About Sabbath

LoveGodsWord · May 4, 2021

tall73 said:
Eze 20:1 In the seventh year, in the fifth month, on the tenth day of the month, certain of the elders of Israel came to inquire of the LORD, and sat before me.
Eze 20:2 And the word of the LORD came to me:
Eze 20:3 “Son of man, speak to the elders of Israel, and say to them, Thus says the Lord GOD, Is it to inquire of me that you come? As I live, declares the Lord GOD, I will not be inquired of by you.
Eze 20:4 Will you judge them, son of man, will you judge them? Let them know the abominations of their fathers,
Eze 20:5 and say to them, Thus says the Lord GOD: On the day when I chose Israel, I swore to the offspring of the house of Jacob, making myself known to them in the land of Egypt; I swore to them, saying, I am the LORD your God.
Eze 20:6 On that day I swore to them that I would bring them out of the land of Egypt into a land that I had searched out for them, a land flowing with milk and honey, the most glorious of all lands.
Eze 20:7 And I said to them, ‘Cast away the detestable things your eyes feast on, every one of you, and do not defile yourselves with the idols of Egypt; I am the LORD your God.’
Eze 20:8 But they rebelled against me and were not willing to listen to me. None of them cast away the detestable things their eyes feasted on, nor did they forsake the idols of Egypt. “Then I said I would pour out my wrath upon them and spend my anger against them in the midst of the land of Egypt.
Eze 20:9 But I acted for the sake of my name, that it should not be profaned in the sight of the nations among whom they lived, in whose sight I made myself known to them in bringing them out of the land of Egypt.
Eze 20:10 So I led them out of the land of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness.
Eze 20:11 I gave them my statutes and made known to them my rules, by which, if a person does them, he shall live.
Eze 20:12 Moreover, I gave them my Sabbaths, as a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD who sanctifies them.
Eze 20:13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness. They did not walk in my statutes but rejected my rules, by which, if a person does them, he shall live; and my Sabbaths they greatly profaned. “Then I said I would pour out my wrath upon them in the wilderness, to make a full end of them.
Eze 20:14 But I acted for the sake of my name, that it should not be profaned in the sight of the nations, in whose sight I had brought them out.
Eze 20:15 Moreover, I swore to them in the wilderness that I would not bring them into the land that I had given them, a land flowing with milk and honey, the most glorious of all lands,
Eze 20:16 because they rejected my rules and did not walk in my statutes, and profaned my Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.
Eze 20:17 Nevertheless, my eye spared them, and I did not destroy them or make a full end of them in the wilderness.
Eze 20:18 “And I said to their children in the wilderness, ‘Do not walk in the statutes of your fathers, nor keep their rules, nor defile yourselves with their idols.
Eze 20:19 I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and be careful to obey my rules,
Eze 20:20 and keep my Sabbaths holy that they may be a sign between me and you, that you may know that I am the LORD your God.’

Note the reiteration of Exodus 31--the Sabbath was a sign with Israel.

He makes a distinction between the statutes by which a man lives, and the sign given to Israel of the sabbaths.

Eze 20:11 I gave them my statutes and made known to them my rules, by which, if a person does them, he shall live.
Eze 20:12 Moreover, I gave them my Sabbaths, as a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD who sanctifies them.

The sabbath is an appointed time, a sign with Israel, showing that God sanctifies them (Exodus 31), that He redeemed them from Egypt,(Deuteronomy 5), and that He is their creator (Exodus 20 and 31), with attendant sacrifices (Numbers 28).

And Colossians 2 makes it plain it was a shadow, and the reality is found in Christ.

There is nothing provided in this post in any scripture that says that God's 4th commandment Sabbath is a shadow of things to come. These are from the same scriptures I pointed to earlier showing that Gods' people in the wilderness from Hebrews were not keeping Gods' Sabbath rest because they did not believe and follow Gods' Word and God saying that he did not let them enter into His Sabbath rest from Hebrews 3:11-19; Hebrews 4:1-12. As shown earlier God’s Sabbath is indeed a sign to His people that we worship the only true God and creator of heaven and earth and it is this same God that saves His people from their sins because they choose through faith to believe and follow Gods’ Word.

