Under Biden, US went from having one of the worst Covid responses to being global leader in Vaxx

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He inherited a mess, a stalled effort because Trump paid no attention to getting the vaccines out and to people. .
It is amazing what people will believe when they want to and even after being told the facts of the matter.
 
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It is amazing what people will believe when they want to and even after being told the facts of the matter.
That's true - I've noticed that for the past 4+ years.
 
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You should start a separate thread on that. This thread is about the great job Biden did in turning the US around from being severely lacking in Covid response to being the global leader in Covid response. It's impressive that he cleaned up the mess he inherited and put us at #1 in such a short time!
absolutely we would not want anyone to critize Biden regardless of his multiple failures.
 
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That's yet to be seen.

Biden's numbers are a good sign for Dem's ... and the Republican party is currently a clown show.

And Biden hasn't even passed his infrastructure plan yet ...
The interesting part of Biden's numbers is how they do not seem to line up with the number of votes that he may have got. He is less popular than Obama but he got more votes?
 
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The interesting part of Biden's numbers is how they do not seem to line up with the number of votes that he may have got. He is less popular than Obama but he got more votes?
There was larger turnout for the 2020 election ... plus the electorate has grown since Obama ...
 
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There was larger turnout for the 2020 election ... plus the electorate has grown since Obama ...
How does that explain the fact that Obama was much more popular than Biden, but only received 1% more of the vote. Obama 51.1% Biden 50.1%
 
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How does that explain the fact that Obama was much more popular than Biden, but only received 1% more of the vote. Obama 51.1% Biden 50.1%
Obama got a LARGER SHARE of the votes that were cast ... so he got the larger percentage.

Biden got a somewhat SMALLER SHARE of a much LARGER POT of votes ... so he got the larger absolute numbers.

It's math ...
 
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Obama got a LARGER SHARE of the votes that were cast ... so he got the larger percentage.

Biden got a somewhat SMALLER SHARE of a much LARGER POT of votes ... so he got the larger absolute numbers.

It's math ...
The math is clear the reason is not so clear, I think you misunderstood the question. let me put it this way, Obama was much more popular than Biden, Obama should have had a much higher percentage of the vote than what Biden had, and yet the difference is only one percent, that defies logic.
 
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The math is clear the reason is not so clear, I think you misunderstood the question. let me put it this way, Obama was much more popular than Biden, Obama should have had a much higher percentage of the vote than what Biden had, and yet the difference is only one percent, that defies logic.
I think that you may be confabulating pre-election popularity (i.e. vote percentage) ... with post-election popularity (i.e. job approval) ...
 
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I think that you may be confabulating pre-election popularity (i.e. vote percentage) ... with post-election popularity (i.e. job approval) ...
even there Obama has higher marks than Biden so far anyway. I guess I just cannot see anyway that Obama would not vastly out preform Biden in getting votes.
 
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even there Obama has higher marks than Biden so far anyway. I guess I just cannot see anyway that Obama would not vastly out preform Biden in getting votes.
You seem to be operating from an expectation that elections are not colored by national sentiment.

The Obama elections/presidency had a somewhat different flavor than the Biden election/presidency.

This would be true of any election/presidency ...
 
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absolutely we would not want anyone to critize Biden regardless of his multiple failures.
"Critize" Biden all you want, just be respectful and don't derail this thread.
 
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The math is clear the reason is not so clear, I think you misunderstood the question. let me put it this way, Obama was much more popular than Biden, Obama should have had a much higher percentage of the vote than what Biden had, and yet the difference is only one percent, that defies logic.

Factor in that Trump was more unpopular than Romney (or McCain).

What does that do you to your math?
 
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Popular enough to keep his elected office... which puts him one up on Donald. ;)
He would not have been elected if Trump had not supported him and then look at how he returns that favor, much like his groveling when he wanted to have Trump appoint him Secretary of State. Then he has the audacity to claim he has principles. I doubt he will be reelected, he was not warmly received at his last appearance in his state, people recognize him for what he is.
 
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Do you know that for a fact, Romney has never been very popular.

Romney 2012: 47.2% share of the vote
Trump 2016: 46.1%
Trump 2020: 46.9%

Looks more popular to me.

In terms of favourability and popularity, Romney did worse among Republicans than Trump, but significantly better (15-20%) among both independents and Democrats. He was also more popular and viewed more favourably with those all along the political spectrum (Liberal-Moderate-Conservative), with the exception of those that classified themselves 'extremely conservative'.

Mitt Romney Favorability (October 2012)
Donald Trump Approval (October 2020)

Over the run of the 2012 campaign, Romney was view consistently more favourably by the general electorate than Trump in 2020, by a margin of about 10 percentage points. His unfavourable rating was also consistently lower, by about 8 percentage points.

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Romney: Favorable/Unfavorable
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Trump: Favorable/Unfavorable

Across the political and ideological spectrum, more people liked Romney and fewer people disliked him. So, yeah. I'd say I know it for a fact.


The key difference between Romney and Trump, is that while people weren't necessarily enthusiastic about Romney, they also didn't dislike him enough to vote for the other candidate. Romney's 'very unfavourable' ratings with Republican groups averaged under 1%. Trump meanwhile averaged closer to 8%.

Trump had a hard core of very enthusiastic and vocal fans - sort of like some Kpop groups have - but also put a lot of people off. Romney was a bit more like easy listening radio - not a lot of hardcore fans out there, but nothing really there to put anyone off either and generally pretty palatable.
 
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He would not have been elected if Trump had not supported him and then look at how he returns that favor, much like his groveling when he wanted to have Trump appoint him Secretary of State. Then he has the audacity to claim he has principles. I doubt he will be reelected, he was not warmly received at his last appearance in his state, people recognize him for what he is.


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