AMAZING FUN FACTS ON GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT AND SUNDAY WORSHIP!

HIM · Apr 26, 2021

RBPerry said:
Then prove to me that Mathew, Mark, Luck, and John, Acts, James, and the remainder were accurate. They are second hand testimonies other than James. To claim they aren't authentic is to say that non of the New Testament can be verified, that's just nuts.

Not my job

Oh, so Satan did it. Jesus said a house divided will not stand. What does that mean to you?
If Satan had his hand in anything it was the great awakening that split up the protestant movement.

You said the Apostles wrote the writings found. In the post you responded to it gave two other reason that could be considered also.

Oh, God orchestrated the dark ages where people were burnt at the stake, beheaded, and tortured by the Catholic church, your saying God condoned that.

Where was that said in the post you responded to?

It is obvious you haven't studied church history, and some of the insane things that were done by groups like the knights to Templar.

You would be surprised at what I have studied.

Don't blame God for the insanity of man.

Never have

As for the scrolls, again your lack of knowledge of what is contained in them is obvious.
We have nothing more to discuss.

And yet I have read them, a lot of it anyway. But you are right we have nothing further to discuss, but that is your choice.

Bob S · Apr 26, 2021

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
I think you mean 40 years

I think you are correct. I have my wet noodle ready to give myself ten lashes. Thanks for the correction.

Bob S · Apr 26, 2021

HIM said:
The New Covenant is His Commandments in our hearts and minds, His Word in our hearts and mouths through Christ through His Spirit. Strange you would ask such.

Where does it tell us what commandments are written in our hearts Him? The question I asked was where in scripture does it tell Gentiles we are under the old covenant for the Israelites only Sabbath requirements? How about giving us some scripture instead of beating around the bush. If you are not able then it is time you reconsider your own belief system and not trying to change mine to something that is not scriptural.

SabbathBlessings · Apr 26, 2021

Bob S said:
Where does it tell us what commandments are written in our hearts Him? The question I asked was where in scripture does it tell Gentiles we are under the old covenant for the Israelites only Sabbath requirements? How about giving us some scripture instead of beating around the bush. If you are not able then it is time you reconsider your own belief system and not trying to change mine to something that is not scriptural.

Do you really think it would not include the Commandments that God personally wrote with His own hand and was stored in the most holy of holy in the temple?

Studyman · Apr 26, 2021

Bob S said:
Where does it tell us what commandments are written in our hearts Him? The question I asked was where in scripture does it tell Gentiles we are under the old covenant for the Israelites only Sabbath requirements? How about giving us some scripture instead of beating around the bush. If you are not able then it is time you reconsider your own belief system and not trying to change mine to something that is not scriptural.

It is written in your Bible, "Moses gave the Law", but Jesus gave forgiveness for transgressing the Law, and Jesus also gave Truth.

If a man wants to know what Sin is, this person would listen to Moses, as Jesus commanded His Disciples, and those gathered with them. (Matt. 23) "MANY" don't believe Jesus Word's are Truth. So they don't follow His instructions, nor do they believe the Word's of the Prophets His Spirit was on. If a person wants to know where Atonement for Sin is found, they would come to the New High Priest, the Lord's Christ. But if a man comes to Jesus, but doesn't believe His Words, what does HE say about those "many"?

You keep making claims about God New Covenant which is untrue. First, there is nothing about God's Definition of Sin being dissolved in God's definition of HIS OWN New Covenant, and the New Covenant was given to the same people the Old Covenant that Changed was given to.

Also, God's Law has already been given, BS. Jesus said to enter life, we should obey that Law. There is no Jew or Gentile in Christ, as HE inspired God's faithful Servant to write for us. "One Law, for the Home born and for the Stranger".

It seems important for Salvation to Believe on the Christ Jesus.

Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Perhaps it wasn't Jesus who is deceived, or confused. Perhaps it is you who doesn't really believe Him.

AdamjEdgar · May 5, 2021

I have come in on this topic very late...and honestly, i dont think i could read 20 odd pages of comments in order to ensure i dont repeat something someone else has said...so correct me if the following does.

