Arizona Senate Intends to Hand-Count 2.1M Maricopa County 2020 Ballots; Not Clear How

Valletta said:

These are SWORN complaints under penalty of perjury.

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While I'm not a lawyer, I'm reasonably certain that they're not considered "sworn statements" unless admitted as evidence in court. An affidavit must be notarized, but the notarization is simply to verify that you are who you say that you are. So no, they're not made under penalty of perjury.

But even if they were, in order to prove perjury, you must first prove that they're knowingly lying, and not simply mistaken or confused. As that's a difficult bar to pass, most prosecutors aren't going to bother.

How many do you allege were investigated by the FBI?

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The FBI did not give a number.

When you have multiple complaints of the same type, such as observers who were physically shoved, then the reports are even more credible. If a Democrat election worker asked an observer to step back because they might be too close and the observer did not respond then what you do is call a cop--not put your hands on anyone.

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While such actions are not good, they're not evidence of election fraud. Also, why not report the assault to the police?

lasthero said:

So?

People lie under threat of perjury all the time. It's a notoriously difficult thing to convict someone of, because you have to prove they were lying - simply being wrong isn't perjury.

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I'm a court reporter and I swear witnesses in on a near-daily basis. People contradict themselves. People forget details both small and large. People outright lie. Them taking an oath doesn't change that, whether it's "sacred" or not. At the end of the day, it's eye-witness testimony, and if it's so unreliable when cops are assaulting people, then it doesn't magically become reliable when it tells the conspiracy theorists what they want to hear.

Basil the Great said:

I am not sure what the purpose of this venture is, since it will not impact the end result.

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The purpose is to pay tax money to the counter of the votes for re-counting them.

essentialsaltes said:

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Volunteer observers of the GOP’s shady “audit” of Maricopa County, Arizona’s 2020 election results are being required to sign non-disclosure agreements, local station ABC 15 reportedTuesday night.

The document also purports to restrict observers from making “public statements, social media posts, or similar public disclosures” about the audit without authorization, or until after the audit’s results are public.

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Is there a point to observers if they can't talk about what they've seen?

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When have you heard of an audit that has released the results before it is finished? The Russian collusion story turned out to be based on one person's false story, let's wait for the presentation of results agreed upon by the auditors themselves. Audits are hardly "shady," this is what should have been done in states last November.

Valletta said:

When have you heard of an audit that has released the results before it is finished?

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who said anything about results?

We're talking observtions.

The Russian collusion story

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--has nothing to do with anything. Stay focused.

essentialsaltes said:

Election observers point out irregularities when they see them. They do not announce results.

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This is NOT an election, the election is over. This is an audit, any weaknesses or wrongdoing are found then laws can be added or changed to ensure future elections. After Democrats lost the legal battle to stop the subpoena of the election ballots and machines they came up with a list of complaints, there was a verbal agreement to let the Secretary of State have three observers present and now Democrats and Republicans have a legal written agreement which I have NOT read.

Valletta said:

This is NOT an election, the election is over. This is an audit, any weaknesses or wrongdoing are found then laws can be added or changed to ensure future elections. After Democrats lost the legal battle to stop the subpoena of the election ballots and machines they came up with a list of complaints, there was a verbal agreement to let the Secretary of State have three observers present and now Democrats and Republicans have a legal written agreement which I have NOT read.

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What do you hope this audit to find?

Valletta said:

These are SWORN complaints under penalty of perjury. How many do you allege were investigated by the FBI? When you have multiple complaints of the same type, such as observers who were physically shoved, then the reports are even more credible. If a Democrat election worker asked an observer to step back because they might be too close and the observer did not respond then what you do is call a cop--not put your hands on anyone. Reminds me of John Kerry's first campaign where his brother Cameron and campaign manager were arrested in a night time break-in of the building housing Kerry's campaign opponent. They say they got a call and were setup--they should have called a cop if that were the case instead of breaking into a closed building.

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I've been staying out of this, others have been pointing out the many flaws in your argument well enough and, despite my showing you -- complete with links -- the flaws of your argument, you keep repeating the same things. I did decide I should link this to, again, show the value of many of these "SWORN complaints under penalty of perjury" -- direct from the courtroom camera in Arizona (the state we are talking about) where Trump's own lawyers admit that they found many of these "SWORN complaints under penalty of perjury" were clearly false:


I'll also point out, as others have stated, that the Trump lawyer's, in the same court, made clear they were not alleging fraud or a "stolen election."

SimplyMe said:

I've been staying out of this, others have been pointing out the many flaws in your argument well enough and, despite my showing you -- complete with links -- the flaws of your argument, you keep repeating the same things. I did decide I should link this to, again, show the value of many of these "SWORN complaints under penalty of perjury" -- direct from the courtroom camera in Arizona (the state we are talking about) where Trump's own lawyers admit that they found many of these "SWORN complaints under penalty of perjury" were clearly false:

I'll also point out, as others have stated, that the Trump lawyer's, in the same court, made clear they were not alleging fraud or a "stolen election."

