Factory Mixup ruins 15 million Covid-19 vaccine doses

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That sounds good if it were a real vaccine and this disease was of natural origin. AIDS came from monkeys, we have bird flu snd swine flu. Where did Covid-19 come from?

But it is selective. Funny how it made its way into every nursing home across the U.S. ( wiped out those Medicare costs)

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Did that say nursing home residents account for 38% of all covid deaths? That is a lot of people. So much for the Baby Boomer crisis they were worried about. Clearly engineered.

Why did I just KNOW this would turn out to be a conspiracy theory.....
 
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I will choose stores and businesses that require their employees to be vaccinated. I won’t be the only one.

And then when the mark of the beast becomes a requirement for people to gain employment will you support that too? Will you side with the business and stores that require their employees to be "marked"?


These are supposed to be perfect and safe. And they are not.

Here is a question for those who believe vaccines offer protection and keep people safe - If they are safe and effective, why are these manufacturers protected from legal liability should something go wrong? Surely a company that promotes a product that is considered "safe" shouldn't need protection from legal liability?

Oh this vaccine must have a mind control harrassing element to it because not one person has been able to say," yeah if I hadn't already been vaccinated this would concern me too."

You make a very valid point there.
 
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Johnson and Johnson ruined 15 million doses of the vaccine, by mixing up the ingredients and everyone wants to preach how safe it is? That is just that we know of. I will say it again. These people don't know what they are doing and I don't trust what they are concocting to put into my body! They aren't helping the cause much are they? I just keep on hearing more and more reasons not to get it while they keep trying to shove it down our throats. What is in the vaccine that they want us to have so bad?? Because it isn't to fight the virus. More people who have been vaccinated are getting Covid than those who aren't vaccinated! So what is really in the vaccine? What does it really do to us?

- The fact that they detected the issue and prevented the 15 million doses from going out is a testament to how robust their Quality Assurance process is. Had those 15 million doses shipped at got administered, then there'd be a huge problem

- "These people don't know what they are doing and I don't trust what they are concocting to put into my body!". You act as if it's some random mad scientists in a lab, laughing diabolically while pouring glowing green chemicals into a beaker in some cartoonish manner.

Quick question...are you one who likes to take things like "naturopathic/homeopathic" supplements? Or things like essential oils? Or embraces things like Chiropractic/Homeopathy? ...Just curious. (because all of those things have been less tested & less regulated than vaccinations, and for a few of them, unequivocally proven to be nonsensical pseudoscience) From my own personal observations, the people who shout the loudest about "Who knows what's in these vaccines?!?!"...are the same people who are perfectly content to take a product from the Mercola or "Dr" Axe website, that hides the ingredients behind the line item "immune boosting formula" and even states clearly on the bottle that it's not reviewed by the FDA.


- "What is in the vaccine that they want us to have so bad?? Because it isn't to fight the virus." Well poisoning fallacy.

- "More people who have been vaccinated are getting Covid than those who aren't vaccinated!" ...sorry, that's just a blatant falsehood. There have been 9,200 breakthrough cases identified by the CDC among the 90 million fully vaccinated, over a period of several months. (of them, only 825 hospitalizations, and only 132 deaths) Pre-vaccines, and among the non-vaccinated, the numbers are much higher on all 3 metrics over the same time period.

- "So what is really in the vaccine? What does it really do to us?" ...lemme guess, you have some sort of theory about it pertaining to mind control, micro-chipping, population control, or Bill Gates (and/or George Soros) that you read on a website somewhere?

Let's skip all the semantics and you can just give us what your theory is, and that'll probably save all of us quite a bit of time.
 
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Here is a question for those who believe vaccines offer protection and keep people safe - If they are safe and effective, why are these manufacturers protected from legal liability should something go wrong? Surely a company that promotes a product that is considered "safe" shouldn't need protection from legal liability?

Actually, drug companies aren't entirely protected from liability (that's a misconception). Drug companies have been sued and had to pay out massive sums on multiple occasions.

Now, if you're referring specifically to the "National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program", we can discuss that...specifically, why it was put in place, and why moneys paid out from it aren't proving what anti-vaccine people think it proves.

That was put in place to protect vaccine makers (who are making life-saving products) from getting bankrupted by frivolous lawsuits...which is a risk that could de-incentivize people from making them.

To use an analogy... let's pretend for a moment that there were a fringe group of people who thought that toilet paper caused rectal cancer. We need TP, however, if someone sues Charmin for a massive sum, and the judge or jury (who's not well-educated on the subject) rules in favor of the plaintiff, no company is going to want to make it anymore if they think there's a risk that they can be wiped out by a gullible judge or jury.