The very last book in the Bible Canon (whether or not it was written last isnt relevant to be honest, the book clearly describes end times...

Revelation 12 17And the dragon was enraged at the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

and again in Revelation 13 7Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints

then verse 8 it clearly identifies those who are NOT saints and will be destroyed..."all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life

the interesting point about the above reference...written from the foundation of the world. God does not have 2 standards...one for those in the old testament, and another for us in end times. We are all filthy rags and our sins are punishable by death. What is the ETERNAL standard by which we are judged? The 10 commandments!

again back to to charge laid before those who are to be saved...Revelation 13: 10 "Here is a call for the perseverance and faith of the saints."

Revelation 14 12 "Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus."

Honestly, in the very last book of the bible describing significantly important end times, how many times does God, inspiring John to write, have to spell it out to people that we are to continue to keep his commandments?

Actually, i am going to simplify it down to this...

Those who wish to be considered one of the saints at the end of time, according to the book of Revelation (which is a reflection of Genesis actually) should keep the commandments (that includes the 4th).

I also challenge you to try something else, why not put God to the test...go out into society and set about breaking the 10 commandments. If you arent
1. soon divorced
2. in goal/jail within a few days
3. largely friendless

As far as i can determine, all of the 10 commandments are followed in society today irrspective of this debate about the new covenant. Actually the interesting thing about the new covenant...

the 10 commandments are catalogued into 2 sections

love God
Love man

now what was it that Jesus said, Mark 12 “This is the most important: ‘Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One. 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’g 31The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’h No other commandment is greater than these.”

Finally Matthew 5: 17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven

Have either Heaven or the Earth passed away yet? I seem to be standing on something rather solid, the sun is still shining, i can see the moon and stars at night (therefore the heavens appear to still be here), has the story been completed yet or are we still waiting for the coming of Christ and of course the finale, the final judgement...hmmm?

RBPerry · May 5, 2021

Adam, might want to read the twenty pages, might learn something.

LoveGodsWord · May 5, 2021

AdamjEdgar said:
I have come in on this topic very late...and honestly, i dont think i could read 20 odd pages of comments in order to ensure i dont repeat something someone else has said...so correct me if the following does.

The very last book in the Bible Canon (whether or not it was written last isnt relevant to be honest, the book clearly describes end times...

Revelation 12 17And the dragon was enraged at the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

and again in Revelation 13 7Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints

then verse 8 it clearly identifies those who are NOT saints and will be destroyed..."all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life

the interesting point about the above reference...written from the foundation of the world. God does not have 2 standards...one for those in the old testament, and another for us in end times. We are all filthy rags and our sins are punishable by death. What is the ETERNAL standard by which we are judged? The 10 commandments!

again back to to charge laid before those who are to be saved...Revelation 13: 10 "Here is a call for the perseverance and faith of the saints."

Revelation 14 12 "Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus."

Honestly, in the very last book of the bible describing significantly important end times, how many times does God, inspiring John to write, have to spell it out to people that we are to continue to keep his commandments?

Actually, i am going to simplify it down to this...

Those who wish to be considered one of the saints at the end of time, according to the book of Revelation (which is a reflection of Genesis actually) should keep the commandments (that includes the 4th).

I also challenge you to try something else, why not put God to the test...go out into society and set about breaking the 10 commandments. If you arent
1. soon divorced
2. in goal/jail within a few days
3. largely friendless

As far as i can determine, all of the 10 commandments are followed in society today irrspective of this debate about the new covenant. Actually the interesting thing about the new covenant...

the 10 commandments are catalogued into 2 sections

love God
Love man

now what was it that Jesus said, Mark 12 “This is the most important: ‘Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One. 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’g 31The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’h No other commandment is greater than these.”

Finally Matthew 5: 17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven

Have either Heaven or the Earth passed away yet? I seem to be standing on something rather solid, the sun is still shining, i can see the moon and stars at night (therefore the heavens appear to still be here), has the story been completed yet or are we still waiting for the coming of Christ and of course the finale, the final judgement...hmmm?

