Sixth grader shoots three people at her school

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The only thing that's going to stop a bad 12-year-old with a gun is a good 12-year-old with a gun.

Exactly! In a Second Amendment Paradise™, every student would have been armed, and then they could have returned fire!

Problem solved!
 
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People say "Guns don't kill people; people kill people". While true, guns make it a heck of a lot easier to kill people.
Cute, nevertheless you DO admit you agree with the adage, that it's people who do the killing, not the guns they wield.

Why then, if you admit that it's the people who do the killing, do you think it should be the tools they use to commit their crimes that we address rather than those who wield them for the purpose of killing?

I mean - by your logic, the preventive measure for say, someone beating someone else to death, would be to hack off everyone's fists. And you MIGHT have a point - cuz if we did that, there would be no beatings, no "deaths by fist" anymore. But then, what's to prevent someone from using their foot to kick someone to death now? Hack off all feet and that surely wouldn't ever happen again...

Shades of Monty Python and the Black Knight!

FWIW, there are a LOT of things that "make it a heck of a lot easier" for someone to kill:
Knives, Hatchets & axes, Cars & Trucks, Stones/Rocks, Airplanes, Bows and arrows, Slingshots, Candlesticks, Ropes, Wrenches (I like Clue), Bookends, Baseball bats. Power Tools, 100' cliffs...
(I'm sure I've missed a couple here and there)

Common to all, including firearms, are the individuals who wield them for nefarious purposes.
But FAR MORE common to all are the vast multitude of individuals who use (or own) them for positive purposes.
 
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A pre-teen that is intent upon killing other pre-teens ... ???
Exactly, it’s going to come up once a decade.
But we need a police officer at every school, ready to kill our homicidal 12 year-old?
 
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The life of no man, no child can come before the inalienable right to bear arms?

I don’t know anyone who has said this. Can you quote their post please? Or is this just an exaggeration of the truth?
 
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Exactly, it’s going to come up once a decade.
But we need a police officer at every school, ready to kill our homicidal 12 year-old?

Why do you only think of the 12 year old who is killing other INNOCENT kids? Why is the killer’s life so much more important than the innocent kid’s lives?
 
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Why do you only think of the 12 year old who is killing other INNOCENT kids? Why is the killer’s life so much more important than the innocent kid’s lives?
I think the larger question is “why does our country breed children who are willing to kill others”?

Treating the symptoms rather than identifying and fixing the “problems” is how we got here.

Maybe it’s the guns?
 
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I think the larger question is “why does our country breed children who are willing to kill others”?

Treating the symptoms rather than identifying and fixing the “problems” is how we got here.

Maybe it’s the guns?

Killing is been around a lot longer than guns have
 
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The life of no man, no child can come before the inalienable right to bear arms?

I don’t know anyone who has said this. Can you quote their post please? Or is this just an exaggeration of the truth?

I said it. It is a rhetorical question.

I will rephrase:

Can the inalienable right to bear arms come before the life of any man or child?

I think that the guns lobby have an answer. They put their rights before human life.
 
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The life of no man, no child can come before the inalienable right to bear arms?


I said it. It is a rhetorical question.

I will rephrase:

Can the inalienable right to bear arms come before the life of any man or child?

I think that the guns lobby have an answer. They put their rights before human life.

Yes that’s exactly what I suspected. No one actually said that, it’s just an exaggeration designed to make gun lobbyists appear worse than they actually are. It’s a deception is what it is.
 
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This is not a gun issue - it's a cultural issue, a conflict of visions, of world views.
Children shooting children is, yes, a “Big Picture” item.
But if guns weren’t so readily available (largely due to the gun culture that pins all its freedoms and fears onto their right to own a gun), maybe some kids wouldn’t get, you know, shot?
 
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Children shooting children is, yes, a “Big Picture” item.
But if guns weren’t so readily available (largely due to the gun culture that pins all its freedoms and fears onto their right to own a gun), maybe some kids wouldn’t get, you know, shot?
But let's be honest, isn't that a rather trite, specious argument?
And if condoms weren't readily available to all the boys her age, she'd most likely get pregnant. Same exact faulty, specious reasoning, albeit in reverse.

Did it ever occur to anyone to ask WHY she did what she did?

The left is so gun-phobic, so myopic about their very existence it can't see the real issue - an 11-year old girl went on a rampage trying to kill classmates and teachers in her school. Frankly, I'd like to know why.

...instead, this seems like just another opportunity for the left to forward their anti-gun agenda. To heck with the girl and her patently obvious issues.

Apparently, her issues wouldn't even BE an issue, "if guns weren't so readily available."

I mean, c'mon.

You know what was going on in schools when I was 11 years old? We were having target practice with them; optional classes to learn how to use them safely. You want to know WHERE those target ranges were? IN THE SCHOOL BASEMENT.

You tell me - what changed? Having more guns in society, or society itself?
 
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But let's be honest, isn't that a rather trite, specious argument?
And if condoms weren't readily available to all the boys her age, she'd most likely get pregnant. Same exact faulty, specious reasoning, albeit in reverse.

Did it ever occur to anyone to ask WHY she did what she did?

The left is so gun-phobic, so myopic about their very existence it can't see the real issue - an 11-year old girl went on a rampage trying to kill classmates and teachers in her school. Frankly, I'd like to know why.

...instead, this seems like just another opportunity for the left to forward their anti-gun agenda. To heck with the girl and her patently obvious issues.

Apparently, her issues wouldn't even BE an issue, "if guns weren't so readily available."

I mean, c'mon.

You know what was going on in schools when I was 11 years old? We were having target practice with them; optional classes to learn how to use them safely. You want to know WHERE those target ranges were? IN THE SCHOOL BASEMENT.

You tell me - what changed? Having more guns in society, or society itself?
Right, this issue isn’t about “the guns”.
But is there ever an issue that’ll make it about “the guns”?
If not, maybe it’s the guns?
 
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Yes that’s exactly what I suspected. No one actually said that, it’s just an exaggeration designed to make gun lobbyists appear worse than they actually are. It’s a deception is what it is.

Well, I was not quoting anybody, if that is what is bothering you. I cannot see what is deceptive about the original question. So let us turn the rhetorical question into a real question:

Should the right to bear arms come before the life of any man or child?
 
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People say "Guns don't kill people; people kill people". While true, guns make it a heck of a lot easier to kill people.
Absolutely true. Makes it so easy to kill people that a 100lb college girl can defend herself against a 200lb rapist.
 
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