A continuous sequence of ‘Sevens’ until Christ

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Speaking of number 1 then, and assuming the stoning of Stephen ended the last of a large repeating cycle involving 490 years, in what way did the stoning of Stephen lead to the national deliverance of Israel at the time?

I think the ending of the 70th week was Cornelius more so than Stephen; but to your question about deliverance. The extraordinary deliverances of Israel on Sabbath and Jubilees throughout Old Testament history were pictures of a greater deliverance to come. They pictured world-wide redemption: Set free from the Dominion of Satan! Set free from the harm of evil spirits! Set free from the power of sin! Set free from the penalty of sin!

Redemption was preached to the heirs of the covenant from Pentecost onward, then to the Samaritan’s, then to the Gentiles - to all who believed. This is what Jubilee was all about.
 
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A problem with what you are saying is that the Old Covenant was a complete system. So, if we choose to follow the 7-year ‘weeks’ into our present day we must, by the same logic, also be keeping the 7-day Sabbaths. The feasts too. This is the kind of thinking that has spoiled the modern Adventist and Messianic movements.

Your postponement of the New Covenant shocks me to be quite honest with you.
In this Church age, we are not required to keep the Moed's, the 'feasts'. We do keep the seventh day for rest and worship. That day isn't fixed to any timetable.

The New Covenant; it is obvious to any thinking person, that the provisions of the NC, as described in Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8, are not yet operational. It is prophesied to be made when all the faithful people of God, are gathered into all of the holy Land. As Ezekiel 38:8b and 12 describe.
Ezekiel 34:25 I shall make a Covenant with My people, for their peace and prosperity.....

What about a little honesty from some others here?
 
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In this Church age, we are not required to keep the Moed's, the 'feasts'. We do keep the seventh day for rest and worship. That day isn't fixed to any timetable.

The New Covenant; it is obvious to any thinking person, that the provisions of the NC, as described in Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8, are not yet operational. It is prophesied to be made when all the faithful people of God, are gathered into all of the holy Land. As Ezekiel 38:8b and 12 describe.

What about a little honesty from some others here?
keras, you are underestimating the fact that the Jews are looking for someone else to be their messiah instead of Jesus. The 70wks are not determined on the church, yes? The prince who shall come is not going to be supporting the church.

The covenant to be confirmed for 7 years is not the New Covenant as CG and others on his side are claiming. It is the Mt. Sinai covenant, which the law of Moses is to be read to the gathering of the people at the time of the year when the feast of tabernacles takes place - on a cycle of 7 years. A requirement spoke by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-3.

Read Nehemiah 8, that whole chapter is about that, doing that very reading of the law of Moses to the Jews coming out of the Babylonian captivity.
 
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keras, you are underestimating the fact that the Jews are looking for someone else to be their messiah instead of Jesus. The 70wks are not determined on the church, yes? The prince who shall come is not going to be supporting the church.
What you consistently do, is ignore the many prophesies which tell of the virtual demise of the House of Judah. Romans 9:27 plainly says that only a remnant will survive.
So whatever the Jews are looking for, [most couldn't care less about a Messiah] only those who are Christians now will survive the forthcoming Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. Isaiah 6:11-13, Isaiah 29:1-4

The 'prince' to come; Daniel 9:27, will be the leader of the One World Govt and he makes a 7 year peace treaty with many of the Christian people.
This will be their mistake, as we see in Isaiah 28:14-15 and in Daniel 11:32....many will violate the Covenant..... This refers to the New Covenant between the Lord and His people, for their peace and prosperity. Ezekiel 34:25-31
Read Nehemiah 8, that whole chapter is about that, doing that very reading of the law of Moses to the Jews coming out of the Babylonian captivity.
Yes, something similar may well happen, as we Christians gather into all of the holy Land. When Ezekiel 39:21-29 takes place.
 
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Continuing from …

1. Daniel's count of ‘weeks’ did not stand alone; they were one and the same as the sabbatical cycles instituted by Moses.

A common refrain is that Sabbath and Jubilee years were hardly ever kept. The text used is Jeremiah’s 70 years. (2 Chronicles 36:21) However, by the end of Jeremiah’s ministry 122 Sabbath years and 17 Jubilees had passed. Some of them were observed; some were not. We don’t know which ones had been kept, just that 70 had not.