Your mistake here however is in not understanding that God’s ISRAEL in the new covenant is now all those who believe and follow Gods’ Word. God’s ISRAEL according to the scriptures is no longer all those in the flesh (Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29) but all those who are now born in the Spirit (John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9) therefore Gods’ Sabbath continues to be an everlasting covenant *Exodus 31:16 to Gods’ ISRAEL who in the new covenant are now all those who believe and follow Gods’ Word.

God's 4th commandment as shown many times now according to the scriptures points backwards not forwards so it is impossible to be a shadow of anything. "Remember" (memorial of something that has already happened) creation Exodus 20:8-11 points to Genesis 2:1-3. There was no sin and no gospel when the Sabbath was made for mankind according to Jesus *Mark 2:17. This proves your claims that the Sabbath is a shadow law is in error dear friend as there was no law when God made the Sabbath for all mankind so the Sabbath cannot be a shadow law.

We do not enter into God's rest by breaking God's commandments. This is what Hebrews 3:11-19 and Hebrews 4:1-12 is warning us about.

Hope this is helpful

LoveGodsWord · May 4, 2021

tall73 said:
You mean like your assertion that God gave the sabbath to man as a commandment in Eden? Because it doesn't say it and it doesn't teach it. It does teach it is a sign with Israel. And it does first mention it being observed by people in Exodus 16 where it is given to Israel.

Jesus says it in Mark 2:27 And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath. There was no Moses, no Jew, no Israel and no sin, no law and no gospel given because mankind had not sinned (see Genesis 1:26-31 to Genesis 2:1-3). So it is impossible for Gods' Sabbath to be a shadow of anything as it points backwards to the finished work of creation not forwards to things to come (Colossians 2:17).

tall73 · May 4, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
There is nothing in this post that says that God's 4th commandment Sabbath is a shadow of things to come.As shown earlier God’s Sabbath is indeed a sign to His people

There is something there that distinguishes between the statutes that a man will live by and the Sabbath which was a sign.

Your mistake here however is in not understanding that God’s ISRAEL in the new covenant is now all those who believe and follow Gods’ Word. God’s ISRAEL according to the scriptures is no longer all those in the flesh (Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29) but all those who are now born in the Spirit (John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9) therefore Gods’ Sabbath continues to be an everlasting covenant *Exodus 31:16 to Gods’ ISRAEL who in the new covenant are now all those who believe and follow Gods’ Word.

Your mistake is ignoring Acts 15 again where gentiles were not required to keep ceremonial laws given to Israel.

God's 4th commandment as shown many times now according to the scriptures points backwards not forwards so it is impossible to be a shadow of anything.

Incorrect. It points backwards to creation, and to release from Egypt (redemption), and to the future sanctification of Israel, which is not only future, but is only through Christ. But more than that it is a sign in the covenant given to Israel in addition to the statutes by which one will live.

The gentiles were not required to keep ceremonial aspects. The entire first covenant was leading to Christ.

And as we saw in Hebrews, it also recalls God's rest from the foundation of the earth that we enter into when we rest from our labors.

"Remember" (memorial of something that has already happened) creation Exodus 20:8-11 points to Genesis 2:1-3.

Memorial of multiple things, and sign given to them, as part of the covenant with sacrifices, as an appointed time.

And "remember" means to "do" because it is an appointed time.

LoveGodsWord · May 4, 2021

tall73 said:
There is something there that distinguishes between the statutes that a man will live by and the Sabbath which was a sign.

Your mistake is ignoring Acts 15 again where gentiles were not required to keep ceremonial laws given to Israel.

Incorrect. It points backwards to creation, and to release from Egypt (redemption), and to the future sanctification of Israel, which is not only future, but is only through Christ. But more than that it is a sign in the covenant given to Israel in addition to the statutes by which one will live.

The gentiles were not required to keep ceremonial aspects. The entire first covenant was leading to Christ.

And as we saw in Hebrews, it also recalls God's rest from the foundation of the earth that we enter into when we rest from our labors.

Memorial of multiple things, and sign given to them, as part of the covenant with sacrifices, as an appointed time.

And "remember" means to "do" because it is an appointed time.

Edit to post 601 that I was doing as you posted if you wish to check or re-read it.

tall73 · May 4, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
There was no sin and no gospel when the Sabbath was made for mankind according to Jesus *Mark 2:17.