Hi Adam, not sure if I have said hello but welcome to CF :wave:

Hope you enjoy your time here and make lots of friends.

God bless

Bob S · May 6, 2021

AdamjEdgar said:
I have come in on this topic very late...and honestly, i dont think i could read 20 odd pages of comments in order to ensure i dont repeat something someone else has said...so correct me if the following does.

The very last book in the Bible Canon (whether or not it was written last isnt relevant to be honest, the book clearly describes end times...

Revelation 12 17And the dragon was enraged at the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

and again in Revelation 13 7Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints

then verse 8 it clearly identifies those who are NOT saints and will be destroyed..."all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life

the interesting point about the above reference...written from the foundation of the world. God does not have 2 standards...one for those in the old testament, and another for us in end times. We are all filthy rags and our sins are punishable by death. What is the ETERNAL standard by which we are judged? The 10 commandments!

again back to to charge laid before those who are to be saved...Revelation 13: 10 "Here is a call for the perseverance and faith of the saints."

Revelation 14 12 "Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus."

Honestly, in the very last book of the bible describing significantly important end times, how many times does God, inspiring John to write, have to spell it out to people that we are to continue to keep his commandments?

Actually, i am going to simplify it down to this...

Those who wish to be considered one of the saints at the end of time, according to the book of Revelation (which is a reflection of Genesis actually) should keep the commandments (that includes the 4th).

I also challenge you to try something else, why not put God to the test...go out into society and set about breaking the 10 commandments. If you arent
1. soon divorced
2. in goal/jail within a few days
3. largely friendless

As far as i can determine, all of the 10 commandments are followed in society today irrspective of this debate about the new covenant. Actually the interesting thing about the new covenant...

the 10 commandments are catalogued into 2 sections

love God
Love man

now what was it that Jesus said, Mark 12 “This is the most important: ‘Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One. 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’g 31The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’h No other commandment is greater than these.”

Hi Adam, welcome to the forum.

Your quoting of Rev 12 and 14 "who keep the commandments of God" leaves me wondering how you have come to the conclusion, like all SDAs, that the writer was referring to the 10 commandments? I ask you, like I have asked SDAs before, is what God wrote with His finger any more important or precious than what came out of His mouth? As you wrote from Matt 12 to who??? yes the Israelites: The most important commands of all the Old Testament God spoke to Moses and Moses wrote them in the Book of the Covenant. Those spoken commands to the Israelites were love to God and love to our fellow man. Please don't try to convince me that the 10 commandments were all about love. They were not, they were about duty. There is nothing about love in any of the 10. Israelites may have kept them out of their love to God. And remember God only gave all of those commands to His chosen people, the Israelites. Gentiles were never asked to keep the laws given only to Israel. Gentiles were under the Noahide laws according to the Jews. When the covenant given to Israel at Mt Sinai ended at Jesus death on the Cross and the new covenant was ratified with Jesus own blood it not only was for Israel, it includes every soul on Earth.

Now that you have those facts, please tell us where in the new covenant does it require any man to observe the Sabbath that was given only to Israel.

Now, before you tell me I am lawless because I am not under the old covenant laws I refer you to Jesus words in Jn15:9-14 9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

Those verses tell me that Jesus, who lived under old covenant laws was referring to keeping those laws. Jesus asks all mankind to keep HIS commands not the ones He kept no the "new" command to love each other as I have loved you. Then Jesus adds to the meaning of love in verse 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. Might I remind you that there is nothing like that command in the Old Testament. You can further be convinced by reading 1JN 3: 19-24. 19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Now you should be able to understand why I and many like me do not fall for false premise that we have to observe the Israelite only Sabbath that ended at Calvery.

Bob S · May 6, 2021

AdamjEdgar said:
Finally Matthew 5: 17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven

Have either Heaven or the Earth passed away yet? I seem to be standing on something rather solid, the sun is still shining, i can see the moon and stars at night (therefore the heavens appear to still be here), has the story been completed yet or are we still waiting for the coming of Christ and of course the finale, the final judgement...hmmm?

