COVERING THE PLANET IN FORESTS STILL WOULDN’T STOP CLIMATE CHANGE

Davy said:

Listening to The LORD in His Word gives a huge... advantage over simple opinions, including mine and yours. How it is written in His Word is how it all is going to happen. So understanding the end per God's Word reveals what 'must' happen, and will also give a certain picture leading up to the very end.

And the picture is a "one world government" over all peoples and nations. God's Word just uses a different label, calling it a beast kingdom, the beast of Rev.13 that's to have ten horns, ten crowns, and seven heads. And Rev.17 declares a king over it. Thus prior to Christ's return in our near future, there will be a one-world kingdom with a beast king, over all peoples and all nations. Will capitalism have something to do with that kingdom? Yes, no doubt, even as the Daniel 8 Scripture suggests that coming false world leader will cause craft to prosper by his hand.

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You talk about a one world government but not really about the how.
Science has a problem, and its called the end of knowledge and the possible.
What happens when the world realises there is a limit to the material world and there is only the creator and his creation? The focus shifts from secular ideas to extreme leaders and idiologies. And with the idiologies comes the beast and dictatorships.

Whether this will happen in our lifetime, the Lord knows, but at the moment, we are not close to this. We are close to control of our environment and global technological solutions.

God bless you

LightLoveHope said:

You talk about a one world government but not really about the how.

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I've mentioned sources for that too in my writing. Tragedy and Hope by Georgetown history professor Carrol Quigley is a major... source, so is his work The Anglo-American Establishment. And good grief, what do you think the United Nations goal is? Try reading their original organizing statements. Granted I'm probably a lot older than you, so I've had years of following this movement. Yet I know plenty of young people who clearly see it today.

Science has a problem, and its called the end of knowledge and the possible.
What happens when the world realises there is a limit to the material world and there is only the creator and his creation? The focus shifts from secular ideas to extreme leaders and idiologies. And with the idiologies comes the beast and dictatorships.

Whether this will happen in our lifetime, the Lord knows, but at the moment, we are not close to this. We are close to control of our environment and global technological solutions.

God bless you

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We are very... close to it. In the year 2000, the globalist gathered at the Great Pyramid in Egypt, and I mean U.S. President Bush, big global leaders and their bands of rich followers. The music group U2 provided the entertainment. Zahi Hawaas, the Egyptian curator of the Giza plateau then, was sponsor. Rich globalists donated gold, and they made a fake pyramid frame, covered it with metal overlaid with gold, and had planned to place it atop the Great Pyramid for its missing capstone. Their celebration happened, but they did not place their fake capstone. That celebration was then for their thinking to herald completion of their New World Order (i.e., another term for the "one world government" idea).

Why would they do that capstone thing? It represent the return of someone.

Jesus revealed with His parable of the fig the time when Judah would return and Israel would become a nation again per the Jeremiah 24 prophecy. It happened in 1948 when Israel became a nation again. Jesus then said that generation would not die out until all those 7 Signs of the end He gave in His Olivet discourse come to pass. So we are definitely 'in'... that last generation today. And they are getting pretty old. We are that close.

But the one-world beast kingdom of Rev.13 with the "dragon" being worshiped by the whole world must happen first, prior to Christ's return to gather His Church, which all that is written. Those not aware of that have a lot of Bible study catching up to do.

Davy said:

I've mentioned sources for that too in my writing. Tragedy and Hope by Georgetown history professor Carrol Quigley is a major... source, so is his work The Anglo-American Establishment. And good grief, what do you think the United Nations goal is? Try reading their original organizing statements. Granted I'm probably a lot older than you, so I've had years of following this movement. Yet I know plenty of young people who clearly see it today.



We are very... close to it. In the year 2000, the globalist gathered at the Great Pyramid in Egypt, and I mean U.S. President Bush, big global leaders and their bands of rich followers. The music group U2 provided the entertainment. Zahi Hawaas, the Egyptian curator of the Giza plateau then, was sponsor. Rich globalists donated gold, and they made a fake pyramid frame, covered it with metal overlaid with gold, and had planned to place it atop the Great Pyramid for its missing capstone. Their celebration happened, but they did not place their fake capstone. That celebration was then for their thinking to herald completion of their New World Order (i.e., another term for the "one world government" idea).

Why would they do that capstone thing? It represent the return of someone.