Yes, man was not made for the Sabbath. But sabbath was made for man. And Exodus 31 and Ezekiel 20 tell us which men it was made for:

Exo 31:13 “You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you.
Exo 31:14 You shall keep the Sabbath, because it is holy for you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death. Whoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Exo 31:15 Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.
Exo 31:16 Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever.
Exo 31:17 It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’”
Exo 31:18 And he gave to Moses, when he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

And I spelled out why Jesus used the term "man" in Mark 2 earlier in the thread.

Mar 2:27 And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
Mar 2:28 So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

man, man, Son of Man,

Sabbath, Sabbath, Lord of the Sabbath.

He is making a word play to highlight who He is. He is the Son of Man, and the Lord of the Sabbath.

He was reminding the Jewish people, who knew the Scriptures, that they were not going to be the ones judging Him on the Sabbath, as they were attempting to do, but He would be judging them on all things, because He is the Son of Man, and the Lord of the Sabbath.

LoveGodsWord · May 4, 2021

tall73 said:
There is something there that distinguishes between the statutes that a man will live by and the Sabbath which was a sign.

No, as posted earlier God’s ISRAEL in the new covenant is now all those who believe and follow Gods’ Word. God’s ISRAEL according to the scriptures is no longer all those in the flesh (Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29) but all those who are now born in the Spirit (John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9) therefore Gods’ Sabbath continues to be an everlasting covenant *Exodus 31:16 to Gods’ ISRAEL who in the new covenant are now all those who believe and follow Gods’ Word. Therefore a Sabbath rest remains for the people of God. *Hebrews 4:9.

God's 4th commandment therefore also continues in God's ISRAEL in the new covenant who are born of the Spirit and not of the flesh as it continues to be a sign *Ezekiel 20:12; 20; Ezekiel 24:24 to all those who believe and follow Gods' Word * and is an everlasting covenant to God's people *Exodus 31:16. God's new covenant promise is to Gods' ISRAEL born of the Spirit *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. Gentile believers are now grafted in and Jewish unbelievers are now cut out through unbelief (Romans 11:13-27).

If we are not a part of God's true ISRAEL then we have no part in Gods' new covenant promise which is only to God's true ISRAEL defined in the new covenant as all those who now believe and follow Gods' Word. There is now no more Jew and Gentile believers as we are all now one in Christ *Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:-11-13.

LoveGodsWord · May 4, 2021

tall73 said:
Your mistake is ignoring Acts 15 again where gentiles were not required to keep ceremonial laws given to Israel.

No. An interpretation of Act of the Apostles 15 that Gods' 10 commandments are no longer a requirement for Christian living is not biblical and has Paul contradicting Paul when he says after the council of Jerusalem to the Corinthian believers in 1 Corinthians 7:19 [19], Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God which is in direct contradiction to the interpretation of many that claim that Acts of the Apostles 15 is talking about God's 10 commandments.

As shown earlier the context of Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2 was never are Gods' 10 commandments a requirement for Christian living for new gentile believers but was over the question is "circumcision" from the law of Moses a requirement for salvation (Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2 and this was the question they went to Jerusalem over *Acts of the Apostles 15:2.

If you believe otherwise you place yourself in opposition to pretty much the rest of the new testament scriptures and in contradiction to Paul who latter says after the council "Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God."

LoveGodsWord · May 4, 2021

tall73 said:
Incorrect. It points backwards to creation, and to release from Egypt (redemption), and to the future sanctification of Israel, which is not only future, but is only through Christ. But more than that it is a sign in the covenant given to Israel in addition to the statutes by which one will live. The gentiles were not required to keep ceremonial aspects. The entire first covenant was leading to Christ. And as we saw in Hebrews, it also recalls God's rest from the foundation of the earth that we enter into when we rest from our labors.

As already posted no. According to Jesus the Sabbath was made for all mankind at creation *Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3. There was no Moses, no Jew, no Israel and no sin, no law and no gospel given because mankind had not sinned (see Genesis 1:26-31 to Genesis 2:1-3). So it is impossible for Gods' Sabbath to be a shadow of anything as it points backwards to the finished work of creation not forwards to things to come (Colossians 2:17). Even Gods’ 4th commandment *Exodus 20:8-11 dear friend, points backwards in remembrance of creation (Genesis 2:1-3) and not forwards to things to come.