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We're talking about the audit in Arizona and people have asked what the auditors are looking for. It would be irresponsible for auditors to fail to examine issues that were brought up in sworn affidavits. I've said that in sworn statements I have examined in the past I have found a small percentage to be false. I suspect some of the election statements are false, we know their were many lies told by Democrat officials in Georgia about why the counting supposedly stopped, Republicans can lie too. Let's just see what if any problems the audit identifies and see if we can come together as a nation to fix the problems. You are right in that a lot of the wrongdoing brought up in the lawsuits was not fraud. For example, racial slurs are not fraud, shoving observers is not fraud.

essentialsaltes said:

Then why even have this sham pretence of observers?

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Katie Hobbs, the Democrat Secretary of State, insisted on appointing three observers for the audit. You would have to ask her.

Valletta said:

I guess maybe it is lost on a lot of people today, but recall that the president and officials are required to take oaths, so are witnesses in court. Joe Biden swore an oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution, and thus the laws of this land. Some say he has violated this oath by not enforcing the laws at the border. An oath is very serious for Christians who understand the meaning. Catholics view our Sacraments as of particularly great importance, the word "sacrament" comes from the Latin word for oath.

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Matthew 5:34

Amateur hour....as outlined by the AZ Secretary of State: (noting the AZ Governor, Attorney General have remained silent to date):

Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs (D) on Wednesday sent a letter outlining a string of problems that she said observers from her office have witnessed at a Republican-led recount of the 2020 presidential election results in Arizona’s largest county.

In the six-page letter, Hobbs wrote that elections are “governed by a complex framework of laws and procedures designed to ensure accuracy, security, and transparency” but that the procedures governing the ongoing recount in Phoenix “ensure none of those things.”

Concerns based on disclosed procedures
1. The procedures are vague and insufficient to ensure accuracy and consistency
2. The counting process incorporated the use of untested, uncertified systems
3. The counting process departs from best practices for accurate hand tallying of ballots
4. The procedures do not detail a clear process for aggregation
5. The procedures fail to adequately protect and document chain of custody of ballots
6. The “forensic audit” of ballots lacks any credibility or basis in actual election operations
7. There were no procedures for hiring qualified, unbiased counters

Concerns based on observation
1. There is inadequate physical security of ballots
2. There was no livestreaming or observer access to the forensic processing of Maricopa County’s
election equipment.
3. Computers at “forensic analysis” tables were left on and unattended
4. There is risk of commingling counted and uncounted ballots in a batch, leading to some ballots being double-counted and others not being counted at all
5. The constantly changing rules cause confusion and counting errors, and undermine the reliability of the results
6. Frequent violations of the limited procedures that do exist, and a disregard for best practices or basic security

Mr. Bennett, as a former Secretary of State, you know that our elections are governed by a complex framework of laws and procedures designed to ensure accuracy, security, and transparency. You also must therefore know that the procedures governing this audit ensure none of those things. I’m not sure what compelled you to oversee this audit, but I’d like to assume you took this role with the best of intentions. It is those intentions I appeal to now: either do it right, or don’t do it at all.

Sincerely, Katie Hobbs Arizona Secretary of State

Read details in the letter:
https://context-cdn.washingtonpost..../0e40bd63-9f64-4c84-b60b-f6f13d6c0dc6.#page=1

Valletta said:

This is NOT an election, the election is over.

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And Biden won. Get over it.

without chain of custody, this entire audit won't be worth anything. this is just theater.

Arizona’s Republican-Run Election Audit Is Now Looking for Bamboo-Laced “China Ballots”

"There’s accusations that 40,000 ballots were flown in and stuffed into the box and it came from the Southeast part of the world, Asia. And what they’re doing is to find out if there’s bamboo in the paper . . . this is part of the mystery that we want to un-gaslight people about," audit liaison John Brakey told Dennis Welch of CBS5 News.

During a press conference for the audit last week, Brakey said what auditors were “looking for is folds in pieces of paper, because there’s a guy who came out and said certain things, that the ballots were stuffed, that we’re going to find bamboo in the paper.”

Bennett, the spokesman for the audit, then confirmed, “we’re evaluating the paper. We’re evaluating the paper.”

Are we even sure it came from Earth?

NxNW said:

Arizona’s Republican-Run Election Audit Is Now Looking for Bamboo-Laced “China Ballots”

There’s accusations that 40,000 ballots were flown in and stuffed into the box and it came from the Southeast part of the world, Asia. And what they’re doing is to find out if there’s bamboo in the paper . . . this is part of the mystery that we want to un-gaslight people about," audit liaison John Brakey told Dennis Welch of CBS5 News.

During a press conference for the audit last week, Brakey said what auditors were “looking for is folds in pieces of paper, because there’s a guy who came out and said certain things, that the ballots were stuffed, that we’re going to find bamboo in the paper.”

Bennett, the spokesman for the audit, then confirmed, “we’re evaluating the paper. We’re evaluating the paper.”

Are we even sure it came from Earth?

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That is bizarre. Why would they bother flying in fax ballots from China?