Jesus revealed with His parable of the fig the time when Judah would return and Israel would become a nation again per the Jeremiah 24 prophecy. It happened in 1948 when Israel became a nation again. Jesus then said that generation would not die out until all those 7 Signs of the end He gave in His Olivet discourse come to pass. So we are definitely 'in'... that last generation today. And they are getting pretty old. We are that close.

But the one-world beast kingdom of Rev.13 with the "dragon" being worshiped by the whole world must happen first, prior to Christ's return to gather His Church, which all that is written. Those not aware of that have a lot of Bible study catching up to do.

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For very powerful people in your ideas, they are not capable of doing very much, and come and go like the wind.

I have heard about the UN all my life, but it is largely a talking shop, to highlight issues and raise money. A few projects have been very successful, like eliminating small pox, but the rest, words not money.

The EU was going to be the antiChrist in the 1980's......never happened, Russia the land from the north, except the soviet union fell apart. What has fallen apart in church life and theology, with the miracle church failing to materialise but frauds and charlatans claiming control over everything through the words they speak.
And they really showed Covid where to go......no.

The miracle of communication, instant reporting, pressure of communities and groups has arisen and politicians need to play to an audience not just followers of idiologies.

God bless you

LightLoveHope said:

For very powerful people in your ideas, they are not capable of doing very much, and come and go like the wind.

I have heard about the UN all my life, but it is largely a talking shop, to highlight issues and raise money. A few projects have been very successful, like eliminating small pox, but the rest, words not money.

The EU was going to be the antiChrist in the 1980's......never happened, Russia the land from the north, except the soviet union fell apart. What has fallen apart in church life and theology, with the miracle church failing to materialise but frauds and charlatans claiming control over everything through the words they speak.
And they really showed Covid where to go......no.

The miracle of communication, instant reporting, pressure of communities and groups has arisen and politicians need to play to an audience not just followers of idiologies.

God bless you

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Well, you are definitely spouting 'their' propaganda.

The U.N. through UNESCO influences even U.S. public education. Starting with the Korean War, several member nations sent troops to fight against the North Korean Communists. Same thing in Vietnam, and same thing in the Gulf War, actually 28 nations participating in that one. And surely I don't need to mention the U.N.'s World Health Organization which the U.S. contributes to something like $400 million a year.

Obviously, you're just not well informed and have made up your own opinions based on hype.

As it's easy to see, the E.U. idea is not over. And it's been part of a globalist plan all along, along with the idea of an American union, and an Asia-Pacific union, i.e., a Tri-part world, a plan of the Trilateral Commission, a globalist think tank that started in the 1970s and headed by ex-President Jimmy Carter and David Rockefeller.

As for the collapse of Communist Russia, it is still... run by the Communist Kremlin, and its president was ex-KGB. All they did was introduce a new economic plan to add to their old Communist NEP goals, and that new plan was to allow a certain amount of democratization (with a certain amount of Capitalism), which is part of their ultimate plan to join East with West. The ex-KGB colonel Golitsyn that defected to the U.S. in the 1960s explained much of that, and even predicted in 1984 that the Soviets might allow the Berlin Wall to come down if it was time for the 3rd and final phase of their disinformation strategy against the West (see New Lies For Old written in 1984).

Even in the book The Naked Communist (1958) by ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen covered Soviet strategic points against the West that are still... in operation today, quite a few of them already fulfilled. Those points were entered into the U.S. Congressional Record in 1963, showing how serious Congress treated Skousen's work.

In Quigley's book Tragedy and Hope, he stated that the "Insiders", of whom he said he had been associated with all his life, that the Round Table Group often works with Communism and has no problem doing so. That's a revelation to those who aren't familiar with what the secret society of Cecil Rhodes' students is really about, with the goal of a one world government. But Skousen said the Soviets agreed to the formation of the U.N. as long as it had the goal of a "one world government". Thus both factions are, and have been, working together towards that goal. The Rhodes program is a working towards a Socialist one-world government. The World Communist plan is towards a Socialist one-world government. So naturally they both work together.

Then of course there's The Bible, the last Word on all this. Lord Jesus prophesied through Apostle John about a final beast kingdom of ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns, established over ALL nations and peoples, with their worshiping the "dragon" (Revelation 13:1-8). It states it is to have power for 42 months, and have power over the saints for that time. Thus God's Word CONFIRM the above movements today towards a one-world government for the end of this world, along with a final Antichrist figure as king over it all, which will be that "dragon" mentioned there.