So, does the Bible mention any that had been kept? Actually, yes. There are a few direct cases and there are other clues throughout the Bible, but they tend to go unnoticed. I found this subject one of the most interesting studies I’ve ever done and I’ll share what I’ve got.

Hang on a bit … will be back.
 
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It doesn’t matter that only a few Sabbath years are explicitly stated as such. There are clues that let us know, the main one being Deuteronomy 31:10-12.
“At the end of every seven years, at the set time in the year of release, at the Feast of Booths, when all Israel comes to appear before the Lord your God at the place that he will choose, you shall read this law before all Israel in their hearing. Assemble the people, men, women, and little ones, and the sojourner within your towns, that they may hear and learn to fear the Lord.”

So, when all Israel is gathered together, it’s a 90% chance that it’s a Sabbath year. If it’s late summer (Tishri to be specific) it’s a 95% chance. If the law is being read publicly, it’s a 99% chance. If a whole lot of slaves are being released, what more can we say? It is a Sabbath year!

Here’s another good clue.
“And it shall be a statute to you forever that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall afflict yourselves (fast) and shall do no work, either the native or the stranger who sojourns among you. For on this day shall atonement be made for you to cleanse you. You shall be clean before the Lord from all your sins. It is a Sabbath of solemn rest to you, and you shall afflict yourselves (fast); it is a statute forever.” (Leviticus 16:29-31)

So, when all Israel is gathered together in the month of Tishri and the tenth day arrived, they all fasted from food. It was the day of Atonement and was also called the ‘day of fasting.’ Keep an eye out for this one because it locates the pre-captivity Sabbath timeline.

And here’s a more obvious clue.
“For six years you shall sow your field, and for six years you shall prune your vineyard and gather in its fruits, but in the seventh year there shall be a Sabbath of solemn rest for the land, a Sabbath to the Lord. You shall not sow your field or prune your vineyard.” (Leviticus 25:3-4)

Also, if the land rested for more than one year it signified a back-to-back Sabbath/Jubilee. Yes, there are events that fit. I’ll get back to examples and dates after we have had time to share thoughts.

Your turn.
 
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“At the end of every seven years, at the set time in the year of release, at the Feast of Booths, when all Israel comes to appear before the Lord your God at the place that he will choose, you shall read this law before all Israel in their hearing. Assemble the people, men, women, and little ones, and the sojourner within your towns, that they may hear and learn to fear the Lord.”

In Nehemiah Chapter 8, the people coming out of the Babylonian captivity, gathered together in Jerusalem, listened to Ezra a priest(the leader of the priests v4) in V8 read the book of the law of God - obeying exactly what Moses required of all future generations of the leaders of Israel on a 7 year cycle, at the time of the feast of tabernacles (booths). Nehemiah was a leader and Ezra was a priest.

Why can't you see that the beginning of the 70th week determined upon Daniel's people and Jerusalem that the 70th week begins (in the near future) when the prince who shall come, will be perceived by the Jews as the messiah, and that the person will oversee the reading of the law either himself or the false prophet in his presence, from the temple mount in Jerusalem?
 
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Thanks Doug. Nehemiah 8 is a good example of a Sabbath year. It can be dated to 444 BC. But if we count 69 weeks from there we arrive at 40 AD. That’s ten years after the Cross. So, Daniel’s 70 weeks must begin earlier than that example.
 
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So, when all Israel is gathered together, it’s a 90% chance that it’s a Sabbath year. If it’s late summer (Tishri to be specific) it’s a 95% chance. If the law is being read publicly, it’s a 99% chance. If a whole lot of slaves are being released, what more can we say? It is a Sabbath year!
There are quite a few timelines out there that don’t agree with each other. I like the fact that you use the Sabbath indicators to help confirm that we have the correct dates.

Someone could take the Sabbath indicators, note each time an indicator is seen in the Bible, and then give a probability of it occurring in a Sabbath year regardless of any date. I’m sure such a list would be subject to debate but do you know if anyone has created a list of all possible Sabbath years?
 
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There are quite a few timelines out there that don’t agree with each other. I like the fact that you use the Sabbath indicators to help confirm that we have the correct dates.
I sincerely believe that the much overlooked Sabbath years will be used to reduce the glut of wrong Bible timelines. From that I pray that there will be a straightening of false end-time theories.
 