The program first started getting a lot of attention during the Hannah Poling case...in which anti-vaccine people used the fact that the family got paid as "proof" that the courts were claiming they agreed with the family's assertion that the vaccine was the cause of her condition. However, it was actually quite the opposite.

A snippet from the presiding Judge in that case:
I am well aware, of course, that during the years since the “test cases” were decided, in two cases involving vaccinees suffering from ASDs, Vaccine Act compensation was granted.
But in neither of those cases did the Respondent concede, nor did a special master find, that there was any “causation-in-fact” connection between a vaccination and the vaccinee’s ASD. Instead, in both cases it was conceded or found that the vaccinee displayed the symptoms of a Table Injury within the Table time frame after vaccination. (See Section I above).

In Poling v. HHS, the presiding special master clarified that the family was compensated because the Respondent conceded that the Poling child had suffered a Table Injury–not because the Respondent or the special master had concluded that any vaccination had contributed to causing or aggravating the child’s ASD. See Poling v. HHS, No. 02-1466V, 2011 WL 678559

The compensation of these two cases, thus does not afford any support to the notion that vaccinations can contribute to the causation of autism. In setting up the Vaccine Act
compensation system, Congress forthrightly acknowledged that the Table Injury presumptions would result in compensation for some injuries that were not, in fact, truly vaccine-caused. H.R. Rept. No. 99-908, 18, 1986 U.S.C.C.A.N. 6344, 6359.



Or, to put it more succinctly, vaccines that have been proven to be largely safe, and provide benefits that exponentially outweigh the risks, are necessary, and congress passed this with the intention of making sure that the threat of frivolous lawsuits wouldn't deter companies from making them.

So congress basically said (paraphrasing), "yeah, we know there's some shady lawyers out there, and some dumb juries, and uneducated judges...so if for some reason you're hit with one of these frivolous lawsuits, don't stop making your product, we'll pick up the tab"
 
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Right now we haven't gotten to the place we were last year at this time and many places in the US are volunteering to become virus reservoirs where it will be bounce around and mutate so that we'll never get out of this situation.

Based on what many epidemiologists are saying, there's still reason to be hopeful.

While it's true that the anti-vaxxers are going to undoubtedly create more variants, thus far, the current vaccines still offer benefits. Even for the variants that that partially evade them (like the South African variant), while it's not as effective at stopping infection as a whole, it does seem to be effective at keeping an infection (if one does occur) in the category of "mild" and reduces hospitalization and death outcomes.

So, in a perfect would, people would quit buying into conspiracies and get the vaccine, and prevent most transmission altogether... however, reducing the severity of the cases down to that cold or mild flu is still a net positive.
 
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Actually, drug companies aren't entirely protected from liability (that's a misconception). Drug companies have been sued and had to pay out massive sums on multiple occasions.

I am aware that drug companies have been sued, I was mainly referring to the vaccines, and my understanding is they are protected the manufacturers.

So, in a perfect would, people would quit buying into conspiracies and get the vaccine, and prevent most transmission altogether... however, reducing the severity of the cases down to that cold or mild flu is still a net positive.

I have had experience with varying degrees of flu type viruses over the years, sometimes bad (at same time others don't get it bad) and vice versa, where others get it bad at most I have mild, so it all depends. And I have not had any type of flu vaccines.

The last 2 years, I have not had any kind flu (apart from my seasonal allergies issues). And I have not been vaccinated. So I must be doing something right. Now it can be because I try to get reasonable amount of sunlight, i limit the amount of processed foods and take out who knows?

But I will not take flu vaccines because I do not know what ingredients are inside there, and I do not know how I will react.
 
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So congress basically said (paraphrasing), "yeah, we know there's some shady lawyers out there, and some dumb juries, and uneducated judges...so if for some reason you're hit with one of these frivolous lawsuits, don't stop making your product, we'll pick up the tab"
It should also be noted:

The VICP also protects consumers. The burden of proof is much lower than civil court. If your condition fits the injury table for the given vaccine, you get compensated. You, as a consumer, don't have to prove that vaccine is what caused your injury; the court just assumes that it did.

Additionally, consumers can still sue the vaccine makers in normal civil court if the court doesn't find in their favor. It's just that now it's going to be a more difficult suit.

So the court protects both consumers AND manufacturers. It protects manufacturers from having to spend a lot of money on fighting (potentially frivolous) lawsuits and on the flip side, protects consumers from having to shell out a bunch in legal fees to get compensated for an injury that can be very difficult to prove.