The natural environment, for which much of mankind continues to hold in such contempt, is the universe's only known depository of plant and animal life, whose genetic diversity can't be replaced once its allowed to become extinct!

The reality is that "We don't know what we don't know" - despite our scientific knowledge, self-inflicted "climate change" is uncharted territory, where those "unintended consequences" associated with the worldwide degregation of the natural environment may not be known until its far too late to reverse the process!

Davy said:

Well, you are definitely spouting 'their' propaganda.

The U.N. through UNESCO influences even U.S. public education. Starting with the Korean War, several member nations sent troops to fight against the North Korean Communists. Same thing in Vietnam, and same thing in the Gulf War, actually 28 nations participating in that one. And surely I don't need to mention the U.N.'s World Health Organization which the U.S. contributes to something like $400 million a year.

Obviously, you're just not well informed and have made up your own opinions based on hype.

As it's easy to see, the E.U. idea is not over. And it's been part of a globalist plan all along, along with the idea of an American union, and an Asia-Pacific union, i.e., a Tri-part world, a plan of the Trilateral Commission, a globalist think tank that started in the 1970s and headed by ex-President Jimmy Carter and David Rockefeller.

As for the collapse of Communist Russia, it is still... run by the Communist Kremlin, and its president was ex-KGB. All they did was introduce a new economic plan to add to their old Communist NEP goals, and that new plan was to allow a certain amount of democratization (with a certain amount of Capitalism), which is part of their ultimate plan to join East with West. The ex-KGB colonel Golitsyn that defected to the U.S. in the 1960s explained much of that, and even predicted in 1984 that the Soviets might allow the Berlin Wall to come down if it was time for the 3rd and final phase of their disinformation strategy against the West (see New Lies For Old written in 1984).

Even in the book The Naked Communist (1958) by ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen covered Soviet strategic points against the West that are still... in operation today, quite a few of them already fulfilled. Those points were entered into the U.S. Congressional Record in 1963, showing how serious Congress treated Skousen's work.

In Quigley's book Tragedy and Hope, he stated that the "Insiders", of whom he said he had been associated with all his life, that the Round Table Group often works with Communism and has no problem doing so. That's a revelation to those who aren't familiar with what the secret society of Cecil Rhodes' students is really about, with the goal of a one world government. But Skousen said the Soviets agreed to the formation of the U.N. as long as it had the goal of a "one world government". Thus both factions are, and have been, working together towards that goal. The Rhodes program is a working towards a Socialist one-world government. The World Communist plan is towards a Socialist one-world government. So naturally they both work together.

Then of course there's The Bible, the last Word on all this. Lord Jesus prophesied through Apostle John about a final beast kingdom of ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns, established over ALL nations and peoples, with their worshiping the "dragon" (Revelation 13:1-8). It states it is to have power for 42 months, and have power over the saints for that time. Thus God's Word CONFIRM the above movements today towards a one-world government for the end of this world, along with a final Antichrist figure as king over it all, which will be that "dragon" mentioned there.

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I am slightly confused. I am not spouting any propoganda. A message is a series of concepts which are spread to create an affect. The message maybe true or false.

If I understand the science and facts behind the concepts, and reinforce the message, I am a source of the message as much as anyone else. In truth the old divides between exploitation by owners of capital or exploitation by idealists with a creed, are dying, because we now have a much more complex and nuanced world and series of options and opportunities. Food, production and shelter have all been industrialised, and the issues are now administrative and conceptual rather than manual labour and manipulation.

So you get China, a capitalist dictatorship, exploding with an enterprise market, yet also individual citizen restrictions, against the free world driven by consume products and demand. Even the economic models are cracking, because it is not clear how currency supply and demand meet up in this integrated system.

What is clearer to me now, is who we are as people and what as populations we need is becoming clearer and hopefully easier to fulfil. If we get the balances right, Isaac Asimoves idea of foundation and empire might actually come into affect.

God bless you

LightLoveHope said:

I am slightly confused. I am not spouting any propoganda. A message is a series of concepts which are spread to create an affect. The message maybe true or false.

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Ideas that go against the actual evidence is spouting propaganda, whether the one speaking the anti view realizes it or not. And when giving no evidence contrary to the source (the sources I gave) while saying those things are not so, that is just opinion only.

If I understand the science and facts behind the concepts, and reinforce the message, I am a source of the message as much as anyone else.

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No, you are not a source on this matter. You may have an opinion about it, but unless you can produce sources that counter the evidence I gave, then it's just your personal opinion.

