Diner pulls gun on armed BLM protestors

Handmaid for Jesus said:

So in your opinion, the guy who pulled the gun on the protesters was justified in his provocative act because of something that happened in the past?

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Were the protesters there to order dinner?

It's funny how you see an armed diner pulling out his gun as provocative...but not the armed protesters entering the restaurant.

Let's be 100% clear. You don't have any right to protest on private property. None. You can protest in public....but unless they showed up to order dinner...they were all breaking the law.

SummerMadness said:

Okay, then I can shoot him if I see him then. He might pull a gun on me as he did here.

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As long as you weren't protesting on private property....like these idiots.

Gregorikos said:

I can't think of a law violation they could charge him with. Can you?

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How about threatening with a deadly weapon?

SummerMadness said:

Okay, then I can shoot him if I see him then. He might pull a gun on me as he did here.

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If you think that would be justified, I say go for it! And may the prosecutors and jury agree with you.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

How about threatening with a deadly weapon?

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I'm not sure that's a law in Kentucky to be honest.

Gregorikos said:

If you think that would be justified, I say go for it! And may the prosecutors and jury agree with you.

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Why would it not be justified? He is threatening people with a gun here and you said it was justifiable for him to pull a gun because what protesters are capable of, why are you now hedging on my justification? He is clearly capable of shooting me when he pulls a gun out and points it at me.

SummerMadness said:

Why would it not be justified? He is threatening people with a gun here and you said it was justifiable for him to pull a gun because what protesters are capable of,

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I said his concern was justified, and that I didn't know whether it was justifiable for him to pull the gun. Scroll up.

why are you now hedging on my justification? He is clearly capable of shooting me when he pulls a gun out and points it at me.

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That's not for me to decide. That's between you and the legal system.

The Second Amendment is not just for white Americans.

Good guys with guns would not look at gun owners who were people of color and expect the worst. Good guys with guns would realize that gun-owning people of color might have far more need of a gun to protect themselves. They might live in neighborhoods with gang violence, for example.

Good guys with guns would feel a sense of brotherhood and camaraderie with gun-owning people of color (just as I feel a sense of sisterhood and camaraderie with people of all colors who don't own guns.)

The white man who initiated the confrontation was not a good guy with a gun. He would have scared me to death, his having initiated the aggression, and I probably would have walked out without finishing my dinner.

But yeah. Being a good guy with a gun means respecting the rights of others who own guns, no matter what their ethnicity.

Ana the Ist said:

Were the protesters there to order dinner?

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It is a probability since they were in the outdoor dining area.And, since there was no violence, it is doubtful the protesters intended violence. They were protesters, yes, but they were not protesting the restaurant . The restaurant was not their destination. Maybe their numbers spooked the white guy who pulled the gun. He could have provoked another person with a gun to shoot him. I am glad cooler heads prevailed. He could have provoked a blood bath.

Ana the Ist said:

Let's be 100% clear. You don't have any right to protest on private property. None. You can protest in public....but unless they showed up to order dinner...they were all breaking the law.

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I think the protesters were on public property. The tables there are on the sidewalk. That's where it gets murky.

Gregorikos said:

That's Kentucky's Stand Your Ground statute. It applies in this situation too.

Kentucky Revised Statutes | Chapter 503 - GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF JUSTIFICATION | Casetext

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He could have been killed. Thank God for cooler heads prevailing.

Gregorikos said:

I said his concern was justified, and that I didn't know whether it was justifiable for him to pull the gun. Scroll up.

That's not for me to decide. That's between you and the legal system.

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Well, anyone can say their concern is justified. Michael Dunn and Jeffrey Zeigler justifies about what this man is capable of, seems like a meaningless statement. The existence of people similar to someone else does not justify anything. Now, if they were physically threatening him, then yeah, I understand justifiable concern, but mere existence?

disciple Clint said:

Diner pulls gun on armed BLM protestors

Louisville diner pulls gun on armed BLM protestors in shocking video
A diner pulled a gun on armed Black Lives Matter protesters . A restaurant worker told police “that multiple armed protesters entered the restaurant property, which included outdoor dining space,” Five protest related arrests were made, including a suspect charged with possession of a handgun by a convicted felon and first-degree wanton endangerment of an officer

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Can't say I blame him. A bunch of screaming thugs walk up to me while I'm eating dinner, I'm going to feel threatened too.

renniks said:

Can't say I blame him. A bunch of screaming thugs walk up to me while I'm eating dinner, I'm going to feel threatened too.

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Are you arguing that I can pull a gun on people screaming at me?

SummerMadness said:

Are you arguing that I can pull a gun on people screaming at me?

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If you feel you are in imminent danger of bodily harm and possible death, yes.

renniks said:

Can't say I blame him. A bunch of screaming thugs walk up to me while I'm eating dinner, I'm going to feel threatened too.

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We do not have evidence that the protesters were screaming at HIM. or anyone else.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

We do not have evidence that the protesters were screaming at HIM. or anyone else.

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Did you watch the video?

renniks said:

Did you watch the video?

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I posted the video.

renniks said:

If you feel you are in imminent danger of bodily harm and possible death, yes.

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I never realized that screaming at someone could be taken as imminent danger. Does the decibel level matter? Like if someone is screaming and it could damage your ear drums, shoot them to protect yourself.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

I posted the video.

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Lots of screaming going on. No, we don't know what happened earlier. I guess the courts will decide. BLM has certainly does this kind of thing other places, getting in people's faces in restaurants and demanding they chant with them, etc, but the southern states might be a bad place to pull that crap.