End result is manufacturers are will continue making vaccines, which are not very profitable so high legal costs are a deterrent; and people feel more comfortable getting vaccinated because they have a better chance of getting compensated if they feel they were injured by the vaccine.
 
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I am aware that drug companies have been sued, I was mainly referring to the vaccines, and my understanding is they are protected the manufacturers.

Yes, per the details I posted above, there are specific protections offered for vaccines as to not de-incentivize vaccine makers from making their products out of fear that they may be bankrupted by a frivolous lawsuit.

Basically, think of any product that's a necessity or vitally beneficial...

Imagine, now, that there's a subset of people who've concocted a conspiracy theory about that product, and decided to start suing the makers of that product.

It's only going to take 1 or 2 lawsuits being lost before every entity making that product bails out of fear of being wiped out.
 
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But I will not take flu vaccines because I do not know what ingredients are inside there, and I do not know how I will react.

In the overwhelming majority of flu shots:

- Inactivated influenza viruses
- Egg protein
- Thimerosal (although, upon specific requests, you can get ones without it)
- Sorbitol
- Monosodium Glutamate
- Trace levels of Neomycin
- Polysorbate 80

As a point of reference, apart from the inactivated flu viruses themselves and Neomycin (which is a very mild antibiotic with a nearly impeccable safety profile in trace amounts), each of the other ingredients are consumed (and absorbed), in much much higher quantities, if you eat any of the following

Eggs (egg protein)
Fish (specifically Salmon or Tuna) (Thimerosal)
Any sort of store bought sweets (Sorbitol)
Chinese food or any form of store-bought or restaurant-prepared food involving rice (Monosodium Glutamate)
Salad dressing or any form of BBQ sauce (Polysorbate 80)


Or, to put it in perspective.

If, for breakfast, you eat 2 eggs
For lunch, you have a meal involving a salad (w/ dressing)
For dinner, you have fish (and have a cookie for dessert)

...and at any other point in your life, you've consumed bbq sauce, Chinese food, or rice prepared in a restaurant

You've taken in more of the "concerning" substances than what you would getting 20 flu vaccines just by having any of those aforementioned foods once.


Whenever people express concerns about mercury (Thimerosal) in vaccines, I typically tell them "well, I hope you've never eaten fish"... and when people talk about Polysorbate 80, I tell them "I hope you haven't ever had salad dressing or BBQ sauce"
 
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I think you’re confusing 2 numbers, the percent of Covid cases in nursing home and the percent of nursing home residents affected. About 10% have died. It’s a shocking number, but not big enough to solve cost problems. Most nursing home costs are staffing. Losing 10% of the residents doesn’t lose 10% of the costs, but probably does lose 10% of the income.

https://covidtracking.com/nursing-homes-long-term-care-facilities

According to Forbes magazine, Of the U.S.’s more than 116,000 Covid-19 deaths, over 50,000 died in nursing homes or other long-term care facilities, according to a Tuesday analysis by The Wall Street Journal, reaffirming concerns that the country’s oldest and most vulnerable have not been adequately protected during the pandemic.

And the title is
Nursing Homes Account For Over 40% Of U.S. Coronavirus Deaths

My numbers arent off, and Nursing home cases are rising. How is it that the homeless population here is thriving with no masks or social distancing but the virus is finding its way into nursing homes? Probably because the homeless population isn't sucking Medicare dry and costing the government that much money. This all comes down to a broke government. What is the deficit? How did this happen? Why weren't they all fired? We are a sovereign nation! We shouldn't owe China any money! Their money isn't even good here! We need to stop thinking our government cares about us. The stimulus checks were a ploy to gain the trust of the American people. You just WATCH what is about to happen. No one is going to believe it .
 
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The big deal, is 37,000 vs. 500,000, with the 500,000 being done in a year where there was significant effort to control COVID.

If we let it run rampant like the flu a much larger number of people die.

If we were able to control COVID to the point where it kills roughly the same as flu in a year it will be a victory.

The flu? How many people died from the flu last year? How about this year? Look it up. The flu comes every year. What happened? If you think this whole pandemic can be taken at face value and that they are telling 100% truths then we have become pretty naive. Has everyone forgotten the main traits of a politician? Did Uncle Sam turn into Mary Poppins? I dont get it.
 
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According to Forbes magazine, Of the U.S.’s more than 116,000 Covid-19 deaths, over 50,000 died in nursing homes or other long-term care facilities, according to a Tuesday analysis by The Wall Street Journal, reaffirming concerns that the country’s oldest and most vulnerable have not been adequately protected during the pandemic.