The reason why the sources of Carrol Quigley that I gave are so strong is because the Insiders themselves endorsed him. Quigley was Bill Clinton's history professor at Georgetown university, and Clinton endorsed Quigley publically in his inaugural speech. Quigley himself said he had been close to the Round Table Group all his life, and had been allowed to see their "secret records" for two years (per Tragedy and Hope). The main thing he disagreed with them on was that the group has been influential in western history but they chose to remain secret, and he thought they should be known. Quigley revealed in his books the founding of the Rhodes scholarship program in association with the Rhodes' secret society and Round Table Group. Clinton was a Rhodes scholar and attended Oxford.

Good luck trying to counter all that.

Davy said:

Ideas that go against the actual evidence is spouting propaganda, whether the one speaking the anti view realizes it or not. And when giving no evidence contrary to the source (the sources I gave) while saying those things are not so, that is just opinion only.



No, you are not a source on this matter. You may have an opinion about it, but unless you can produce sources that counter the evidence I gave, then it's just your personal opinion.

The reason why the sources of Carrol Quigley that I gave are so strong is because the Insiders themselves endorsed him. Quigley was Bill Clinton's history professor at Georgetown university, and Clinton endorsed Quigley publically in his inaugural speech. Quigley himself said he had been close to the Round Table Group all his life, and had been allowed to see their "secret records" for two years (per Tragedy and Hope). The main thing he disagreed with them on was that the group has been influential in western history but they chose to remain secret, and he thought they should be known. Quigley revealed in his books the founding of the Rhodes scholarship program in association with the Rhodes' secret society and Round Table Group. Clinton was a Rhodes scholar and attended Oxford.

Good luck trying to counter all that.

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Climate change is about the average temperature of the earth increasing due to human activity, and the negative impacts of this on low lying areas around the world.

What I find amazing if how people want to argue against sea level rise, when it is happening across the world, or rainfall change, with droughts and floods along with super size storms. Take simply the last 20 years, which have 10 or more of the hottest years on record. Or Miami having to raise flood barriers, roads etc. or Toronto and the great lakes flooding their banks.

The measurement of artic and antartic ice sheets is they are melting at faster and faster rates, along with glaciers all over the world. Currently as far a melting is concerned we are on the worst case scenario already and its speeding up.

One simple feature in the Himalayas is the melt water waters india, china and south east asia. When this melts, billions of people will be radically affected. It will be a disaster.

But at present the cost is minimal, but without action will be devastating.

God bless you

LightLoveHope said:

Climate change is about the average temperature of the earth increasing due to human activity, and the negative impacts of this on low lying areas around the world.

What I find amazing if how people want to argue against sea level rise, when it is happening across the world, or rainfall change, with droughts and floods along with super size storms. Take simply the last 20 years, which have 10 or more of the hottest years on record. Or Miami having to raise flood barriers, roads etc. or Toronto and the great lakes flooding their banks.

The measurement of artic and antartic ice sheets is they are melting at faster and faster rates, along with glaciers all over the world. Currently as far a melting is concerned we are on the worst case scenario already and its speeding up.

One simple feature in the Himalayas is the melt water waters india, china and south east asia. When this melts, billions of people will be radically affected. It will be a disaster.

But at present the cost is minimal, but without action will be devastating.

God bless you

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Hmmmm. The global warming aliens must have caused by pumping co2 into the atmosphere when they melted the great glaciers that covered all of North America must have been horrific.

You think I’m joking? I only did what you and the entire faux science community did so how is it a joke? I came up with a “theory” about the cause of the warming and used the fact that the planet warmed as the proof of my “theory.”

You are involved in something so typical of denigrate mankind and its insatiable desire to rule over humanity in place of Christ. For gosh sakes dude. It’s solar radiation that is responsible for our warm atmosphere. There are hundreds of things that cause variations in the amount of solar radiation hitting the earth and warming or cooling the atmosphere. Yet none of these models that predict global warming due to man made co2 emissions include those variations. Much less the thousands of other variables in the earths ecosystem.

Scientism as opposed to science is born of the spirit of antichrist that wants to rule over mankind and control every aspect of human existence. What better way of doing this than claiming the main by-product of human existence, co2 needs to be completely regulated by “the experts” who are intimately connected to....stranger than fiction..... the most anti Bible faction of political entities? The political left.

