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So you think that's all we have to do is believe to be saved?
Do you disagree with Jesus? (John 3:15,16,18) What about with Peter and Paul? (Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31) I thought you believed we are not saved by works. So what must we accomplish and "add" as a supplement to Christ's finished work of redemption in order to help Christ save us?
 
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Do you disagree with Jesus? (John 3:15,16,18) What about with Peter and Paul? (Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31) I thought you believed we are not saved by works. So what must we accomplish and "add" as a supplement to Christ's finished work of redemption in order to help Christ save us?
I asked you the same question....

“Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” Mathew 19:16-17
 
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I asked you the same question....

“Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” Mathew 19:16-17
I already explained this in a previous post.
 
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So you think that's all we have to do is believe to be saved?
James talks about this problem in James 2:17-20; 26 calling it the faith of devils which is a warning to us that if we profess to know Jesus while not doing what Gods Word says then we do not have living faith. True faith according to the scriptures is believing and doing what Gods Word says.
 
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James talks about this problem in James 2:17-20; 26 calling it the faith of devils which is a warning to us that if we profess to know Jesus while not doing what Gods Word says then we do not have living faith. True faith according to the scriptures is believing and doing what Gods Word says.

I agree! Believing is a very important first step, but anyone can believe and worship other gods, or steal, or murder etc. When you believe and have true faith you will want to turn from sin and obey because of our love for Jesus and He asked. John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3
 
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I agree! Believing is a very important first step, but anyone can believe and worship other gods, or steal, or murder etc. When you believe and have true faith you will want to turn from sin and obey because of our love for Jesus and He asked. John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3
Agreed, good point sis, Jesus also supports what James says in Matthew 7:21-23 where he says that Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. The above of course also agreeing with John in 1 John 2:3-4 and 1 John 3:6-9 who says that no one knows God be practicing known unrepentant sin. No one can claim to have genuine faith therefore or can even claim to know God if they are knowingly breaking God's commandments according to the scriptures.

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Agreed, good point sis, Jesus also supports what James says in Matthew 7:21-23 where he says that Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. The above of course also agreeing with John in 1 John 2:3-4 and 1 John 3:6-9
Yes! Great scriptures and thanks for posting those. I think it's important for people to understand Jesus does not want us to sin. I am so grateful for His great sacrifice for us so if we stumble we have an Advocate, but with true faith we want to obey just because He asked and we love Him.
 
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Yes! Great scriptures and thanks for posting those. I think it's important for people to understand Jesus does not want us to sin. I am so grateful for His great sacrifice for us so if we stumble we have an Advocate, but with true faith we want to obey just because He asked and we love Him.

Sis I think the problem for many here is that they do not understand the purpose of Gods' Law in the new covenant. What are your thoughts? I believe the scriptures teach that, no one is saved by keeping Gods' law according to the scriptures we are saved by God's grace through faith alone we only keep God's commandments because we love God and believe and follow His Words *John 14:15; John 15:10.

As posted in different places already obedience to God's Law is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14.

I think many people do not understand what the old covenant actually is or the role of Gods' 10 commandments in the new covenant. They think that they old covenant was only the 10 commandments. While the 10 commandments were included the old covenant according to the scriptures *Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13 it was only a part of the old covenant designed to give God's people a knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing). The old covenant also included all the "shadow laws" for remission of sins (Levitical Priesthood; laws for remission of sins through animal sacrifices and sin offerings, the ceremonial laws for the earthly sanctuary, annual Feasts, circumcision etc) and all the other laws written by Moses in the book of the covenant *Exodus 24:7.

It is these "shadow laws" from the Mosaic book of the covenant that have been changed based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6 according to Gods' Word in Hebrews not God's 10 commandments. So in the new covenant we no longer follow the old covenant "shadow laws" for remission of sins. Jesus today is our great High Priest *Hebrews 7:1-25 ministering on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man of which the earthly was just a copy *Hebrews 8:2-5, Jesus of course representing God's true sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all *John 1:29; 36; Hebrews 10:10.

