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I think you missed the part when I said "for me" a personal conviction. I never said the bible said drinking is 100% a sin.
I didn't miss it. I'm asking why you believe drinking any alcohol is sinful for you, when the Bible doesn't hold you to that standard, and when you don't get drunk, and when you don't seem to use drinking as a crutch, and you are over the legal drinking age.
 
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lots to say about drunkards in scripture. Me I was a drunkard used to loved to drink, God has taken away all desire from me to drink now. Praise the Lord. When I bring this scripture up to my freinds the first thing they want to do is define a drunkard. Shouldn't the first thing we want to do is please our heavenly father!! no good comes from drinking, God can free you from your desire to drink if you let him, Love God more then anything else in the world and he will change you.

Then again some people can drink just one or two and not want any more, that something I can not relate to.


1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:21
Envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
 
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"For him who knows what to do (or not do), and he continues disobeying anyway, for him it is sin"
i.e. It is not repentance.
"Without repentance is no forgiveness of sin." (asking forgiveness while continuing to sin is vain and empty, without any good effect and without forgiveness)
so even if my ultimate goal is to be free from it and not do it forever and i stay repentant during my struggles its still not me getting real forgiveness?
 
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so even if my ultimate goal is to be free from it and not do it forever and i stay repentant during my struggles its still not me getting real forgiveness?
You did not say "stay repentant" earlier.
If you do as you said earlier, it is not only not "staying repentant", it is not repentance at all.

Realize repentance is not a feeling nor an emotion. (Neither is Yahweh's Love, btw).

Repentance means turn to Yahweh, STOP (not continue) sinning.
 
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You did not say "stay repentant" earlier.
If you do as you said earlier, it is not only not "staying repentant", it is not repentance at all.

Realize repentance is not a feeling nor an emotion. (Neither is Yahweh's Love, btw).

Repentance means turn to Yahweh, STOP (not continue) sinning.



I DID SAY staying repentent, this is what i said (first line)

"If I live in repentance yet I know what im doing is sin, would i go to hell. Basically I know it would be a sin but because I ask for forgiveness does that mean im still forgiven. even though I know what I do is wrong and still daily ask for forgiveness. or is there at that point no more forgiveness until i quit because im just doing a sin over and over when i know its wrong "for me/""



so the people that struggle with addiction arent getting forgiveness, even though they know its wrong but its hard to stop, yet ask god to forgive them?
 
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lots to say about drunkards in scripture. Me I was a drunkard used to loved to drink, God has taken away all desire from me to drink now. Praise the Lord. When I bring this scripture up to my freinds the first thing they want to do is define a drunkard. Shouldn't the first thing we want to do is please our heavenly father!! no good comes from drinking, God can free you from your desire to drink if you let him, Love God more then anything else in the world and he will change you.
And all the angels in heaven REJOICE OVER ONE SINNER brought to eternal life !

Yahweh LOVES and AIMS at "change" , and made EVERY PROVISION NEEDED TO "CHANGE" someone completely to newness of life in Christ Jesus!
 
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Staying repentant would mean you stopped doing what you did, NOT THIS >> (underlined bold, red)
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QUOTE="JoshFL, post: 73036109, member: 402768"]I DID SAY staying repentent, this is what i said (first line)

"If I live in repentance yet I know what im doing is sin, would i go to hell. Basically I know it would be a sin but because I ask for forgiveness does that mean im still forgiven. even though I know what I do is wrong and still daily ask for forgiveness. or is there at that point no more forgiveness until i quit because im just doing a sin over and over when i know its wrong "for me/""[/QUOTE
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so the people that struggle with addiction arent getting forgiveness, even though they know its wrong but its hard to stop, yet ask god to forgive them?
Better to ask Yahweh (God) for deliverance/ healing as well as to repent (STOP SINNING)
no matter how easy nor how hard it is to stop.

The Prodigal son was not re-united with his father until he left his sinful life and went back home - if he went back to the pigs to eat the same food again and to live with them, he would no longer be in his father's house, would he ?
 
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This is contradictory. You cannot live in repentance yet know what you are doing is sin. That is a false and impossible statement , maybe part of a false gospel you heard somewhere ? and is common among billions of people .
I DID SAY staying repentent, this is what i said (first line)

"If I live in repentance yet I know what im doing is sin
 
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Went though this same thing dear brother or sister. I felt so convicted for a good while... This was a period of deep sorrow and fear of punishmemt.. far from the blessed assurance of forgiveness in Christ. Just put it down. You have to come to the point where you know the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.. pray to the Lord that he helps you and removes the desire to get drunk and ask that he replaces it with a desire to live a Godly life in Christ.
 
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To start, I like to begin with Whisky. As you may know, Scotland designed Whisky, and, regardless of a few nations' brave endeavors to make it themselves, they don't lay a glove on us. They don't draw near! Also, as far as I might be concerned, the most elite is Malt Whisky, and the most elite of the best in Speyside Malt Whisky, refined in the delightful Highland wide open of Scotland. It is also very curious to study the drinks of various popular personalities, I saw Favorite Alcoholic Drinks of US Presidents and immediately realized that I should be like Obama and try his favorite alcoholic drink or even drinks. Why not?
 
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i know there is a bible verse hebrews 10:26 says if we keep sinning purposely we lose salvation or something


so if i drink alcohol and do feel its wrong but want to quit but keep drinking will i lose my salvation because im going against conviction? or will the lord punish me


please honest help and answers

For some people, alcohol is a sin, because it leads to drunkenness and other sins. Others may just have a casual drink, and it does no harm. Firstly you need to assess what it is doing with your life, is it causing other sin? Personally my self I choose not to drink at all because I do not want to set a bad example for my sons. There are many things to consider.