Meanwhile the true ecological apocalypse continues un-abated. 2/3 of humanity dumping their raw sewage and toxic industrial waste into the water and air. The wealthy nations of the world spent a hundred trillion dollars of middle class wealth building infrastructure to filter their waste. Making them in comparison to even 60 years ago. Nations that don’t pollute and their ecosystems along the way to full recovery. (Yes there is more to do.)

it will cost 200 trillion dollars for the rest of the world to do this. Money they don’t or will not have without something transformational happening to them. Yet the left not only opposes the transformational nature of the gospel. They oppose the creation of wealth that is a by product of that transformation and believe it is the wealth itself that is the culprit behind environmental degradation.

This is just another front in the war between good and evil. God’s invisible kingdom and the devils oppressive rule over Gods creation.

Daniel Martinovich said:

Hmmmm. The global warming aliens must have caused by pumping co2 into the atmosphere when they melted the great glaciers that covered all of North America must have been horrific.

You think I’m joking? I only did what you and the entire faux science community did so how is it a joke? I came up with a “theory” about the cause of the warming and used the fact that the planet warmed as the proof of my “theory.”

You are involved in something so typical of denigrate mankind and its insatiable desire to rule over humanity in place of Christ. For gosh sakes dude. It’s solar radiation that is responsible for our warm atmosphere. There are hundreds of things that cause variations in the amount of solar radiation hitting the earth and warming or cooling the atmosphere. Yet none of these models that predict global warming due to man made co2 emissions include those variations. Much less the thousands of other variables in the earths ecosystem.

Scientism as opposed to science is born of the spirit of antichrist that wants to rule over mankind and control every aspect of human existence. What better way of doing this than claiming the main by-product of human existence, co2 needs to be completely regulated by “the experts” who are intimately connected to....stranger than fiction..... the most anti Bible faction of political entities? The political left.

Meanwhile the true ecological apocalypse continues un-abated. 2/3 of humanity dumping their raw sewage and toxic industrial waste into the water and air. The wealthy nations of the world spent a hundred trillion dollars of middle class wealth building infrastructure to filter their waste. Making them in comparison to even 60 years ago. Nations that don’t pollute and their ecosystems along the way to full recovery. (Yes there is more to do.)

it will cost 200 trillion dollars for the rest of the world to do this. Money they don’t or will not have without something transformational happening to them. Yet the left not only opposes the transformational nature of the gospel. They oppose the creation of wealth that is a by product of that transformation and believe it is the wealth itself that is the culprit behind environmental degradation.

This is just another front in the war between good and evil. God’s invisible kingdom and the devils oppressive rule over Gods creation.

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Let me answer you simply. There are other explanations to the changing climate, except science exists to put forward hypothesis and look for ways to prove or disprove the hypothesis.

Let us put human activity into context. We exist over the whole world and have used 75% of farmable land to use to produce food. We have reduced the total biomass of creation by 50%.
We have raised emissions into the atmosphere above what has been in the recent past.

We know climate is linked directly close to food production and adequate supply of water.
So now we need to take action. There is an argument that says we should ask Jesus except He has given us responsibility to rule and work things through. The Kingdom has always been about taking responsibility and sowing to reap reward.

God bless you

No one is asking Jesus to fix the problem. Don’t be ridiculous. It looks like your just avoiding the issue. You say God gave us the responsibility of stewardship. Yes and I’m saying as a person influenced by the left. You are as wrong as you can be and ARE THE PROBLEM. In so much as you are influenced by the faux science left who are wrong about everything.
Te real pollution pictured below is the real crises. See how the USA has cleaned up their air pollution? That is just since 1980. It was worse before that. Then the picture on my next post shows where the developing world is now air pollution wise. Like we were 80 years ago. The creation of wealth, wealth that the Bible’s prophecy promises would come to the masses in the free world as the natural result of the transformation of the nations is the answer to the problem. So yes Jesus is going to fix it. You should, as someone who claims Christianity know: If your on the fixing side or the side that opposes the growth and influence of his government that naturally brings the creation of wealth.

LightLoveHope said:

Let me answer you simply. There are other explanations to the changing climate, except science exists to put forward hypothesis and look for ways to prove or disprove the hypothesis.

Let us put human activity into context. We exist over the whole world and have used 75% of farmable land to use to produce food. We have reduced the total biomass of creation by 50%.
We have raised emissions into the atmosphere above what has been in the recent past.

