way. Therefore, among other reasons, women feel uncomfortable with men in a restroom with them. It's a deeply ingrained instinct, that can't just be magically waved away because wokeism says should.

And the long run goal in wokeism is to eliminate gender altogether. No men, no women, just genderless people. That also includes the elimination of using such designations such as father, mother, brother, sister, nephew, niece etc.

Ceallaigh · Oct 11, 2022

public hermit said:
That's on you. Naked women are everywhere, all the time, right at your fingertips.

Most guys look at pictures of naked women out of lust.

Ceallaigh · Oct 11, 2022

The deception Satan has created through secularism and wokeism, is to twist what's always been regarded as immoral and indecent, as that view being immoral and indecent itself.

What was good is now evil, what was evil is now good. And many Christians nowadays happily go along with this deception hook, line and sinker.

rturner76 · Oct 11, 2022

It's not an issue if you build stalls from floor to ceiling. Privacy for everybody.

John Owen · Oct 11, 2022

SugarCookies said:
This may not be formed very well but I hope that whoever reads this can see that this is not an attack on homosexuality or the transgender individuals but it a strong concern that the movements that are taking place are corrupting our human nature.

We are living in a time where things are changing. Political correctness is more important than love. A majority of the world has become cold and clinical like a barking dog on a chain. The LGBT movement is advertised as 'Love, Peace and Acceptance' with bright colours and cotton candy, the allurement of glitter and freedom so that when the time comes for their agenda to play out we are unaware of it happening slowly lulled into a false sense of safety for our future generations. You may think I'm being overly dramatic or poetic but the truth is this is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord.

Same sex toilets for children and adults.
Teaching Gay Sex to children as young as 5 in Schools as part of cirriculum.
Removal of 'Male' and 'Female' (Literally, there is a bill that has been made by the transgender movement to remove these words from the dictionary and change their meaning)
Pronouns made mandatory (Google pronouns Jordan Peterson, however you view the man he had some things to say about the topic)

Gender-Neutral Bathrooms: Pointless, Wasteful, and Sexist | National Review

This is from a post about a recent protest in Arizona "Senate Bill 1456 would require parents to opt their child into sex education classes, rather than the long-standing practice of having them opt out. It also would forbid any form of sex education before fifth grade."

Parents, LQBTQ supporters push Gov. Ducey to veto 'extreme' sex-ed bill

Anti-transgender bills are latest version of conservatives' longtime strategy to rally their base

Our biological makeup was designed to reproduce fruitful offspring. That's it, that is the main purpose of our existence. If 30-40% of the population start to become homosexual or bisexual or whatever name you want to put on it then the enemy knows this and his number one way to ensure that we don't re-produce is to corrupt the very nature of what our bodies were intended for. When you look at it from a spiritual perspective you see there is a much deeper thing going on.

If I seem angry in this post it's because I am. Right now there are legal battles all over the world taking place over new legislation against the transgender movement that is brainwashing our nations. Call me homophobic, call me trans-phobic but this is not a personal attack on the humanity of those people; it's the fact that it is removing our natural human rights and dehumanising our genders. It's just the beginning.

Those on the extreme left wing will see this post as hateful, conservative and cruel but the truth is the media and the government are nothing but wolves in sheeps clothing.

Gender neutral toilets now an option for new schools

Friends and relatives outside in all weathers in protests, public activism and groups coming together to stop the recruitment of children into the LGBT community. They are saying that we should have a choice in what happens to our children, to protect women's rights, protect men's rights and to stop the dehumanisation of our human rights. I feel strongly that we are slowly allowing this transition to happen while undermining the ability this movement has to harm our future generations. There are plans to have same gender sex taught in schools to children as young as age 5. The plans for same sex bathrooms are already being leaked out to the public and presented to see how we will react.

Most people who read this and have transgender relatives or even children will think I am insensitive but the fact is that this is not right.

I cannot accept the thought that my offspring will be soaking up this information like a sponge and I will sit there and do nothing about it? No. I will fight for my rights. I will fight to keep the bathrooms private. I am not an advocate of protesting against the government unless necessary but I will join the protest and I will support the cause if I have to.

We need to stand in the gap and we need to ask the Lord to help us. Things are going to get crazy real soon...

My friend puled her daughter out of public schools when they announced that anyone could use any bathroom. Guys immediately started walking into the girls bathrooms.

rjs330 · Oct 11, 2022

rturner76 said:
It's not an issue if you build stalls from floor to ceiling. Privacy for everybody.

That's true. But no one does this. Well no one that I know of does this. Maybe all new buildings will have such things. But there is no reason to start retrofitting everything now just so a tiny minority if people can feel good about it.

JimR-OCDS · Oct 11, 2022

When I was in France, the restrooms were gender neutral.

However, they are vastly different than what we have here in the
States.

In France, the stalls are actually "water closets," with floor to ceiling walls and doors.
There is a restroom attendant sitting outside in the lobby area, and the attendant
checks the restroom after each person uses it. Some, have sinks and mirrors in them,
while other's have a communal area to wash hands and comb hair.