It is the "shadow laws" for remission of sins from the Mosaic book of the covenant that are now fulfilled in the new covenant based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6; Hebrews 9:1-12; Hebrews 10:1-17 in the body of Christ *Colossians 2:17. According to the scriptures both God's 10 commandments as well as the Mosaic BOOK of the covenant were kept in the Ark of the covenant. God's 10 commandment were placed inside the Ark of the covenant underneath the mercy seat *Exodus 25:16-17; Deuteronomy 10:1-5 while the book of the covenant *Exodus 24:7 was placed in the side of the Ark *Deuteronomy 31:24-26.

So the full story here is that both God's 10 commandments as well as the Mosaic book of the law (Exodus 24:7; Deuteronomy 28:61; 29:21; 30:10; 31:24-26; Josiah 1:8; 8:31-34; 23:6; 24:26; 2 Kings 14:6; 22:8-11; 23:24; 2 Chronicles 17:9; 25:4; 34:14-15; Nehemiah 8:1-8;18; 9:3; Galatians 3:10; Hebrews 9:19; Hebrews 10:7 etc) collectively make up the old covenant not just God’s 10 commandments.

It is the old covenant "shadow laws" for the remission of sins that pointed to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the new covenant based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6. Hebrews 10:1-17; Psalms 40:7, that are fulfilled and continued in Christ not God's 10 commandments.

The "shadow laws are those laws for the remission of sins that are fulfilled and continued in the body of Christ *Colossians 2:17 in the new covenant as it is also written "Then said I, See, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me , Then said I, See, I come in the volume of the book it is written of me, to do your will, O God * Hebrews 10:7 from Psalms 40:7. It is the volume of the book that pointed to Jesus that is fulfilled in the new covenant based on better promises not God's 10 commandments which are continued in the new covenant and according to the scriptures give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 (more scripture support here and here).

So to say we know what sin is without having Gods' 10 commandments is not biblical because the scriptures teach us that it is only by the law we have a knowledge of what sin is according to Paul in Romans 3:20 and Romans 7:7 which agrees with John in 1 John 3:4 and James in James 2:10-11.

It is the new ministration of the Spirit of God working through those who believe God's Word with Jesus as ministering on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary that God promises to change our hearts to love that fulfills God's new covenant promise of salvation from sins to those who believe and follow Gods' Word according to Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:23-27 that Paul talks about in Hebrews 8:10-12 and Hebrews 10:1-22.

We need to be born again according to Jesus from the inside out to walk in God's Spirit of love *John 3:3-7; Matthew 22:36-40; Galatians 5:16 because those who have been born again into God's new covenant promise do not knowingly practice sin (breaking God's commandments) according to John in 1 John 3:6-9 and those who do have not seen or know God according to 1 John 2:3-4. No one loves God by breaking His commandments as love is expressed through obedience to God's law according to Jesus in Matthew 22:36-40, Paul in Romans 13:8-10; James in James 2:8-12 and John in 1 John 5:2-3 as we have faith in God's Word *1 John 5:4; Romans 3:31.

James makes it very clear that

James 2:10-11 [10], FOR WHOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW, AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE IS GUILTY OF ALL. [11], FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, SAID ALSO, DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU COMMIT NO ADULTERY, YET IF YOU KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF THE LAW.

God's 4th commandment is one of Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and breaking Gods' 4th commandment when God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word just like anyone of God's 10 commandments is sin according to the scriptures.

There is not one scripture an all of Gods' Word that says Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day or rest. This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to break Gods' 4th commandment. Jesus even saying in his own words if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9.

I believe the final test to our world is coming. Who do we believe and follow God or man?

What are your thoughts?
 
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Sis I think the problem for many here is that they do not understand the purpose of Gods' Law in the new covenant. What are your thoughts? I believe the scriptures teach that, no one is saved by keeping Gods' law according to the scriptures we are saved by God's grace through faith alone we only keep God's commandments because we love God and believe and follow His Words *John 14:15; John 15:10.

As posted in different places already obedience to God's Law is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14.