We know climate is linked directly close to food production and adequate supply of water.
So now we need to take action. There is an argument that says we should ask Jesus except He has given us responsibility to rule and work things through. The Kingdom has always been about taking responsibility and sowing to reap reward.

God bless you

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Seems the picture of the rest of the planet didn’t come through so I’ll post it on this one. Remember these pictures are just the air pollution. The water pollution is way worse. The faux science says that global warming is bleaching the coral reefs. Yeah right. AS IF! Billions of gallons of untreated waste, raw sewage and the worst industrial toxins known to man pouring into the Indian and Pacific oceans have nothing to do with that.

You also sight other data.the whole scope man is the cancer on Mother Earth that needs dealt with data. You should also know that as wealth increases on the planet reproduction decreases. There isn’t a wealthy nation on the earth outside Israel that is replacing its population through birth. Japan will see a decrease to 80 million by the end of the century. Down from 120, (I think)
The trend everywhere is downward. We are actually headed for a demographic nightmare. But...for those who think man is the cancer. Well there is your answer once more. Wealth.

LightLoveHope said:

Climate change is about the average temperature of the earth increasing due to human activity, and the negative impacts of this on low lying areas around the world.

What I find amazing if how people want to argue against sea level rise, when it is happening across the world, or rainfall change, with droughts and floods along with super size storms. Take simply the last 20 years, which have 10 or more of the hottest years on record. Or Miami having to raise flood barriers, roads etc. or Toronto and the great lakes flooding their banks.

The measurement of artic and antartic ice sheets is they are melting at faster and faster rates, along with glaciers all over the world. Currently as far a melting is concerned we are on the worst case scenario already and its speeding up.

One simple feature in the Himalayas is the melt water waters india, china and south east asia. When this melts, billions of people will be radically affected. It will be a disaster.

But at present the cost is minimal, but without action will be devastating.

God bless you

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I don't put much faith in climate change 'theory'. The Ozone (O3 molecule) layer is self-replenishing. God evidently knew man would try to mess around with it at some point, so He made a built-in protection. Pseudo-science is what climate change is about.

I recall seeing a satellite feed years ago by Dr. Gene Scott in L.A. During the weekly programming he would ask viewers to send in copies of books for him to research. If they were relevant he would read excerpts from them live on his programming.

One work he was sent was from the GPO (Government Printing Office). It was a U.S. Congress financial budget proposal to fund existing weather machine projects. Some of the types of weather research were described in it. It revealed that the U.S. has the technology to make it snow or rain in the desert, or making green areas dry up with no rain. And with one project at the south pole, they had a machine tower that emitting low frequency waves that when received at a receiving station at the north pole it created a huge amount of heat. Tesla did say in his later years that he had developed a weapon that could produce a lot of damage without the fallout, and that he could aim it anywhere on the planet.

My point is, most of us don't have a real clue as to what technology they really have, and are playing with...

Weather Control as a Cold War Weapon | History | Smithsonian Magazine

Daniel Martinovich said:

No one is asking Jesus to fix the problem. Don’t be ridiculous. It looks like your just avoiding the issue. You say God gave us the responsibility of stewardship. Yes and I’m saying as a person influenced by the left. You are as wrong as you can be and ARE THE PROBLEM. In so much as you are influenced by the faux science left who are wrong about everything.
Te real pollution pictured below is the real crises. See how the USA has cleaned up their air pollution? That is just since 1980. It was worse before that. Then the picture on my next post shows where the developing world is now air pollution wise. Like we were 80 years ago. The creation of wealth, wealth that the Bible’s prophecy promises would come to the masses in the free world as the natural result of the transformation of the nations is the answer to the problem. So yes Jesus is going to fix it. You should, as someone who claims Christianity know: If your on the fixing side or the side that opposes the growth and influence of his government that naturally brings the creation of wealth.
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You dismiss the majority of scientists expert in climate etc who all agree climate change is real and caused by man. In one phrase faux science to say you have the true picture.

This is what is called an hypothesis, an idea, which maybe to true or false. To be a real theory with proof you need to provide an experiment which shows either it is right or it is wrong.

Let me take something very simple. In summer going on holiday, we used to have a windscreen full of insects killed by just going along the motorway at speed. Do this now and you will get only a few insects. It turns out 50% of the biomass of insects have gone from the world, worldwide. It was thought this might be just a regional issue, but from rainforests on every continent, to north and south of the equator the same thing has happened. This is a life extinction event. We are destroying all life on the planet.