Here in the states, we have stalls, with walls and doors that are off the floor and about 7ft tall. Some are just painted plywood. There is a number of sinks and mirrors, according to the place where the restroom is built.

Locker rooms, men and women shower in the open and dress in front of their lockers,
naked. Letting genders cross into each other's Lockeroom is insanity.

BNR32FAN · Oct 11, 2022

Hanging by a Thread said:
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Sex, politics and religion seem to have been tossed into a blender these days (as I'm seeing a sexually provacotive advertisement on this religious site). We'll have to see what kind of concoction results. Whether it's good or bad, it still has to be considered society advancing. Sure seems like a lot of change compared to say 50-60 years ago. Surely this kind of scenario has played out at some point in the world's lengthy history. Or is this a result of the vast amount of info/opinions made available through the internet?

Yeah I reported two of those ads to support. Haven’t seen them since but I was shocked to see them on a Christian website of all places.

rjs330 · Oct 11, 2022

JimR-OCDS said:
When I was in France, the restrooms were gender neutral.

However, they are vastly different than what we have here in the
States.

In France, the stalls are actually "water closets," with floor to ceiling walls and doors.
There is a restroom attendant sitting outside in the lobby area, and the attendant
checks the restroom after each person uses it. Some, have sinks and mirrors in them,
while other's have a communal area to wash hands and comb hair.

Here in the states, we have stalls, with walls and doors that are off the floor and about 7ft tall. Some are just painted plywood. There is a number of sinks and mirrors, according to the place where the restroom is built.

Locker rooms, men and women shower in the open and dress in front of their lockers,
naked. Letting genders cross into each other's Lockeroom is insanity.

I was just in France. Their bathrooms are not all gender neutral. In fact every single bathroom I went into was male or female.

So I don't know where you were with all those gender neutral bathrooms where men and women just walked in the same room. Everyone place I was including Paris all had men's and women's rooms. There were gender neutral bathrooms like we have here in the states. A separate bathroom with an exit door and its own toilet and sink.

Ceallaigh · Oct 11, 2022

rjs330 said:
I don't know where you camp but I have spent many many hours and days camping. I have never seen a camping outhouse or restroom with man and women adjoining stalls where you share the same room.

It's a long running ridiculous false equivalency to compare a single occupant outhouse or restroom, to a multiple occupancy restroom or locker room.

Ceallaigh · Oct 12, 2022

John Owen said:
My friend puled her daughter out of public schools when they announced that anyone could use any bathroom. Guys immediately started walking into the girls bathrooms.

Of course they did. Boys are having a field day with this.

rturner76 · Oct 12, 2022

rjs330 said:
Cost. How much would it cost to do that? Any idea?

I think the cost would be worth it. Many of the restaurants and bars I go to have done it. You wouldn't have to redo the plumbing which is the largest expense of a restroom remodel. Throw up some sheetrock and put in a new door.......done. Then everyone's happy and private. They've been doing it like that in Europe for decades.

Is it something about punishing those who are different or somehow making their lives more difficult? All things being equal I prefer the floor to ceiling walls for more privacy regardless of which sex (gender) is using it.

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The Barbarian · Oct 12, 2022

Albion said:
mythical "White Supremacists,"

You think the violence in Portland last year was "mythical?"

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump’s acting homeland security chief on Wednesday acknowledged that white supremacist extremists played a role in this year’s urban violence in the United States, a revision of the administration’s public descriptions of the political motivations of violent protesters.

In what was billed as a “2020 State of the Homeland” speech, acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf initially attributed violence in Portland, Oregon in particular to “violent opportunists” and went on to describe how protesters had attacked federal officers with sledge-hammers, pipes, fireworks, homemade bombs and other weapons.

Wolf also attributed violence to both “white supremacist extremists” and “anarchist extremists,” mentioning white supremacists first, in a speech livestreamed on the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) website.
A Trump security chief acknowledges role of white supremacist extremists in U.S. urban violence

WASHINGTON — Attorney General Merrick Garland told Congress on Wednesday that violence incited by white supremacists poses “the most dangerous threat to our democracy.” That assertion reflects near-universal consensus among national security experts, including those who worked for the Trump administration.

Garland’s warning came during a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing on the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol, which was conducted by supporters of then-President Donald Trump and incited by white supremacist groups like the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys. Five people died as a result of the attack.
White supremacy is top security threat, Garland says

The Barbarian · Oct 12, 2022

rturner76 said:
I think the cost would be worth it. Many of the restaurants and bars I go to have done it. You wouldn't have to redo the plumbing which is the largest expense of a restroom remodel. Throw up some sheetrock and put in a new door.......done. Then everyone's happy and private. They've been doing it like that in Europe for decades.

Is it something about punishing those who are different or somehow making their lives more difficult? All things being equal I prefer the floor to ceiling walls for more privacy regardless of which sex (gender) is using it.

You make a lot of sense here.

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