LoveGodsWord · May 4, 2021

tall73 said:
Yes, man was not made for the Sabbath. But sabbath was made for man. And Exodus 31 and Ezekiel 20 tell us which men it was made for:

Exo 31:13 “You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you.

Exo 31:14 You shall keep the Sabbath, because it is holy for you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death. Whoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Exo 31:15 Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.

Exo 31:16 Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever.

Exo 31:17 It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’”

Exo 31:18 And he gave to Moses, when he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

And I spelled out why Jesus used the term "man" in Mark 2 earlier in the thread.

Mar 2:27 And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

Mar 2:28 So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

man, man, Son of Man,

Sabbath, Sabbath, Lord of the Sabbath.

He is making a word play to highlight who He is. He is the Son of Man, and the Lord of the Sabbath.

He was reminding the Jewish people, who knew the Scriptures, that they were not going to be the ones judging Him on the Sabbath, as they were attempting to do, but He would be judging them on all things, because He is the Son of Man, and the Lord of the Sabbath.

No. According to the scriptures Jesus says that the “Sabbath was made for man” *Mark 2:27. They are Gods’ Words not my words. According to God’s Words (not my words) the Sabbath was made for mankind on the “seventh day” of the creation week *Genesis 2:1-3.

There is no hand waiving in word plays to make Gods’ Word say what it does not say as ignoring Gods’ Word according to the scriptures does not make it disappear. According to the scriptures the very words of God we accept or reject become our judge on judgement day according to Jesus in John 12:47-48 so to say Gods’ Word does not say what it says and that Jesus was just playing with words to make what he says of none effect is indeed ignoring what Gods’ Word says.

You seem to be trying to make arguments now that Gods’ ISRAEL is physical ISRAEL born of the flesh and not of the Spirit that the new covenant teaches are indeed God’s ISRAEL. Have you changed your mind now? You did agree with me on other threads that Gods’ true ISRAEL are all those who now believe and follow God’s Word according to the new covenant scriptures.

God’s ISRAEL in the new covenant scriptures are now all those who believe and follow Gods’ Word. God’s ISRAEL according to the scriptures is no longer all those in the flesh (Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29) but all those who are now born in the Spirit (John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9) therefore Gods’ Sabbath continues to be an everlasting covenant *Exodus 31:16 to Gods’ ISRAEL and a sign to all those who believe and follow God’s Word that God is the God of our salvation and we keep all the commandments of God (not some of them). We who believe enter this rest *Hebrews 4:1-5.

Therefore, a Sabbath rest remains for the people of God *Hebrews 4:9. We do not enter into Gods’ rest *Hebrews 4:3-4 by breaking God’s commandments like many are teaching. We enter into Gods’ rest by believing and following what Gods’ Word says *Hebrews 4:1-3. Those who break God’s commandment do not enter into Gods’ rest according to Hebrews 3:17-19 because they break God’s commandments and do not believe and follow God’s Word.

Hope this is helpful.

tall73 · May 4, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
No. According to the scriptures Jesus says that the “Sabbath was made for man” *Mark 2:27.

Yes, Israelites are people. And He gave it to them as a sign, shown in Exodus 31.

They are Gods’ Words not my words. According to God’s Words (not my words) the Sabbath was made for mankind on the “seventh day” of the creation week *Genesis 2:1-3.

Actually you don't find any such words referring to a commandment to man in Genesis 2, or any reference to people keeping it until Ex. 16.

But we are repeating ourselves again.

There is no hand waiving in word plays to make Gods’ Word say what it does not say as ignoring Gods’ Word according to the scriptures does not make it disappear.

There is no handwaiving needed. He stated who He gave the Sabbath to as a sign clear as day in multiple places, it was a sign with Israel.

And you see that is who is commanded to do it in Ex. 16.

According to the scriptures the very words of God we accept or reject become our judge on judgement day according to Jesus in John 12:47-48 so to say Gods’ Word does not say what it says and that Jesus was just playing with words to make what he says of none effect is indeed ignoring what Gods’ Word says.