Wild mammals now makes up only 4% of all mammals, 36% are humans, 60% are livestock. Of birds 70% are poultry, and 30% wild.

Of all living organisms, 82% are plants, 13% bacteria, and 5% the rest.

We have changed the world, literally, and all life.
It is hard to see, but what you see around us, in our gardens and the farmed countryside is our world now. This explosion obviously has affects, and climate change is just stating it is dangerous in meaningful ways, and we need to limit and control this affect, before it becomes a runaway, if it has not already become such.

Now the facts I am quoting are not disputable. What is disputable is whether there is a place of stability we have not yet seen, a new ice age, or a ice free world with higher CO2 but a better compromise. At present the best guess is slow it down and learn what it is before we destroy everything.

Funnily enough the bible does not predict this kind of an issue or this kind of outcome and solution. But then computers and me communicating with you over thousands of miles instantly, was also not part of anything people thought possible.

God bless you

Davy said:

I don't put much faith in climate change 'theory'. The Ozone (O3 molecule) layer is self-replenishing. God evidently knew man would try to mess around with it at some point, so He made a built-in protection. Pseudo-science is what climate change is about.

I recall seeing a satellite feed years ago by Dr. Gene Scott in L.A. During the weekly programming he would ask viewers to send in copies of books for him to research. If they were relevant he would read excerpts from them live on his programming.

One work he was sent was from the GPO (Government Printing Office). It was a U.S. Congress financial budget proposal to fund existing weather machine projects. Some of the types of weather research were described in it. It revealed that the U.S. has the technology to make it snow or rain in the desert, or making green areas dry up with no rain. And with one project at the south pole, they had a machine tower that emitting low frequency waves that when received at a receiving station at the north pole it created a huge amount of heat. Tesla did say in his later years that he had developed a weapon that could produce a lot of damage without the fallout, and that he could aim it anywhere on the planet.

My point is, most of us don't have a real clue as to what technology they really have, and are playing with...

Weather Control as a Cold War Weapon | History | Smithsonian Magazine

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They do not have weather change technology.
Simple point. California has a massive drought, for years, came out of one, and just seemingly now entering another. If there was weather control technology that worked it would have been used.

What has been shocking to scientists is that we have changed the climate. How can we as such small creatures affect something so large. With supercomputers, they can start to model the weather systems and make real predictions and create potential outcomes. And what they have learnt is everything is all very finely balanced, with varying affects and influences, which we also have real input into. And the point of science is to establish truth from fiction, to guess at a possible explanation and prove it true or false.

Out of all this soup of ideas, things are becoming clear. 7 billion people need feeding and looking after, and we do not have the resources to do this. So we must change and educate and restructure everything or we will not survive. What is at stake is WWIII, billions dying, whole cities and communities having to be moved, farming communities totally destroyed, people without water or basic resources, land unusable for farming etc.

And some of this is already starting. Vietnam relies on rice fields, being able to flood them etc to grow food. Sea level rise will remove 50% of the food production at least in the next 30 years. And this is just the start.

A disaster in slow motion is still a disaster. But there is hope, we can now predict and take stock and shift efforts etc and communicate, and become a mobile civilisation, rather than rooted in cities etc.

God bless you

jgarden said:

The natural environment, for which much of mankind continues to hold in such contempt, is the universe's only known depository of plant and animal life, whose genetic diversity can't be replaced once its allowed to become extinct!

The reality is that "We don't know what we don't know" - despite our scientific knowledge, self-inflicted "climate change" is uncharted territory, where those "unintended consequences" associated with the worldwide degregation of the natural environment may not be known until its far too late to reverse the process!

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I like this image, because all the points are real, Covid has killed 500,000+ people, a recession has hit already and will always return because of the way we run our economic system, and climate change is here for real.

The 1930's happened with the great depression.
People starve and have starved for generations of known history, but which we personally have not been touched by.

Islands are already sinking beneath the sea and homes being lost.
This world is a dangerous place, but for once in history we have real solutions to real problems in a way never possible before. What we need now is to put into the action the love that Jesus put into our hearts to take the opportunity to bless and help others as well as ourselves.

God bless you

LightLoveHope said:

I like this image, because all the points are real, Covid has killed 500,000+ people, a recession has hit already and will always return because of the way we run our economic system, and climate change is here for real.

The 1930's happened with the great depression.
People starve and have starved for generations of known history, but which we personally have not been touched by.