Your take on Matt 17-19 is a little less that fascinating. Not even one stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. WOW! That has to mean Jesus was telling the Jews, not the Gentiles, that all of the old covenant Laws, 613 of them were still in effect. But you are taking Jesus' statement as being to you personally when He was only addressing the Jews. See the conundrum there? First of all, Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets and later said that ALL the Law would remain until He accomplished this fulfilling. Now, I ask you, does God do anything halfheartedly? Did He fail to do what He came to do? You must not believe he kept His word because you are telling us we are under the law, 10 commandment laws. Why do you think that somehow all those ceremonial laws ended? Remember not one jot... could pass from the Law until.... Now all you Sabbath believers have a big conundrum there now, don't you? First of all, Jesus was not speaking to Gentiles, they were never under the old covenant laws. Secondly, we know that Jesus did bring to an end all of the laws of the old covenant as He promised.

Thank you, Jesus, for fulfilling the old covenant requirements and then giving the new and better covenant to all mankind that we too may be part of your plan of salvation.

P. S. Are you aware that your prophet made some statements that if we don't "keep" the Sabbath we will lose our eternal inheritance? Do you live up to the demands of Sabbath keeping?

SabbathBlessings · May 6, 2021

AdamjEdgar said:
I have come in on this topic very late...and honestly, i dont think i could read 20 odd pages of comments in order to ensure i dont repeat something someone else has said...so correct me if the following does.

The very last book in the Bible Canon (whether or not it was written last isnt relevant to be honest, the book clearly describes end times...

Revelation 12 17And the dragon was enraged at the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

and again in Revelation 13 7Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints

then verse 8 it clearly identifies those who are NOT saints and will be destroyed..."all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life

the interesting point about the above reference...written from the foundation of the world. God does not have 2 standards...one for those in the old testament, and another for us in end times. We are all filthy rags and our sins are punishable by death. What is the ETERNAL standard by which we are judged? The 10 commandments!

again back to to charge laid before those who are to be saved...Revelation 13: 10 "Here is a call for the perseverance and faith of the saints."

Revelation 14 12 "Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus."

Honestly, in the very last book of the bible describing significantly important end times, how many times does God, inspiring John to write, have to spell it out to people that we are to continue to keep his commandments?

Actually, i am going to simplify it down to this...

Those who wish to be considered one of the saints at the end of time, according to the book of Revelation (which is a reflection of Genesis actually) should keep the commandments (that includes the 4th).

I also challenge you to try something else, why not put God to the test...go out into society and set about breaking the 10 commandments. If you arent
1. soon divorced
2. in goal/jail within a few days
3. largely friendless

As far as i can determine, all of the 10 commandments are followed in society today irrspective of this debate about the new covenant. Actually the interesting thing about the new covenant...

the 10 commandments are catalogued into 2 sections

love God
Love man

now what was it that Jesus said, Mark 12 “This is the most important: ‘Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One. 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’g 31The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’h No other commandment is greater than these.”

Finally Matthew 5: 17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven

Have either Heaven or the Earth passed away yet? I seem to be standing on something rather solid, the sun is still shining, i can see the moon and stars at night (therefore the heavens appear to still be here), has the story been completed yet or are we still waiting for the coming of Christ and of course the finale, the final judgement...hmmm?

Hi Adam!

Welcome to CF and thanks for sharing God's Word.

God bless!

Studyman · May 6, 2021

Bob S said:
Your take on Matt 17-19 is a little less that fascinating. Not even one stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. WOW! That has to mean Jesus was telling the Jews, not the Gentiles, that all of the old covenant Laws, 613 of them were still in effect.

Yes, not one stroke of the pen in the Law and Prophets. This would also include the Prophesy of the Messiah becoming the High Priest, after the "order of Melchizedek", replacing the "Order of Aaron". Bringing an end to the "works of the Law" of Atonement given to Levi by covenant, because of transgressions, "Till the SEED should come" as Paul teaches.