But if you feel it is sin, and wish to quit. Try increasing the amount of time you spend in prayer and bible study. For Jesus said:

Mark 14:38 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

This means that if we don't pray often, our fleshly, or earthly desires can overtake us, but if we pray regularly the Holy Spirit strengthens us, helps us not to sin.

God wants to strengthen and help you he is not against you.
 
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then it makes me think do i only feel weird because i grew up in a home against booze? or is it conviction from Holy Spirit

I like your humble attitude friend. In AA our first step is to admit we are powerless over alcohol and our lives have become unmanageable. It doesn't sound like you're powerless or your life is unmanageable. I think you're influenced by your household views on alcohol. If drinking brings unhappiness, maybe you have a problem to worry about. I've been a recovering alcoholic since 1995. I began feeling more guilt than pleasure from my drinking. Of course I had to drink all of whatever was present. My problem is stopping once I start. If you can drink one or two drinks and then stop, you likely aren't an alcoholic. Pray on it and sincerely ask God for wisdom. Because I feel your conscience may be the Holy Spirit trying to guide you. Your willingness to discuss it at all seems more mature than I ever was hahaha. I always had faith in God since being saved as a teenager. But I didn’t finish reading the Bible till the isolation last year. He saw fit to help me stay sober anyhow. He will certainly help you understand if you ask. Have a great day my friend.
 
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so even if my ultimate goal is to be free from it and not do it forever and i stay repentant during my struggles its still not me getting real forgiveness?

I don't believe so. After all, even Paul admits that he struggles with his sinful nature when he wrote to the Romans 7:14-25:

"We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

"So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!"

And remember, that when we act as we shouldn't, we are sinning against God, who once teaches to forgive a brother who had sinned against us up to "seventy times seven times" (Matthew 18:22).

As long as you are sincere and you don't start to take God's forgiveness for granted or start to abuse it as a permission to stop walking righteously, then "he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9)

Personally, I wish we could simply lose all our desires to sin and gain all the moment we accept Christ, but that isn't how the Christian life works. If we liken our coming to faith (or "justification") as a new birth, then I suppose the subsequent process of sanctification is like the newborn child's slow growth into maturity, where we'd repeatedly stumble and fall before we can stand upright.

God promises to be there in the steps we take, though, working in us both to "will and work for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13). Sometimes, we get frustrated by our lack of progress and start to feel that changing is impossible, but Jesus assures us that, ""What is impossible with man is possible with God." (Luke 18:27)

Perhaps it's also good to cry out to God and ask for his help when temptation comes and we feel overwhelmed by the desire to indulge in the flesh, because our self-produced efforts and will-power to truly come to God is not enough to reach Him. But He is enough to reach us.
 
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i know there is a bible verse hebrews 10:26 says if we keep sinning purposely we lose salvation or something

No, there is no such statement in Hebrews 10:26 about born-again believers.

so if i drink alcohol and do feel its wrong but want to quit but keep drinking will i lose my salvation because im going against conviction? or will the lord punish me

It is a very bad idea to willfully violate your God-given conscience. This is a sure way to corrupt and harden your conscience, making it useless to you.

Drinking alcohol is not the wisest thing to do, but it is drunkenness you have to guard against. Many times in Scripture, God forbids drunkenness. Of course, one never runs the risk of drunkenness if one does not drink alcohol.

God's First and Great Commandment isn't to discover where the boundaries of sin are so you can walk along them without straying across into sin, but to love Him with all of your being. (Matthew 22:36-38) When you are obeying this prime commandment, the one out of which all of your obedience to God is supposed to arise, you will be hyper-sensitive to anything that might even potentially hinder your fellowship with God, forsaking it carefully so that you might love and enjoy God as you were made to do. Is this what you're doing in regards to alcohol?

Hebrews 12:1-2
1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
2 looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.


1 Corinthians 10:31
31 So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.
 
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Drinking alcohol is not sinful, any more than eating food is sinful. Gluttony, the abuse of eating food, is sinful and self-destructive, and likewise drunkenness, the abuse of drinking alcohol, is sinful and self-destructive. Jesus Christ not only drank alcohol (as did everyone of that time and place), but used it in instituting the most holy sacrament of His Church.
 
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I was a big drinker. Even as a Christian. I tried and tried to give up, and eventually stopped altogether. Ironically, I haven’t missed it, but guess what? I have an issue with gluttony now! I try to fast, but by evening, I cave.
I always disdained fat people, thinking they were so weak. I was surrounded by people with eating disorders and used to think ‘get a grip, Just stop stuffing your face’!

Now I’m about 50 lbs overweight! I suppose i replaced drunkenness (and nicotine) with gluttony. I loath myself like this. Serves me right for judging fat people. :(
 
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I guess I would ask why you feel guilty about drinking alcohol? Jesus turned the water into wine, that is good enough for me. Drunkenness' is a different story, it will hurt you physically, mentally, and spiritually.
 
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I was a big drinker. Even as a Christian. I tried and tried to give up, and eventually stopped altogether. Ironically, I haven’t missed it, but guess what? I have an issue with gluttony now! I try to fast, but by evening, I cave.
I always disdained fat people, thinking they were so weak. I was surrounded by people with eating disorders and used to think ‘get a grip, Just stop stuffing your face’!

Now I’m about 50 lbs overweight! I suppose i replaced drunkenness (and nicotine) with gluttony. I loath myself like this. Serves me right for judging fat people. :(

Many times we remove one negative habit only to replace it with another. Believe me, gluttony is actually much more damaging to your health that light or moderate drinking alcohol.
 
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