He was not playing with words. He said exactly what He said for a reason. And they got the reason. He is the Son of Man. And He is Lord of the Sabbath.

You seem to be trying to make arguments now that Gods’ ISRAEL is physical ISRAEL born of the flesh and not of the Spirit that the new covenant teaches are indeed God’s ISRAEL. Have you changed your mind now? You did agree with me on other threads that Gods’ true ISRAEL are all those who now believe and follow God’s Word according to the new covenant scriptures.

We have covered it many times, and you just ignore what it says about the law in Acts 15 and 21.

Now I plan on spending some time in the investigative judgment thread. We are repeating again.

But if Bob says something interesting on the Isiah passage, or if someone say something else new, then I might return.

LoveGodsWord · May 5, 2021

tall73 said:
Yes, Israelites are people. And He gave it to them as a sign, shown in Exodus 31. Actually you don't find any such words referring to a commandment to man in Genesis 2, or any reference to people keeping it until Ex. 16.
But we are repeating ourselves again. There is no handwaiving needed. He stated who He gave the Sabbath to as a sign clear as day in multiple places, it was a sign with Israel.
And you see that is who is commanded to do it in Ex. 16. He was not playing with words. He said exactly what He said for a reason. And they got the reason. He is the Son of Man. And He is Lord of the Sabbath. We have covered it many times, and you just ignore what it says about the law in Acts 15 and 21. Now I plan on spending some time in the investigative judgment thread. We are repeating again. But if Bob says something interesting on the Isiah passage, or if someone say something else new, then I might return.

This does not address any of the scriptures shared with you that disagree with you but yes most of this is indeed repetition already addressed throughout this thread that shows why your position is not a biblical one. We should in summary heed the warnings given of Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 that state no one who knowingly chooses not to believe and follow Gods' Word and willfully continues breaking Gods' commandments enters into God's rest but receive God's judgements according to the scriptures *Hebrews 10:26-31. Let's then pray we do not harden our hearts to hearing and following Gods' Word as the warnings of Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 teach and believe the words of Paul in 1 Corinthians 7:19 when he says circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the commandments of God. You position is teaching the opposite of these warnings given in the scriptures.

Something we should consider praying about.

HIM · May 6, 2021

So fear, lest the promise of His Rest, the partaking of Christ any of us be accounted deficient, fall short of it. For unto us the Gospel was preached, the partaking of Christ, His Rest.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem (be accounted) to come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

And we who have believed do enter into His rest, the Gospel, the partaking of Christ.

Shall they enter in my Rest, the partaking of Christ, the Gospel ALTHOUGH THE WORKS FOR THIS REST WERE FINISHED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD? For God spake in a certain place, Mt. Sinai of the Seventh Day on this wise, And God did rest, cease the Seventh Day from ALL His works. Including the works for our salvation through the Lamb slain from the foundation of the World. (Rev 13:8)

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

Heb 4:5 And in this again, If they shall enter into my rest.

And this again HE SAYS in verse 5. IN THIS AGAIN WHAT? Context and grammar bring us back to verse 4. So, IN this Again He speaks.

tall73 said:
Here I disagree.

3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: “So I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ” although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

It appears to refer back to verse 3. He lays out that we who believe enter His rest. And he notes that God's works were finished since the foundation of the world--He has been resting from His creative work since then.

In verse 4 he gives the Scriptural support of God's rest being from the foundation of the world. After reviewing both arguments I think @LoveGodsWord is correct,

No. Verse 3 Says we do enter as you see. Then in the next clause says " AS HE SAID if they shall enter." This statement from God clarifies that it is and was possible to enter into said rest which verse two says is the Gospel. With this possibility of entering being stated he then starts the next clause with the word ALTHOUGH.

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

BobRyan · May 6, 2021

tall73 said:
Yes, man was not made for the Sabbath. But sabbath was made for man. And Exodus 31 and Ezekiel 20 tell us which men it was made for:

"Man ((anthrōpos)) shall not live by bread alone" Matt 4, Deut 8:3 -- which "man"? --- "not just Jews", rather "mankind"

In the new Earth - for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to bow down" Is 66:23 --- which mankind? "just Jews?" - rather all mankind.