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Thanks Doug. Nehemiah 8 is a good example of a Sabbath year. It can be dated to 444 BC. But if we count 69 weeks from there we arrive at 40 AD. That’s ten years after the Cross. So, Daniel’s 70 weeks must begin earlier than that example.
CG, consider that also because they were in Babylonian captivity the every 7 years cycle observance was interrupted - with shall I say a gap. And Nehemiah's and Ezra's action were to get them back on the 7 year cycle.

Projecting forward to our time, in theory, where would the 7 year cycle year fall in say between now and 2037?
 
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The 'prince' to come; Daniel 9:27, will be the leader of the One World Govt and he makes a 7 year peace treaty with many of the Christian people.
This will be their mistake, as we see in Isaiah 28:14-15 and in Daniel 11:32....many will violate the Covenant..... This refers to the New Covenant between the Lord and His people, for their peace and prosperity. Ezekiel 34:25-31
But what happened in Nehemiah's day is that the 7 year cycle observance had been interrupted because of the Babylonian captivity. And Nehemiah and Ezra took steps to restart the cycle again in Nehemiah 8.

It was not a peace treaty. The 7 year 70wk will be a repeat in similarity, once the Muslim obstacle is removed.

Where the peace treaty idea comes from is Daniel 8, that the little horn will destroy many by peace. And 1Thessalonians5, the world saying peace and safety when suddenly caught off guard by the Day of the Lord beginning, I know that you know all those things. I am just saying ti for other posters.

The Jews are not yet "Christian people" for the majority, and what Ezekiel 39:21-29 indicates that the house of Israel does not become believers in Jesus until sometime after Gog/Magog. Gog/Magog takes place upon the Jews who have come out of the nations back to the land of Israel. Not guys like me and you.

The 70wks are upon Daniel's people and Jerusalem, not upon body of Christ.
 
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Also, if the land rested for more than one year it signified a back-to-back Sabbath/Jubilee. Yes, there are events that fit. I’ll get back to examples and dates after we have had time to share thoughts.

Your turn.
I searched for a Shemitah (Shmitah) timeline using various search engines and word phrasing but got nothing concerning pre-captivity other than the instructional passages.

When I search the Old Testament for key words such as “read”, “atonement”, and “fasting” I don’t come up with very many passages that might be Sabbatical years.

For example the word “read” occurs 42 times in the KJV, I see 4 possible Sabbath years based on this word. 1> Joshua 8:34-35, 2> 2 Kings 23:2 and 2 Chronicles 34:30, 3> Nehemiah 8:18, and 4> Jeremiah 36:10

Other occurrences of the word “read” are Esther 6:1 read before the king only, Jeremiah 51:61 read to Babylon, and Daniel 5:17 Daniel reads the writing in plaister of the wall to the king.



So I’m ready to examine the other examples you have of Sabbath years.
 
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OK, let’s now look at the second point on the opening post.

2. The Sabbath years were not ‘lost’ as supposed, and can be accurately dated for the full length of the Old Covenant.
Yes, the full length from Moses to Jesus. Douggg identified the Nehemiah ch.8 Sabbath year and historians reliably date it to 444 BC because it was Artaxerxes 20th year. (Nisan in ch. 2; Tishri in ch. 8) Nehemiah was made governor of Judea until he was recalled in Artaxerxes 32nd year, but he travelled back for another Sabbath reading as mentioned in chapter 13:1.

“On that day the Book of Moses was read aloud in the hearing of the people and there it was found written …etc”

That particular Sabbath would have been either 430 or 423 BC probably the latter. If we keep adding sevens we pick up Sabbaths through the books of Maccabees and Josephus. These are accepted as reliable and form the basis of the Shemitah.

A problem people run into is when they project the ‘sevens’ back the other way. A lot of chronologists say the sequence was disturbed during the Babylonian captivity era and claim its all guesswork beyond then. I disagree. I find a continuous chain of ‘sevens’ even though the captivity period could not be observed.

Also the wilderness wandering 'sevens' could not be observed, but they were there alright!

Will get back.
 