So then, according to the Holy Scriptures, the Priesthood duties of the Levitical Priesthood are to end "After those days", when the Messiah becomes the High Priest. This New Priesthood started after the Levite Priest, John the Baptist, anointed Jesus, handing over the Levitical Priesthood, as it was supposed to be. John knew who the true High Priest was, and had been waiting for HIM..

Matt. 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness.(To fulfill Prophesy) Then he suffered him.

Duet. 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

So BS, BY LAW the animal sacrifices and carnal duties of the Levitical Priesthood LAW, which was "ADDED" 430 years after Abraham, was to end. Continuing in them for atonement/justification, contrary to the Scriptures, was a sin as Paul teaches.

Gal. 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness (Removal of sin) come by the law, (Animal sacrifice) then Christ is dead in vain.

And again;

Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works?( animal sacrifice for atonement) Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Also, I might point out to you, AGAIN, that the religious teaching that God gave even "ONE" person who HE delivered from Egypt, 613 laws, is an insidious lie, created by the father of lies to belittle and discredit the God of Abraham. It is untrue, deceptive, and furthered by "ministers of righteousness" as Paul also warns. Religious men really shouldn't be still furthering such falsehoods, especially after they have been shown it is a myth, a lie, a falsehood.

So if the religious philosophy of men is founded on falsehoods, then the entire "Lump" is corrupted. Isn't this the reason why Jesus said "Beware of the Leaven" of the Mainstream Preachers of HIS Time?

Bob S · May 6, 2021

Studyman said:
Also, I might point out to you, AGAIN, that the religious teaching that God gave even "ONE" person who HE delivered from Egypt, 613 laws, is an insidious lie, created by the father of lies to belittle and discredit the God of Abraham. It is untrue, deceptive, and furthered by "ministers of righteousness" as Paul also warns. Religious men really shouldn't be still furthering such falsehoods, especially after they have been shown it is a myth, a lie, a falsehood.

So if the religious philosophy of men is founded on falsehoods, then the entire "Lump" is corrupted. Isn't this the reason why Jesus said "Beware of the Leaven" of the Mainstream Preachers of HIS Time?

I think I am reading you correctly, you say 613 commands are a lie and because men use that number, we are being deceptive? By all means give us the correct number because I assume you have counted them and the number is different. Who really wants to be deceptive, I surely don't.

Studyman · May 6, 2021

Bob S said:
I think I am reading you correctly, you say 613 commands are a lie and because men use that number, we are being deceptive? By all means give us the correct number because I assume you have counted them and the number is different. Who really wants to be deceptive, I surely don't.

The premise behind the "613" Law lie is that God rescued Abraham's Children from the bondage and slavery of Egypt, only to place on their necks an unbearable burden of laws. In your case, 613 of them. It is untrue and created to belittle God. As far as counting, you should know what you are preaching before you preach it. You heard the 613 law myth from somewhere, just not from the Word of God, and you furthered it without considering what the scriptures actually say.

So the truth is, God didn't save Israel from bondage in Egypt, only to place more bondage on their necks in the form of Laws, which you falsely claim are 613.

So if you don't want to be deceptive, then you should stop preaching things about God which are false.

The Shame is not being deceived, we have all been influenced by the "other voice" in the garden. The Shame is remaining in this condition even after you have been given the truth.

RBPerry · May 6, 2021

How about listing them, then we all can count them. Start with the ten then start adding the Mosaic laws. Might be interesting.

Bob S · May 10, 2021

Studyman said:
The premise behind the "613" Law lie is that God rescued Abraham's Children from the bondage and slavery of Egypt, only to place on their necks an unbearable burden of laws. In your case, 613 of them. It is untrue and created to belittle God. As far as counting, you should know what you are preaching before you preach it. You heard the 613 law myth from somewhere, just not from the Word of God, and you furthered it without considering what the scriptures actually say.

So the truth is, God didn't save Israel from bondage in Egypt, only to place more bondage on their necks in the form of Laws, which you falsely claim are 613.