I think many people do not understand what the old covenant actually is or the role of Gods' 10 commandments in the new covenant. They think that they old covenant was only the 10 commandments. While the 10 commandments were included the old covenant according to the scriptures *Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13 it was only a part of the old covenant designed to give God's people a knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing). The old covenant also included all the "shadow laws" for remission of sins (Levitical Priesthood; laws for remission of sins through animal sacrifices and sin offerings, the ceremonial laws for the earthly sanctuary, annual Feasts, circumcision etc) and all the other laws written by Moses in the book of the covenant *Exodus 24:7.

It is these "shadow laws" from the Mosaic book of the covenant that have been changed based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6 according to Gods' Word in Hebrews not God's 10 commandments. So in the new covenant we no longer follow the old covenant "shadow laws" for remission of sins. Jesus today is our great High Priest *Hebrews 7:1-25 ministering on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man of which the earthly was just a copy *Hebrews 8:2-5, Jesus of course representing God's true sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all *John 1:29; 36; Hebrews 10:10.

It is the "shadow laws" for remission of sins from the Mosaic book of the covenant that are now fulfilled in the new covenant based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6; Hebrews 9:1-12; Hebrews 10:1-17 in the body of Christ *Colossians 2:17. According to the scriptures both God's 10 commandments as well as the Mosaic BOOK of the covenant were kept in the Ark of the covenant. God's 10 commandment were placed inside the Ark of the covenant underneath the mercy seat *Exodus 25:16-17; Deuteronomy 10:1-5 while the book of the covenant *Exodus 24:7 was placed in the side of the Ark *Deuteronomy 31:24-26.

So the full story here is that both God's 10 commandments as well as the Mosaic book of the law (Exodus 24:7; Deuteronomy 28:61; 29:21; 30:10; 31:24-26; Josiah 1:8; 8:31-34; 23:6; 24:26; 2 Kings 14:6; 22:8-11; 23:24; 2 Chronicles 17:9; 25:4; 34:14-15; Nehemiah 8:1-8;18; 9:3; Galatians 3:10; Hebrews 9:19; Hebrews 10:7 etc) collectively make up the old covenant not just God’s 10 commandments.

It is the old covenant "shadow laws" for the remission of sins that pointed to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the new covenant based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6. Hebrews 10:1-17; Psalms 40:7, that are fulfilled and continued in Christ not God's 10 commandments.

The "shadow laws are those laws for the remission of sins that are fulfilled and continued in the body of Christ *Colossians 2:17 in the new covenant as it is also written "Then said I, See, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me , Then said I, See, I come in the volume of the book it is written of me, to do your will, O God * Hebrews 10:7 from Psalms 40:7. It is the volume of the book that pointed to Jesus that is fulfilled in the new covenant based on better promises not God's 10 commandments which are continued in the new covenant and according to the scriptures give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 (more scripture support here and here).

So to say we know what sin is without having Gods' 10 commandments is not biblical because the scriptures teach us that it is only by the law we have a knowledge of what sin is according to Paul in Romans 3:20 and Romans 7:7 which agrees with John in 1 John 3:4 and James in James 2:10-11.

It is the new ministration of the Spirit of God working through those who believe God's Word with Jesus as ministering on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary that God promises to change our hearts to love that fulfills God's new covenant promise of salvation from sins to those who believe and follow Gods' Word according to Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:23-27 that Paul talks about in Hebrews 8:10-12 and Hebrews 10:1-22.

We need to be born again according to Jesus from the inside out to walk in God's Spirit of love *John 3:3-7; Matthew 22:36-40; Galatians 5:16 because those who have been born again into God's new covenant promise do not knowingly practice sin (breaking God's commandments) according to John in 1 John 3:6-9 and those who do have not seen or know God according to 1 John 2:3-4. No one loves God by breaking His commandments as love is expressed through obedience to God's law according to Jesus in Matthew 22:36-40, Paul in Romans 13:8-10; James in James 2:8-12 and John in 1 John 5:2-3 as we have faith in God's Word *1 John 5:4; Romans 3:31.