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Also the wilderness wandering 'sevens' could not be observed, but they were there alright!
CG, the requirement by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 to have the law read to the assembly of the people from the place of God's choosing at the time of the feast of booths - was right before the children of Israel were to cross over the Jordan into the promised land. In v2, Moses said he would not be going with them. So, the requirement of the 7 years cycle was not while they were in the 40 years.

Moses made the requirement for future generations of Israel.
 
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So, the requirement of the 7 years cycle was not while they were in the 40 years.

Sure, they had no fields to fallow while wandering around in the wilderness, and every day they were gathered. But the calendar was already ticking from day one. A sequence of 'sevens' can be seen that flows through the 40-year period directly into the sevens that commenced after they entered the promised land.
 
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I searched for a Shemitah (Shmitah) timeline using various search engines and word phrasing but got nothing concerning pre-captivity other than the instructional passages.

When I search the Old Testament for key words such as “read”, “atonement”, and “fasting” I don’t come up with very many passages that might be Sabbatical years.

For example the word “read” occurs 42 times in the KJV, I see 4 possible Sabbath years based on this word. 1> Joshua 8:34-35, 2> 2 Kings 23:2 and 2 Chronicles 34:30, 3> Nehemiah 8:18, and 4> Jeremiah 36:10

Other occurrences of the word “read” are Esther 6:1 read before the king only, Jeremiah 51:61 read to Babylon, and Daniel 5:17 Daniel reads the writing in plaister of the wall to the king.

So I’m ready to examine the other examples you have of Sabbath years.
Let’s begin with your Jeremiah reading. It is a key reference to the pre-captivity timeline.
Now it came to pass in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah, king of Judah, that this word came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying: “Take a scroll of a book and write on it all the words that I have spoken to you against Israel, against Judah, and against all the nations, from the day I spoke to you, from the days of Josiah even to this day. It may be that the house of Judah will hear all the adversities which I purpose to bring upon them, that everyone may turn from his evil way, that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin.”

Then Jeremiah called Baruch the son of Neriah; and Baruch wrote on a scroll of a book, at the instruction of Jeremiah, all the words of the Lord which He had spoken to him. And Jeremiah commanded Baruch, saying … read the words of the Lord, in the hearing of the people in the Lord’s house on the day of fasting. And you shall also read them in the hearing of all Judah who come from their cities. (Jeremiah 36:1-6)

It is solid chronological information when an event is nailed to the reign of a king. The text starts, “in the fourth year of Jehoiakim” which is 605 BC. Now, that year appears on our chart of continuous Sabbaths. Count ‘sevens’ forwards from there, count them backwards; they are all in lockstep.

Also, it was “the day of fasting” – not *a* day as some translations have it, but *the* day of fasting. So, Jeremiah’s scribe read the word of the Lord on the 10th of Tishri, 605 BC, in the hearing of all Judah, just as required on Sabbath years.

I cannot stress enough the importance of this Sabbath indicator! This because some respected Bible chronologists have said the Babylonian captivity period knocked the sequence of ‘sevens’ off their previous track. Not so!
 
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I cannot stress enough the importance of this Sabbath indicator! This because some respected Bible chronologists have said the Babylonian captivity period knocked the sequence of ‘sevens’ off their previous track. Not so!
I completely agree, it just doesn’t make any sense that God would decide to change his Sabbath year or Jubilee. So when you show the 490 year cycles and the pre-captivity lining up with the post-captivity, it’s hard to argue against this.

On page 21 you have a chart that shows an “astronomic date”. I searched the internet and couldn’t find any site that used this number. I know it’s not important to the study of the Sabbath years, but can you give an explanation of the astronomic date?
 
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I cannot stress enough the importance of this Sabbath indicator! This because some respected Bible chronologists have said the Babylonian captivity period knocked the sequence of ‘sevens’ off their previous track. Not so!
Here we are in 2021. When is the next Sabbtical year? And when is the next Jubilee year?
 
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On page 21 you have a chart that shows an “astronomic date”. I searched the internet and couldn’t find any site that used this number. I know it’s not important to the study of the Sabbath years, but can you give an explanation of the astronomic date?

The full name to google is “astronomical Julian date” and, more related to our study, there is appendix #4 in the back of the book.

Incidentally, I’ve just had another look at chapter 3 where you are reading and noticed a spelling mistake. Oops.

Hey GB, thanks for your interest in all of this. It’s not an easy subject.
 
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