Judge: DOJ memo saying not to charge Trump with obstruction must be released

Guinan · May 6, 2021

Fantine said:
But that there were at least 8 incidents of obstruction.

Hopefully justice will catch up with Trump and he will be #9. Special counsel Robert Mueller: ‘If we had had confidence that’ President Trump ‘clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so'.

Mueller: Trump could be charged with obstruction of justice after leaving office

Mueller prosecutor says Trump should be investigated and face charges after leaving office

Report doesn't exonerate Trump, Mueller testifies, and he could be charged after leaving office

Article excerpt: Mueller reminded us that his report “did not make a determination” as to whether the president committed a crime, but not because the evidence wasn’t there. It was, and in abundance. The only reason Mueller did not seek indictment was because the special counsel’s office “is part of the Department of Justice, and by regulation, was bound by that department policy”. That policy holds that a president “cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office”. Indicting the president was therefore “not an option we could consider”. This stunning statement was all there in the report, but it bears repeating. The only thing standing between Trump and an indictment is his status as president. - Robert Mueller made clear: he couldn't have indicted Trump even if he wanted to (emphasis added)

mark46 · May 6, 2021

hislegacy said:
What she personally believes mean nothing in a court of law - she should present this thing called proof.

She has indicated that she will release (un-redact) the memo (proof). She is giving the Justice the opportunity to appeal her decision.

hislegacy · May 6, 2021

mark46 said:
She has indicated that she will release (un-redact) the memo (proof). She is giving the Justice the opportunity to appeal her decision.

Will you support the decision regardless of the outcome?

mark46 · May 6, 2021

hislegacy said:
Will you support the decision regardless of the outcome?

Yes, I will support the decision of the court.

It is not clear at all that the public has a right to this advice memo.

That says nothing about the underlying issue: whether the Mueller report has enough evidence to prosecute Trump for Obstruction Of Justice. Barr may have been 100% correct that the evidence was not sufficient to charge a sitting president.

Fantine · May 6, 2021

I am surprised this is even a legal issue.

The current AG will not attempt to suppress any efforts to right the outrageous miscarriages of justice that took place during the Trump years.

mark46 · May 6, 2021

You statement is a political one. You are saying that there should be no court opposition to any efforts that attempt to right the outrageous miscarriages of the Trump administration. Legal issues SHOULD be just that, legal issues based on legal precedent and legal protocols.

Fantine said:
I am surprised this is even a legal issue.

The current AG will not attempt to suppress any efforts to right the outrageous miscarriages of justice that took place during the Trump years.

Arcangl86 · May 6, 2021

hislegacy said:
What she personally believes mean nothing in a court of law - she should present this thing called proof.

It's a good thing she didn't base her decision on belief but rather on an in camera review of the documents in question. Unfortunately large chunks of her reasoning are redacted atm, but that will probably change after the DoJ has a chance to respond to the motion.

disciple Clint · May 7, 2021

stevil said:
This would be a great topic for another thread. But this thread is about Barr's memo to not charge Trump with obstuction.

It is not off subject to respond to something stated in a previous post, we can rebut statements we feel are incorrect.

stevil · May 7, 2021

disciple Clint said:
It is not off subject to respond to something stated in a previous post, we can rebut statements we feel are incorrect.

You did a What-aboutism in post 4 of this thread in an attempt to distract from the topic

disciple Clint said:
That is a excellent Idea, while we are at it lets find out just how much involvement Obama ...

disciple Clint · May 7, 2021

stevil said:
You did a What-aboutism in post 4 of this thread in an attempt to distract from the topic

SimplyMe said:
the Obama administration did nothing to attempt to obstruct justice.

stevil said:
You did a in post 4 of this thread in an attempt to distract from the topic

Clearly I responded to "the Obama administration did nothing to attempt to obstruct justice. Responding to and correcting a post does not constitute What-aboutism or an off topic attempt to change to subject of a thread.

stevil · May 7, 2021

disciple Clint said:
Clearly I responded to "the Obama administration did nothing to attempt to obstruct justice. Responding to and correcting a post does not constitute What-aboutism or an off topic attempt to change to subject of a thread.

Your post 4 came before SimplyMe's post 5.

SimplyMe · May 7, 2021

disciple Clint said:
Do you know that as a fact? The Obama administration did obstruct justice, Holder was even held in contempt of congress for refusing to answer questions. The head of the IRS also failed to cooperate, Brennen lied under oath.

