Police are NOT hunting down black people

muichimotsu said:

Right wing Blue Lives Matter reactionaries who don't want to deal with how they don't live in fear of police encounters that could lead to their deaths. Privileged white people that don't want to recognize a problem because it doesn't affect them in any meaningful way.

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Law abiding citizens don’t fear the police, they have no reason to.

BNR32FAN said:

Law abiding citizens don’t fear the police, they have no reason to.

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Many people fear the police while being law abiding citizens. If you look at the DOJ report on various police departments, many residents complain of police harassment despite committing no crimes.

SummerMadness said:

Many people fear the police while being law abiding citizens. If you look at the DOJ report on various police departments, many residents complain of police harassment despite committing no crimes.

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Yeah where can I find the number of complaints? I can’t seem to find it anywhere.

SummerMadness said:

Many people fear the police while being law abiding citizens. If you look at the DOJ report on various police departments, many residents complain of police harassment despite committing no crimes.

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The only thing I could find was from 2006 where 26,000 harassment cases were filed. That sounds like a lot huh? Well let’s do the math really quick. There’s roughly 670,000 police officers in the US so let’s say that each one only encounters 5 people per day which is probably ridiculously low but I don’t want to calculate this on an unreasonable number so let’s say 5 per day. And let’s say they only work 5 days a week so that’s 260 days per year. So 670,000 x 5= 3,350,000 encounters per day times 260 days comes to 871,000,000 encounters per year. So that’s .002985% of police encounters that result in a harassment complaint each year. Does that really sound unreasonable? One out of every 50,000 encounters results in a complaint. So I don’t see why these people are in such fear if only one in 50,000 result in a complaint. How many police encounters are these people witnessing to make them so afraid?

rjs330 said:

You didn't answer my question. You talk about white people but don't actually provide any false narrative.

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The false narrative is that there isn't anything like enabling, it's just bad apples that somehow will just always be a thing instead of making some attempt to be better when "better" means divesting some funding for police to other services that also help society (mental health, social welfare, etc)

BNR32FAN said:

Law abiding citizens don’t fear the police, they have no reason to.

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Except this assumes the law is always lawful, which is authoritarian naivete that, ironically, seems to think the state applies law fairly 100% of the time

muichimotsu said:

The false narrative is that there isn't anything like enabling, it's just bad apples that somehow will just always be a thing instead of making some attempt to be better when "better" means divesting some funding for police to other services that also help society (mental health, social welfare, etc)

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There's no job done perfectly....even with the extensive training and safeguards we have in place....planes crash, surgeons make lethal but honest mistakes, mechanics forget steps...

We're all people. There's no conceivable policing system done by people in an armed population that won't have casualties.

Ana the Ist said:

There's no job done perfectly....even with the extensive training and safeguards we have in place....planes crash, surgeons make lethal but honest mistakes, mechanics forget steps...

We're all people. There's no conceivable policing system done by people in an armed population that won't have casualties.

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Pretty sure I don't hold people to a standard of perfection, so that's entirely misrepresenting my position to knock it down as extremism when that wasn't remotely insinuated

The problem is not the casualties, but why the police are mobilized for problems that don't necessarily require them or they don't even have training that fits for that situation. This is why defunding the police is called for, we treat every problem like a nail and the police are the hammer we utilize like a bludgeon.

disciple Clint said:

Well the flaw in that argument is that white people get killed by police in even larger numbers than black people.

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But it's not proportional, more blacks being killed than proportional to their demographic is the crux you're overlooking, whereas the proportion relative to white demographic is more comparable, since of course there'd be more with regards to a group that's larger.

It's like complaining that there are more straight divorces than gay divorces when there are more straight people than gay. And the numbers aren't exactly out on a proportional representation, far as I'm aware.

muichimotsu said:

Except this assumes the law is always lawful, which is authoritarian naivete that, ironically, seems to think the state applies law fairly 100% of the time

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No not at all, the safety law abiding citizens feel is because they know that all they have to do is cooperate with the police officer and he will have no reason to harm them. Police officers don’t just go around attacking people for no reason.

muichimotsu said:

But it's not proportional, more blacks being killed than proportional to their demographic is the crux you're overlooking, whereas the proportion relative to white demographic is more comparable, since of course there'd be more with regards to a group that's larger.

It's like complaining that there are more straight divorces than gay divorces when there are more straight people than gay. And the numbers aren't exactly out on a proportional representation, far as I'm aware.

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Well that’s probably due to the fact that blacks are more prone to violence than whites are which is why blacks are responsible for roughly half of the homicides committed each year in America despite them only making up for 12% of our population.

BNR32FAN said:

Well that’s probably due to the fact that blacks are more prone to violence than whites are which is why blacks are responsible for roughly half of the homicides committed each year in America despite them only making up for 12% of our population.

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And here we are.

muichimotsu said:

Pretty sure I don't hold people to a standard of perfection, so that's entirely misrepresenting my position to knock it down as extremism when that wasn't remotely insinuated

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Oh good. All this talk about bad apples made it look different.

The problem is not the casualties,

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Well that does result in protesting.

but why the police are mobilized for problems that don't necessarily require them or they don't even have training that fits for that situation.

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Evidence?

Pommer said:

And here we are.

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"Blacks are more prone to violence..." it's not even hidden anymore.

BNR32FAN said:

Law abiding citizens don’t fear the police, they have no reason to.

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Yeah, that's not true.

Cops Receive Qualified Immunity for Coercing a 13-Year-Old Into Confessing to a Murder He Didn’t Commit – Reason.com

Gene2memE said:

Yeah, that's not true.

Cops Receive Qualified Immunity for Coercing a 13-Year-Old Into Confessing to a Murder He Didn’t Commit – Reason.com

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First of all your source is terrible. He was released after several appeals based on inconclusive evidence. They never proved that he was innocent and he’s an idiot if he pleaded guilty to a murder charge he didn’t commit. He’s just trying to sue the police dept because he got released based on insufficient evidence from the security camera and he recanted on his confession. Of course your source want to say that he’s innocent even tho they have no way of knowing if that’s true or not because they’re a media website that full of this kind of garbage.

BNR32FAN said:

First of all your source is terrible. He was released after several appeals based on inconclusive evidence. They never proved that he was innocent and he’s an idiot if he pleaded guilty to a murder charge he didn’t commit. He’s just trying to sue the police dept because he got released based on insufficient evidence from the security camera and he recanted on his confession. Of course your source want to say that he’s innocent even tho they have no way of knowing if that’s true or not because they’re a media website that full of this kind of garbage.

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From the ruling: [Page 12]
“The California Court of Appeal reversed the trial court’s ruling on the motion to suppress Tobias’s statement to the police, concluding that the detectives failed to respect his unambiguous request for an attorney. Id. at 799–801. On remand, the charges were dismissed, and all parties— including the arresting officers—now agree that Tobias was not involved in the Castaneda murder.”

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If you want some REALLY sobering reading about why you should always be wary of law enforcement:

https://www.law.umich.edu/special/e...nt_Misconduct_and_Convicting_the_Innocent.pdf