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keras said:

That the martyrs killed during the final 42 months before Jesus Returns, will be resurrected into mortal bodies, is clear from Revelation 20:4-6 They will live again, or be brought back to life and over them their second death of old age, or other causes, will not affect their change to immortality at the GWT Judgment.

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That's off topic in this thread. Go ahead and start a new thread, because that would be a good topic to discuss (I think).

mkgal1 said:

Based on what, though?

Not the Mosaic Covenant....agreed?

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I would agree that it’s not the Mosaic covenant but I think we still commit transgression against the law that is now in our hearts. Jeremiah 31:33

In the new covenant, God has given us...

a heart to love God
a mind to know God
a mouth to praise God

these are among the riches we have in Christ.

mkgal1 said:

Jesus, Himself, was a preterist (preterists believe Jesus fulfilled the Messianic prophecies)....

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You do realize that all representations of eschatology (end times) accepts that Christ fulfilled all aspects of the Messiah that God prophecied would be fulfilled.

The Jews had their own private interpretations of what their Messiah would do. No one here seems to be considered a Jewish eschatology interpreter, except perhaps Keraz. Not in a bad way. Keraz just uses all the OT prophecies more than any other modern scholar, so he would be the closest to what they themselves had read for 500 years, prior to Christ, and the 2000 year gap. Daniel also adds a 1000 year period, because times, time and half a time is 3500 years. The church is not in the last 1000 years. The church has just existed in the last 1991 years since the Cross. The house of Jacob has been set aside those same 1991 years, but it still is in exile, even though Israel has been replanted as a Nation recognized unwillingly by most other Nations.

The last days of the Jewish eschatology was the Cross. It is not the GWT. Even most eschatology of the church does not get the last day resurrection of the OT correct. Jesus was literally a Jew of the first century who knew the OT.

Jesus was not any modern day eschatology teacher. Claiming Jesus was preterist, amil, premil, historist, is nonsense. The NT end times were still future to Him. He was the end of the Jewish eschatology, but only the part before the gap called the NT church. What part of His chosen people being set aside until the fulness of the Gentiles is brought in, can no one see in these forums? Jesus Christ will return to earth to work with Jacob, and it will be a time of unprecedented trouble. The church leaves, and is not part of Daniel 9 one bit. The church is finished when the gap is closed at the Second Coming. Jesus did not teach the first century Jews any eschatology. He is their eschatology in physical representation. He came unto His own, and His own recieved Him not....

Jesus did teach how He world return and that is the reason He gave the Jews His teachings in the Gospels. These writings will be what is written on their hearts at the Second Coming. Currently though the church is in the vineyard gathering the body of Christ. Daniel 9 does not cover this gap. Modern eschatology tries to explain the gap, and fails at what the 70th week actually is. The 70th week is the physical body of Christ on the earth. The church is the gap, the body of believers who physically represent Christ on earth, until the physical body returns.

Daniel 9:27 is the gap at the Second Coming in the 7th Trumpet. That is Satan's 42 month gap, not the church at all. The church is already complete and glorified in Paradise, the temple of God. The Jews eschatology is over. However the life of Christ will be starting again physically to complete the last 1000 years Himself of Daniel's 3500 years.

"And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end."

There were 500 years between Daniel and Jesus Christ. There have been 1991 years since Christ. Knowing these 2 amounts and the end is not yet, we have two 1000 years as the "times". 500 as "half a time". So the "time" (1000 years) is still yet to happen. What 1000 years? The one in Revelation 20.

mkgal1 said:

The 70 weeks were determined specifically for "Daniel's people" the biblical text says.

Daniel 9:24
Seventy weeks are decreed for your people and your holy city to stop their transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.​

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The only people on earth for the 1000 years will be resurrected dead people. Saying all is completed at the 7th Trumpet, means it was determined and now all are dead. No one "enjoyed" the determination in physical sin corrupted bodies. All those resurrected in Revelation 20:4 will reap the benefits of that determination. It will be a new heaven and earth, with the determination of Daniel 9:24 in effect. All those resurrected will rule and reign with Christ. This firstfruits will populate the earth for 1000 years. Up to 40 generations. These generations will benefit from the determination of Daniel 9:24. All of them!

Yes there will be consequences if a Nation decides not to obey Jesus Christ. Yet healing and restoration is available. Direct disobedience will result in instant Death. No rehabilitation will be given. Those who claim we are fully in the determination now should have no issues of how it works. The only difference is God does not consume us with fire the first time we sin. Grace is not extended into the Millennium. So therefore it has not been determined, because the return of Christ to reign on earth has not been realized. Being cut off, is what happened. Meantime, the church is representing Christ, until the return. Unless one can prove there is no church currently on earth, which would be harder to prove, than proving Christ is physically ruling in Jerusalem; then we are in the gap, waiting for the return. The gap is the fulness of the Gentiles.

mkgal1 said:

Earlier I asked if English is your primary language or if you feel more comfortable speaking a different language. I didn't ask that as a criticism.....but your posts are difficult for me to follow.

For instance....in this post...when you write, "no one is denying what Jesus did as the Messiah, so you do not have to keep using that as proof"......what are you referring to specifically that I don't need to use as "proof".....and proof of what? I'm just having a difficult time following what your point is.

And....feel free to clarify your distinction between "confirmed" and "established". The new covenant wasn't "established" with Jesus.....because it's a fulfillment of previous promises, oaths, covenants already made (with Adam and Eve; Abraham; David).