James makes it very clear that

James 2:10-11 [10], FOR WHOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW, AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE IS GUILTY OF ALL. [11], FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, SAID ALSO, DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU COMMIT NO ADULTERY, YET IF YOU KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF THE LAW.

God's 4th commandment is one of Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and breaking Gods' 4th commandment when God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word just like anyone of God's 10 commandments is sin according to the scriptures.

There is not one scripture an all of Gods' Word that says Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day or rest. This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to break Gods' 4th commandment. Jesus even saying in his own words if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9.

I believe the final test to our world is coming. Who do we believe and follow God or man?

What are your thoughts?

I think everyone should take these scriptures to heart. What you have written is an excellent summary supported with scripture of the importance of obeying God, how it applies to everyone in the New Covenant, how our hearts will change with true belief and love for our Savior, the importance of keeping God's Holy day which is part of God's commandments.

I believe in the promises of the Bible that Jesus is coming quickly. God's saints keep the faith and the commandments of God Revelations 14:12 and the door is open to everyone, we have a patient, loving Savior and I really do not think He is asking for much. Why do so many people have an issue with obeying God's Words?

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.
 
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What if he had said
  • "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
  • "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
  • "2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and follow His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome." 1 John 5:2-4
Thanks Bob, the commandments in NT is to believed the Gospel and Love others...if you focus on these two commandments you live just like Jesus...

Also if you quote 1Jon5:2-4 regards the commandments is John is referring to then read the two previous verses 1John 5:1-2..
 
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SDA's and other 7th day Sabbath worshippers do not judge those who do not worship or keeping the 7th day Sabbath.

See first if you really keep the 7th day Sabbath according to the law before you say to others to keep it...

Whatever commandments are there are summed up in this ONE COMMAND. ."Love your neighbor"
Love=Patience
Love=kind
Love=does not envy
Love=does not boast
Love=it is not proud
Love=does not dishonored others
Love=is Not self seeking..etc

Love =Keep 7th day Sabbath???? Cannot find it in NT

Love only comes from a Pure heart, good conscience and sincere faith..
 
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SDA's and other 7th day Sabbath worshippers do not judge those who do not worship or keeping the 7th day Sabbath.

See first if you really keep the 7th day Sabbath according to the law before you say to others to keep it...

Whatever commandments are there are summed up in this ONE COMMAND. ."Love your neighbor"
Love=Patience
Love=kind
Love=does not envy
Love=does not boast
Love=it is not proud
Love=does not dishonored others
Love=is Not self seeking..etc

Love =Keep 7th day Sabbath???? Cannot find it in NT

Love only comes from a Pure heart, good conscience and sincere faith..

See Matthew 22:36-40. Jesus says on these two commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets. Do you love your neighbor by lying stealing and killing them? Do you love God by making idols and worshiping them, using his name in vain, having other Gods and breaking his Sabbath? See Romans 13:8-10 where Paul agrees with Jesus saying that loving our neighbor as our self is simply summing up those of the 10 commandment that are our duty of love to our fellow man as does James in James 2:8-12 which is why John says in 1 John 5:2-3 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. No one can claim that they love God or their fellow man by breaking God's commandments because love according to the scriptures is expressed in obedience to them not breaking them. According to John those who say they know God but breaking his commandments are not telling the truth in 1 John 2:3-4 and that they are the children of the devil in 1 John 3:6-10. So who should we follow; God or men? *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

Something to pray about.
 
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See Matthew 22:36-40. Jesus says on these two commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets. Do you love your neighbor by lying stealing and killing them? Do you love God by making idols and worshiping them, using his name in vain, having other Gods and breaking his Sabbath? See Romans 13:8-10 where Paul agrees with Jesus saying that loving our neighbor as our self is simply summing up those of the 10 commandment that are our duty of love to our fellow man as does James in James 2:8-12 which is why John says in 1 John 5:2-3 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. No one can claim that they love God or their fellow man by breaking God's commandments because love according to the scriptures is expressed in obedience to them not breaking them. According to John those who say they know God but breaking his commandments are not telling the truth in 1 John 2:3-4 and that they are the children of the devil in 1 John 3:6-10. So who should we follow; God or men? *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

Something to pray about.
Hello LGW, put it this way is lying comes from love? Is murder comes from love? Is worship other gods ie money, fame, pride etc comes from Love (loving God)?