The "Sabbath was made for mankind (anthrōpos) not MANKIND MADE for the Sabbath" speaking to the "making" of BOTH the Sabbath AND the making of MANKIND. -- which "mankind?" - there is only one it is --- mankind.

Heb 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto man ((anthrōpos) once to die, but after this the judgment" which "man"? -- "not just Jews", rather "mankind"

No wonder then that we have gentiles in Sabbath worship services "Sabbath after Sabbath" in Acts 13, Acts 17, Acts 18:4 - "Every Sabbath"

No wonder gentiles are specifically singles out for Sabbath keeping in Is 56:6-8

No wonder this is such a simple and obvious Bible detail that Bible scholars on BOTH sides of the Sabbath debate in almost all major denominations (if not ALL) - agree with SDAS and other Bible Sabbath keeping denominations on this easy obvious Bible detail. (as first pointed out in post #11 here on page 1 of this thread) - and also in the case of the RCC in post #23 on page 2 of this thread.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

(Interesting that what those on that list consider to be easy and obvious Bible detail -- is so often the very detail circled back to on this thread) - I find that "curious".

BobRyan · May 6, 2021

tall73 said: ↑
tall73: Why didn't you put the Levites and the death and the sinners into John's new heavens and new earth

Nor did he put the Sabbath and new moon in, but you put it in.

I point out - that I did not put anything in - Isaiah and John put those details in.

tall73 said:
Agreed you did not write it. And I am noting, as are you, that some things are not in John and Peter's accounts that are in Isaiah's account.

Just as Paul says in Gal 3:8 that "the Gospel was preached to Abraham" even though that phrase is not found in the book of Genesis. How nice then that you and I can be a "Bible reader" and not just a "one sentence reader"

tall73 said:
But then you need to explain why Isaiah did include them,

Why did Isaiah inform the reader that in the New Earth all mankind would come before God to worship from "Sabbath to Sabbath"?

Answer: "All scripture is given by inspiration from God" 2 Tim 3:16 -- God put it in there because it is fact.

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tall73 said:
Why did he include sinners, death, etc. in 66 as well?

I notice that you keep circling back to the Is 14 and Ezek 28 theme -- where details specific to Israel in the "King of Tyre" Is 14 and "the King of Babylon" are included with "Lucifer" and "covering Cherub" (and Matt 24 with Christ's statements on future event include that same sort of mix)

Is 66:23 "All mankind" is not "specific to just Israel" - obviously

I like to have the simple easy details in focus to avoid the fog of "I can't see".

tall73 · May 6, 2021

HIM said:
Heb 4:5 And in this again, If they shall enter into my rest.

And this again HE SAYS in verse 5. IN THIS AGAIN WHAT? Context and grammar bring us back to verse 4. So, IN this Again He speaks.No. Verse 3 Says we do enter as you see. Then in the next clause says " AS HE SAID if they shall enter." This statement from God clarifies that it is and was possible to enter into said rest which verse two says is the Gospel. With this possibility of entering being stated he then starts the next clause with the word ALTHOUGH.

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, .

This place again......If they shall enter into my rest

He is quoting from Psalm 95 again, hence, this place in the Scripture again. Hence, taking us back to verse 3, not 4.

But verse 4 is important because it points out God has been resting since the completion of His creative works. We will rest from all our labors in the true promised land of God, if we hold the same confidence to the end.

tall73 · May 6, 2021

BobRyan said:
In the new Earth - for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to bow down" Is 66:23 --- which mankind? "just Jews?" - rather all mankind.

Bob, if it is so clear then why are you only quoting part of the verse?

Isa 66:22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make shall remain before me, says the LORD, so shall your offspring and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the LORD.

Are you, and the Adventist church assembling on the new moon?

Are the Catholic Church, and the Eastern Orthodox Church, and followers of Moody, and adherents to the Westminster Confession of Faith, and adherents to the Baptist Confessions of Faith, followers of Sproul, readers of Matthew Henry, followers of Thomas Watson assembling on the new moon? Are these groups even assembling on the Sabbath? The Eastern Orthodox, and sometimes Catholics assemble on the Sabbath. But they don't see it as a sabbath keeping.

GreekOrthodox · May 6, 2021

tall73 said:
The Eastern Orthodox, and sometimes Catholics assemble on the Sabbath. But they don't see it as a sabbath keeping.