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It was established in the physical. Being established in the eternal before Creation, did benefit Adam's immediate descendants like Enoch. The first to realize the Covenant fully. He walked with God and was no longer found on physical earth. In the OT is was established by faith. No one in the OT had the physical event historically. That is a benefit the NT church has, that the OT church did not have. Yet even 300 years after the Cross, it was stuff of legend, because of how the generational shift of knowledge happens.

Yet not even Daniel's people enjoyed the confirmation, because they rejected the Messiah. They were set aside, while God worked through the NT church. The NT church is not the determination of Daniel 9:24. It is the gap until the determination is complete at the 7th Trumpet. Only Christ physically on earth can finish up the 70th week.

mkgal1 said:

That's off topic in this thread. Go ahead and start a new thread, because that would be a good topic to discuss (I think).

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He started this thread. If the op brings up a new point, is that off topic?

keras said:

The 2000 year gap, is the Church age, over when Jesus Returns.

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We don't know when Jesus Returns and it's against forum rules to make predictions. There is no end to His kingdom or to this age.

mkgal1 said:

The temple of Herod was an idol - not where God dwelled (that was the argument between Jesus and the 1st century apostate religious leaders). It wasn't the "Father’s House".....it was their house (the apostate religious leaders of the 1st century).

John 2
17His disciples remembered that it is written: “Zeal for Your house will consume Me.”c18On account of this, the Jews demanded, “What sign can You show us to prove Your authority to do these things?”19Jesus answered, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up again.”20“This temple took forty-six years to build,” the Jews replied, “and You are going to raise it up in three days?”21But Jesus was speaking about the temple of His body​

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No, He was talking about His unfaithful and rebellious Old Testament congregation (people - not the physical temple). Their congregation is the Body of His Temple. They rejected the Messiah, so their lost their kingdom representative. This is how they have destroyed the temple this way!

And there were people made a false witness against Christ about temple.

Mark 14:55-58

• "And the chief priests and all the council sought for witness against Jesus to put him to death; and found none.
• For many bare false witness against him, but their witness agreed not together.
• And there arose certain, and bare false witness against him, saying,
• We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.
• But neither so did their witness agree together."

That's not what Christ said! Likewise, that's not what Christ said! False witnesses have to distort the word, true witnesses do not. The key phrase here is "unadulterated" word of God! For example, what Christ really said, as opposed to others who misquote, wrest and reorganize His words. I'm sure they took your same natural-man philosophy about allegories, foolishly deciding that there was no justification for it. Nevertheless, they DID destroy the Temple, and it has raised up in 3 days. Allegorically Speaking!!!! It is not a literal Herod temple or any physical Jewish temple, or 70AD theory, else you have to explain how Christ rebuilt it in three days.

Let me ask you again which you have failed to answer. What temple was it exactly that Christ said was destroyed by HIS PEOPLE that He did rebuild it in three days?

mkgal1 said:

They were builders of which temple (two were being contrasted)?

Jesus is what was greater than Herod's temple.

Matthew 12:6
But I tell you that something greater than the temple is here.​

Jesus's temple is made from "living stones" (His faithful) and it is eternal.

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And?

Again, you admitted that the Jews were the builders of the temple. Now, exactly what temple?

Mat 21:42-45
(42) Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
(43) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
(44) And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
(45) And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

These chief priests and Pharisees did not physically build the temple (or your so-called Herod temple) yet they knew Christ was talking about THEM! Why can't you? And why they were indeed the builders of the temple... what temple is it? Was it the temple making up of stones or people? Christ was talking about Jews spiritually as his builders who have rejected him. The physical stones can't reject another stone and fell before it literally!

mkgal1 said:

Apparently you've not even been reading my posts (even though you criticized me for not reading your 21 page article you shared).

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Your posts were not that long, really.

Are my posts too much for you to read?

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Not at all.

I gave you my reason for not reading your extrabiblical verbose article (recovering from a stroke)

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I don't believe that will prevent you from reading Bible, books, other articles, long posts here on your own pace.

.....so what's your reason for not reading my posts but leaping to conclusions about what I think or what I want (making presumptions)?

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Of course, I have. What "you think" and "you want" are submit to Scripture that I found to be questionable.

keras said:

Thanks for your nice comments about me.
But I must refute the incredible and unique idea above. The 2000 year gap, is the Church age, over when Jesus Returns.
The 70th 'week', will be the final 7 years of the Church age. Proved by the several mentions of the last half of those 7 years, in Revelation.

This idea also, is quite wrong. Proved by how the angels will gather the living faithful people to Jesus at His Return. Matthew 24:31

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Yes, the angels take a soul out of the dead corruptible adamic flesh and place it in an incorruptible permanent body. That is why an angel is involved. It is not a death, it is not a change in mid air. It is the soul being transported through time. A body does not need an angel, just to be protected. The soul needs an angel to remove the sin nature of Adam's biological dead flesh. That is the protection, that these souls are given everlasting life. That means the dead corruptible flesh has to go.

I know you do not agree with my thoughts. No one agrees, at least not yet.

Timtofly said:

I know you do not agree with my thoughts. No one agrees, at least not yet.

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What you are neglecting to do is explaining how you are even arriving at a lot of these thoughts. Unless you can show it from Scripture, it is no different than Amil's interpretation involving departed souls reigning in heaven as kings and priests while in a disembodied state. Where is there other Scripture that even support such an idea? There isn't any. But not wanting to get into a debate with an Amil about that in this thread. I only used that as an example because I see what you are doing a lot of the time being no different than this example.

keras said:

Maybe that is because your posts are too long and are often contradictory.

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Sounds like an excuse some give to the Bible.

My post sometimes gives both perspectives, and yes they can contradict each other.