Love is the center of all commandments..if you find love you live righteous...not hard!

I already mentioned what love is about.."is whatever good you ought to do to others"...again not hard!

I'll just keep it short...
 
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Hello LGW, put it this way is lying comes from love? Is murder comes from love? Is worship other gods ie money, fame, pride etc comes from Love (loving God)?

Love is the center of all commandments..if you find love you live righteous...not hard!

I already mentioned what love is about.."is whatever good you ought to do to others"...again not hard!

I'll just keep it short...

As posted earlier in the post you are quoting from no one loves God or their fellow man by breaking anyone of God''s 10 commandments. What is it in the post you are quoting from that you disagree with and if you agree with what I have posted then what excuse do you now have to justify breaking God's 4th commandment? I agree this is not very hard if we believe and follow Gods' Word.
 
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As posted earlier in the post you are quoting from no one loves God or their fellow man by breaking anyone of God''s 10 commandments. What is it in the post you are quoting from that you disagree with and if you agree with what I have posted then what excuse do you now have to justify breaking God's 4th commandment? I agree this is not very hard if we believe and follow Gods' Word.
Love does not break any commandments it "fulfilled" it..unless you disagree with that..

Fulfill in the sense of "completeness"..ie if you show love youre being made complete in God...read 1John with a spiritual understanding...

"Love" is the fruit of your belief...

Okay keep encourage one another and don't judge..we are all fallen people and all rely on the mercy of our God, therefore show mercy to one another if you want God to show mercy on you...
 
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Love does not break any commandments it "fulfilled" it..unless you disagree with that...

Exactly then why do you not keep God's 4th commandment? We do not fulfill Gods' law by breaking God's law according to Paul in Romans 13:8-10; James in James 2:8-12 and John in 1 John 5:2-3.
 
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Exactly then why do you not keep God's 4th commandment? We so not fulfill Gods' law by breaking God's law according to Paul in Romans 13:8-10; James in James 2:8-12 and John in 1 John 5:2-3.
Good question..first the 10 commandments were given through a covenant in Sinai...

You need to know who is involved in this covenant... (very important)..

Second, All the commandments given including the 4th commandment of the Sabbath must be kept AND if "Any" of the commandments is Not being kept then ALL the commandments were Not being kept as well..including the 7th day Sabbath commandment..

Eg..if you say you keep the 7th day Sabbath but you tell lies, or have hatred towards someone or have jealousy, or envious etc then you also failed to even keep the 7th day Sabbath as commanded...very simple!

So examine first yourself, whether you're right with God then you can be a witness to others...

Show mercy and do not judge...God is full of mercy, therefore show mercy..
 
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Do you disagree with Jesus? (John 3:15,16,18) What about with Peter and Paul? (Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31) I thought you believed we are not saved by works. So what must we accomplish and "add" as a supplement to Christ's finished work of redemption in order to help Christ save us?

It's not the Gospel of the Christ of the Bible that I question. It's the religious philosophies of men, and the gospel they promote, which you are furthering here.

You preach that we are not saved by obedient Works. But Jesus said to "Repent". Undoubtedly a Work, without which one shall "NOT" be saved.

Now the argument you are promoting here, is that by me "obeying the Christ", I am somehow suggesting that HE needs my help in saving me. That I am trying to be "saved" by MY Works. That I am "ADDING" obedience as a "supplement" for Salvation. And further more, I have fallen from Grace because i am relying on "works" that God Commanded me to do, in order to garner HIS mercy.

But Jesus, the Jesus of your own Bible, flat out said;

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

And Paul also teaches this very same thing.

Acts 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:

20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should (ALL) repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.