Islands are already sinking beneath the sea and homes being lost.
This world is a dangerous place, but for once in history we have real solutions to real problems in a way never possible before. What we need now is to put into the action the love that Jesus put into our hearts to take the opportunity to bless and help others as well as ourselves.

God bless you

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First off. What you said about the worlds “climate” scientist. Is a blatant blantent lie. A majority of the science community in all the fields related to this subject are no where near any kind of consensus or agreement that man made Co2 emissions are responsible for climate change. The “science” leaders of your movement have been proven as frauds over the decades. Your spouting off leftist propaganda.

You can see the exact thing going on with COVID. The government and media pick and chose their experts and completely ignore and censor leaders in their fields and thousand of other scientists and doctors who disagree with them.

The rest of your paragraphs are an even bigger ploy. Not even addressing your specific figures. You are connecting all that environmental degradation to climate change. What a crock! Yet you ignore the elephant in the room that is actually doing most of the killing of the environment. 2/3rds of humanity dumping ther raw sewage and toxic industrial waste into the water and air. when I was a little kid back East you could throw a match in a major River and light it on fire it was so polluted. Yet now the fish are back and the water is clear. But that pollution is what it is like all over the world and your attributing the horrific environmental damage that is doing to climate change. How dishonest and myopic can you get.

But I guess your making my point. “Climate change” is really just a dog whistle for civilization like white privilege and supremacy is just a dog whistle for Bible based Christianity. Maybe I’ll talk about your specifics when I get home from work tonight.

LightLoveHope said:

They do not have weather change technology.

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Then the Smithsonian lied according to you.

Weather Control as a Cold War Weapon | History | Smithsonian Magazine

They've been playing with weather influence for quite a long time.

Daniel Martinovich said:

First off. What you said about the worlds “climate” scientist. Is a blatant blantent lie. A majority of the science community in all the fields related to this subject are no where near any kind of consensus or agreement that man made Co2 emissions are responsible for climate change. The “science” leaders of your movement have been proven as frauds over the decades. Your spouting off leftist propaganda.

You can see the exact thing going on with COVID. The government and media pick and chose their experts and completely ignore and censor leaders in their fields and thousand of other scientists and doctors who disagree with them.

The rest of your paragraphs are an even bigger ploy. Not even addressing your specific figures. You are connecting all that environmental degradation to climate change. What a crock! Yet you ignore the elephant in the room that is actually doing most of the killing of the environment. 2/3rds of humanity dumping ther raw sewage and toxic industrial waste into the water and air. when I was a little kid back East you could throw a match in a major River and light it on fire it was so polluted. Yet now the fish are back and the water is clear. But that pollution is what it is like all over the world and your attributing the horrific environmental damage that is doing to climate change. How dishonest and myopic can you get.

But I guess your making my point. “Climate change” is really just a dog whistle for civilization like white privilege and supremacy is just a dog whistle for Bible based Christianity. Maybe I’ll talk about your specifics when I get home from work tonight.

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"blatent lie"

This is strong language for refuting simple science.
If all the universities, research departments accept the climate has changed, this is not a lie.
The primary cause is still under investigation. Where you seem to be mistaken is in your assertion I am saying CO2 is the problem. CO2 is a problem, and it is something we can do something about.
When every country in the world is prepared to take action on this, it is not a lie or propoganda but accepted fact. When countries, conservative and liberal are prepared to force switching from petrol cars to electric cars, this is fact.

Now maybe you can come out with your strong language but it does not change were society is going.
And yes of course things can recover given the right circumstances etc. but this cannot be assumed. COD literally got fished out of the coast of Canada. Industrialisation of everything means we can now wipe anything and everything out.

But this makes me wonder, whether you accept man now dominates the whole world, literally. There are no truly wild places left, or places people cannot choose to go.

I know people who think the world is flat, so some will accept climate change is a hoax. I am not here to condemn others, just to share what is happening and why. It is up to individuals to choose their response.

God bless you

Davy said:

Then the Smithsonian lied according to you.

Weather Control as a Cold War Weapon | History | Smithsonian Magazine

They've been playing with weather influence for quite a long time.

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This is a joke.

There are aliens on the dark side of the moon, there are photographs of their buildings!!!!
No.

Someone made a good point about UFO's recently. The world is full of smart phones now with instant camera action available, yet no mass streaming of UFO sightings?

It is all just miss-placed sightings and anomalies which add up to nothing.
Control of the weather?????

We are victims of the weather not controllers. God bless you