So if you don't want to be deceptive, then you should stop preaching things about God which are false.

The Shame is not being deceived, we have all been influenced by the "other voice" in the garden. The Shame is remaining in this condition even after you have been given the truth.

"The truth"??? Pray tell us where you have given any proof. I don't second guess God and I don't second guess the fact that the Bible contains a vast number of laws that the Israelites were responsible to keep.

I suspect you are either playing the devil's advocate or are wrongfully critical of others. Maybe it is your definition of bondage that is skewed.

RBPerry · May 10, 2021

Studyman said:
The Shame is not being deceived, we have all been influenced by the "other voice" in the garden. The Shame is remaining in this condition even after you have been given the truth.

You mean that if we don't agree wit you, we are listening to "the other voice". Statements like that are judgements meant to produce guilt trips that are unwarranted. It is my opinion that most Christian are attempting to follow Christ to the best of their understanding. We will all fail at times.
What did Jesus say about who could be saved. "with you being evil it is impossible, but with God all things are possible". What do you think Jesus meant by that statement?

Studyman · May 10, 2021

Bob S said:
"The truth"??? Pray tell us where you have given any proof. I don't second guess God and I don't second guess the fact that the Bible contains a vast number of laws that the Israelites were responsible to keep.

I suspect you are either playing the devil's advocate or are wrongfully critical of others. Maybe it is your definition of bondage that is skewed.

I'm simply pointing out that the popular religious doctrine that God saved Israel from the Slavery and bondage of Egypt, only to place on their necks an unbearable burden of 613 LAWS is a Lie. You can put lipstick on it, surround it with cleaver words, whatever, it is still a lie, a deception. I'm critical of the Lie, the falsehood you are furthering.

Which I should do for the edification of others. I can't stop you from believing the lie, or furthering it. I am simply pointing out the lie. What you do with this knowledge is up to you.

SabbathBlessings · May 10, 2021

RBPerry said:
You mean that if we don't agree wit you, we are listening to "the other voice". Statements like that are judgements meant to produce guilt trips that are unwarranted. It is my opinion that most Christian are attempting to follow Christ to the best of their understanding. We will all fail at times.
What did Jesus say about who could be saved. "with you being evil it is impossible, but with God all things are possible". What do you think Jesus meant by that statement?

That we can obey Him with His help. He is not going to force us to obey, we have to want to do that on our own.

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Studyman · May 10, 2021

RBPerry said:
You mean that if we don't agree wit you, we are listening to "the other voice". Statements like that are judgements meant to produce guilt trips that are unwarranted. It is my opinion that most Christian are attempting to follow Christ to the best of their understanding. We will all fail at times.
What did Jesus say about who could be saved. "with you being evil it is impossible, but with God all things are possible". What do you think Jesus meant by that statement?

The Biblical Fact of the matter is that God DID NOT place 613 Laws on even ONE PERSON that HE saved from Egypt.

Just like the Biblical Fact that Jesus is the Son of God, so also it is a Fact that God did not place an unbearable burden of 613 Laws on the backs of those HE saved from the bondage of Slavery in Egypt.

Whether I believe these Biblical Facts, or you believe these Biblical facts, has absolutely no influence, bearing or relevance regarding the truth of them.

We have all been deceived and will continue to be influenced by the "other voice" in the garden. My point is, it isn't a shame to be tricked. The same comes when we are too prideful to admit that we believed in something that wasn't true, when it is shown to us by Scriptures. When the traditions of our particular religious franchise or religious philosophy contradicts, or supersedes the Holy Teaching of God's Word, that is a problem.

""with you being evil it is impossible, but with God all things are possible"

How can I, being evil, know what GOOD is, unless God defines it for me? It is impossible for me to know Good, to know Righteousness, to be Righteous. But with God, all things are possible. As Jesus also said;

"Man shall live by EVERY WORD which proceeds from the mouth of God."

AMAZING FUN FACTS ON GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT AND SUNDAY WORSHIP!

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