So you see the dilemma here. We have you, and most of the mainstream religious franchises of this world, telling me I am responsible for nothing regarding my own Salvation. And worse, if I humble myself and obey as instructed, I have fallen from Grace.

But on the other hand I have Jesus telling me to first "Repent" or I am not saved. HE says if I want to inherit a Gift first promised to Abraham, I must "Keep the Commandments" as Abraham did.

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

The demons "believe", but they don't repent. They don't "Live In" the "Way of the Lord".

Truly James speaks the truth. "Faith without "works" is Dead". Can "DEAD" Faith Save you?

So then, who shall I believe? The religious philosophies of the land i was born into? Or the very Word's of the Christ Himself?

And didn't Abraham also have to make this choice?
 
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Good question..first the 10 commandments were given through a covenant in Sinai...

You need to know who is involved in this covenant... (very important)..

Second, All the commandments given including the 4th commandment of the Sabbath must be kept AND if "Any" of the commandments is Not being kept then ALL the commandments were Not being kept as well..including the 7th day Sabbath commandment..

Eg..if you say you keep the 7th day Sabbath but you tell lies, or have hatred towards someone or have jealousy, or envious etc then you also failed to even keep the 7th day Sabbath as commanded...very simple!

So examine first yourself, whether you're right with God then you can be a witness to others...

Show mercy and do not judge...God is full of mercy, therefore show mercy..

According to Jesus God made the Sabbath for all mankind in Mark 2:27. The Sabbath was made for all mankind on the "seventh day" of the creation week *Genesis 2:1-3. There was no Moses, no Israel, no Jew, no sin, no law and no plan of salvation and no covenant given to mankind when God made the Sabbath for all mankind according to the scriptures. Now let me ask you again why do you not keep Gods' 4th commandment? You argument and teaching promotes lawlessness (without law) which is not biblical. The new covenant teaches us that sin is the transgression of the law in 1 John 3:4 and that through the law we have a knowledge of what sin is in Romans 3:20; Paul goes on to show that he is discussing the 10 commandments here in Romans 7:7 while James tells us that if we break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11. John also says that those who practice sin (breaking God's law) and those who do not practice sin is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil in 1 John 3:9-10, while Jesus also says unless we are born again through faith to walk in God's Spirit we will not enter into God's kingdom in John 3:3-7. This once again is because those who are born again to love do not practice sin *1 John 3:6-9 (breaking God's commandments). If we profess to know God while continuing in known unrepentant sin according to John we are lying to ourselves and the truth is not in us (see 1 John 2:3-4). So who should we believe and follow; God or man? For me only Gods' Words are true and we should believe and follow them.
 
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According to Jesus God made the Sabbath for all mankind in Mark 2:27. The Sabbath was made for all mankind on the "seventh day" of the creation week *Genesis 2:1-3. There was no Moses, no Israel, no Jew, no sin, no law and no plan of salvation and no covenant given to mankind when God made the Sabbath for all mankind according to the scriptures. Now let me ask you again why do you not keep Gods' 4th commandment? You argument and teaching promotes lawlessness (without law) which is not biblical. The new covenant teaches us that sin is the transgression of the law in 1 John 3:4 and that through the law we have a knowledge of what sin is in Romans 3:20; Paul goes on to show that he is discussing the 10 commandments here in Romans 7:7 while James tells us that if we break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11. John also says that those who practice sin (breaking God's law) and those who do not practice sin is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil in 1 John 3:9-10, while Jesus also says unless we are born again through faith to walk in God's Spirit we will not enter into God's kingdom in John 3:3-7. This once again is because those who are born again to love do not practice sin *1 John 3:6-9 (breaking God's commandments). If we profess to know God while continuing in known unrepentant sin according to John we are lying to ourselves and the truth is not in us (see 1 John 2:3-4). So who should we believe and follow; God or man? For me only Gods' Words are true and we should believe and follow them.
Yes I agree, God made the Sabbath for all mankind...but it didn't say God made the 7th day Sabbath for all mankind..
read with a spiritual understanding so you won't be deceived..
 
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