If that is your definition of obstruction, Pres. Trump obstructed more than any President in history, as he never let anyone in his administration testify before the Democratic House -- even during the impeachment trials. Also, refusing to testify before Congress is not Obstruction of Justice, so your Obama "what about-isms" are not examples of Obstruction of Justice, like the Mueller report claimed Pres. Trump attempted to do.

essentialsaltes · May 7, 2021

hislegacy said:
What she personally believes mean nothing in a court of law - she should present this thing called proof.

Try that one out on the judge next time you're in court.

disciple Clint · May 7, 2021

SimplyMe said:
If that is your definition of obstruction, Pres. Trump obstructed more than any President in history, as he never let anyone in his administration testify before the Democratic House -- even during the impeachment trials. Also, refusing to testify before Congress is not Obstruction of Justice, so your Obama "what about-isms" are not examples of Obstruction of Justice, like the Mueller report claimed Pres. Trump attempted to do.

The Attorney General of the United States has been held in contempt of Congress, both civil and criminal. For the first time in our nation’s 236 year history, the top law enforcement officer of this country has seen fit to arrogantly ignore the mandates of Congress. He has blatantly refused their subpoena to produce documents necessary for them to complete their investigation into potential criminal activity which directly led to the death of U.S. Border Patrol Officer Brian Terry and hundreds of Mexican citizens. Reasonable suspicion exists that the guns were used in the murder of ICE Agent Jaime Zapata in a roadside attack in northern Mexico and the wounding of fellow agent Victor Avila. Attorney General Holder Held in Contempt - Law Enforcement Today

Pommer · May 7, 2021

disciple Clint said:
The Attorney General of the United States has been held in contempt of Congress, both civil and criminal. For the first time in our nation’s 236 year history, the top law enforcement officer of this country has seen fit to arrogantly ignore the mandates of Congress. He has blatantly refused their subpoena to produce documents necessary for them to complete their investigation into potential criminal activity which directly led to the death of U.S. Border Patrol Officer Brian Terry and hundreds of Mexican citizens. Reasonable suspicion exists that the guns were used in the murder of ICE Agent Jaime Zapata in a roadside attack in northern Mexico and the wounding of fellow agent Victor Avila. Attorney General Holder Held in Contempt - Law Enforcement Today

Odd how a (nearly) nine year-old story about someone not mentioned or could reasonably inferred to have something to do with the OP gets shoveled in.

But Holder was eventually cleared in the DOJ’s IG Report. The 514 page report is a slog so it’ll include a screenshot of page 466, (I believe).
[Edit: play nice Pommer]

disciple Clint · May 7, 2021

Pommer said:
Odd how a (nearly) nine year-old story about someone not mentioned or could reasonably inferred to have something to do with the OP gets shoveled in.

But Holder was eventually cleared in the DOJ’s IG Report. The 514 page report is a slog so it’ll include a screenshot of page 466, (I believe).
[Edit: play nice Pommer]View attachment 298712

And that is supposed to explain the fact that he refused to provide subpoenaed documents ? Seriously, that sounds like nothing but a cyoa after the fact.

Pommer · May 8, 2021

disciple Clint said:
And that is supposed to explain the fact that he refused to provide subpoenaed documents ? Seriously, that sounds like nothing but a cyoa after the fact.

Issa was convinced that Holder knew about F&F before “late January or early February 2011” and subpoenaed documents that would prove that Holder did know before that time!
But the documents couldn’t be produced because they didn’t exist.
Because Holder only found out in late January or early February 2011.

disciple Clint · May 8, 2021

Pommer said:
Issa was convinced that Holder knew about F&F before “late January or early February 2011” and subpoenaed documents that would prove that Holder did know before that time!
But the documents couldn’t be produced because they didn’t exist.
Because Holder only found out in late January or early February 2011.

Because Holder did not want anyone to see them.

Pommer · May 8, 2021

disciple Clint said:
Because Holder did not want anyone to see them.

They didn’t exist.
He could not produce what his agency did not create.

disciple Clint · May 8, 2021

Pommer said:
They didn’t exist.
He could not produce what his agency did not create.

Too bad that out of the thousands of people working for him he could not find anyone to assemble the facts for him, sounds like a leadership failure.

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