We celebrate the Eighth day as sung in the Paschal Matins service as celebrated on May 2 this year.

Today is the day of Resurrection! O nations, let us shine forth; for the Pascha is the Pascha of the Lord, in that Christ did make us pass from death to life, and from earth to heaven, who now sing the song of victory and triumph.

Today a sacred Pascha has been revealed to us;
a Pascha new and holy, a Pascha mystical,
a Pascha all-venerable, a Pascha, the Redeemer Christ himself;
a Pascha that is blameless, a Pascha that is great,
a Pascha of believers, a Pascha that has opened for us the gates of Paradise,
a Pascha that sanctifies believers all.

Not David · May 6, 2021

tall73 said:
Bob, if it is so clear then why are you only quoting part of the verse?

Isa 66:22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make shall remain before me, says the LORD, so shall your offspring and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the LORD.

Are you, and the Adventist church assembling on the new moon?

Are the Catholic Church, and the Eastern Orthodox Church, and followers of Moody, and adherents to the Westminster Confession of Faith, and adherents to the Baptist Confessions of Faith, followers of Sproul, readers of Matthew Henry, followers of Thomas Watson assembling on the new moon? Are these groups even assembling on the Sabbath? The Eastern Orthodox, and sometimes Catholics assemble on the Sabbath. But they don't see it as a sabbath keeping.

Orthodox keep the Sabbath, that's why they technically don't fast that day or kneel while praying

tall73 · May 6, 2021

Not David said:
Orthodox keep the Sabbath, that's why they technically don't fast that day or kneel while praying

Neither of those relate to keeping it as it was in the law. According to this from the Orthodox Church in America they do not indicate it needs to be kept as it was in the law.

Sabbath - Questions & Answers

The Saturday Sabbath is appropriate to the Old Testament.

In the New Testament—which celebrates the resurrection of Christ on the first day of the week—the central experience of our faith as Christians is commemorated every Sunday of the year. We find the fulfillment tothat which was revealed in the Old Testament.

We are under no more obligation to follow the Saturday Sabbath than we are to follow Old Testament dietary restrictions—upon which today’s Kosher laws are derived—or to practice circumcision as a sign of our covenant with God.

Orthodox Worship - Liturgy & Worship - Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America

Saturday (Sabbath) was regarded as the memorial of the creation narrative: "so God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all His work which he had done in creation" (Gen. 2: 3). In the liturgical tradition of the Church Saturday continues to be a festival. It recounts the creative act of God, who brought all things into being out of nothing and reminds us of the opportunity we have to share in God's perpetual Sabbath, i.e., His creative life. Hence, the Church never fasts on a Saturday, except on the one Great and Holy Sabbath, when the Church annually commemorates the burial of God in the flesh.

And yet I have seen some other Orthodox who do indicate they keep the Sabbath.

As to the variety of views in the early centuries of the church there is a thread ongoing about the issue:

How common was the observance of the Jewish Sabbath among early Church Christians?

LoveGodsWord · May 6, 2021

If one takes the scriptures alone there is no such thing as a Jewish Sabbath because Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for all mankind and he is the Lord and creator of the Sabbath according to Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 12:8; John 1:1-4; 14.

According to the scriptures the Sabbath was made on the "seventh day" of the creation week were God blessed the "seventh day" and made the "seventh day" a holy day of rest according to Genesis 2:1-3. There was no Jew, no Israel, no Moses, no sin and no implementation for Gods' plan of salvation because man was sinless and in perfect harmony with God when he made the Sabbath for mankind.

According to the scriptures God has always had a people that have kept His laws including the Sabbath all through time down to Jesus and the Apostles to after the death of Jesus and the Apostles who kept the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Corinthians 11:1; Ephesians 5:1-21; Peter 2:20-22; Acts of the Apostles 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelation 1:10) which has continued to be kept unbroken to this very present day.

Talking about exact numbers. Well according to the Christian world today only a small proportion keep the Sabbath of God's 4th commandment. Though the scriptures clearly state that only a remnant will be saved so the whole minority or majority argument is not relevant in my view. I would be of the belief though that the majority of the early Church (first to the third century) kept the Sabbath and it was a gradual decline over time to what we see today.

May God bless us as we seek Him through his Word.

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