And the title is
Nursing Homes Account For Over 40% Of U.S. Coronavirus Deaths

My numbers arent off, and Nursing home cases are rising. How is it that the homeless population here is thriving with no masks or social distancing but the virus is finding its way into nursing homes? Probably because the homeless population isn't sucking Medicare dry and costing the government that much money. This all comes down to a broke government. What is the deficit? How did this happen? Why weren't they all fired? We are a sovereign nation! We shouldn't owe China any money! Their money isn't even good here! We need to stop thinking our government cares about us. The stimulus checks were a ploy to gain the trust of the American people. You just WATCH what is about to happen. No one is going to believe it .

You’re using an article that was last updated June 16, 2020 (over ten months ago). The numbers have changed since then. Nursing homes now account for less than 25% of total deaths from COVID COVID-19 Nursing Home Data | Data.CMS.gov. The homeless are not doing well in this crises. Here is a more up to date article than what you posted Deaths Among America's Homeless Are Soaring in the Pandemic
 
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The flu? How many people died from the flu last year? How about this year? Look it up. The flu comes every year. What happened? If you think this whole pandemic can be taken at face value and that they are telling 100% truths then we have become pretty naive. Has everyone forgotten the main traits of a politician? Did Uncle Sam turn into Mary Poppins? I dont get it.

Even if there were some conspiracy to label every flu death as a covid death as part of some "agenda"...

That would only account for about 50,000 deaths (based on previous year averages). What's your theory on what the other 450,000 deaths were from?
 
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I am not getting the vaccine because statistically I am more likely to die from the vaccine than with the virus. So I will take my chances.
I think everyone is going to be very shocked when they see the long term effects of this vaccine such as organ failure in 3-5 years
These vaccines did horrible in clinical trials with animals.
 
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Even if there were some conspiracy to label every flu death as a covid death as part of some "agenda"...

That would only account for about 50,000 deaths (based on previous year averages). What's your theory on what the other 450,000 deaths were from?
I never suggested they labeled a flu death as a covid death. I am saying the flu didnt happen. Oh you think the flu happened and they are lying about it? That is interesting... Why would they do that? Inflate the covid-19 deaths beyond what they are? What could be the reason for that? We have already seen that 38% of deaths are from nursing homes. There is some reason they want us all vaccinated and they are getting too pushy about it. They do not care about our health. So thats not it. They refer to " herd" immunity. We are cattle to them. There is another reason that hasn't reared its ugly head yet.
 
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Why did I just KNOW this would turn out to be a conspiracy theory.....
Well because most things that involve the government aren't what they seem and they are a bunch of liars who are above the law making it hard to prosecute them. Look ar our deficit! Is that a conspiracy theory? Our money is gone! Why doesn't anyone care about that? We cannot trust any of these people, yet people run ar the chance to rally behind people who have stolen our money, and keep getting rich off of us. Check it out- they have mismanaged our money into the trillions, and they want to throw US in jail for tax fraud???They want to audit US? How about the fact they send is $1600 but they are all millionaires? These are all facts. Not a conspiracy. We deserve an audit to find out where our money has gone since 2001. How did we get so in debt? And everyone wants to keep trusting and voting for these people. And who keeps voting for Pelosi? These people are mostly all bad. Even the devil smiles....
 
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There is some reason they want us all vaccinated and they are getting too pushy about it.

Exactly. This is the very guts of the matter. Why are they (the people concerned) pushing to great lengths get everyone vaccinated? We see mass advertising, promotions and so on.

My opinion, we are not told "the complete truth".
 
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There is some reason they want us all vaccinated and they are getting too pushy about it.
Have you ever tried not breathing? Notice how your body starts getting real pushy about you starting to breathe again?

What is it's real agenda?
 
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Exactly. This is the very guts of the matter. Why are they (the people concerned) pushing to great lengths get everyone vaccinated? We see mass advertising, promotions and so on.

My opinion, we are not told "the complete truth".

I’ll let you in on the secret. People want to get back to normal. They want to hug their friends and go out without masks on with no fear of possibly contracting or passing on a potentially fatal disease.

The vaccine is the ticket to do that but it requires a high enough percentage (probably around 80%) to get it to work. Those who can get the vaccine but won’t keep us from that goal. The more people unvaccinated, the more people who can possibly get this disease and the more chances this disease gets to try to mutate around the vaccine and we go back to square one.

So the reason that everyone is getting g pushed to get vaccinated is so we can go back to how the world was in 2019.
 
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What if this thing keeps on mutating? Have a vaccine shot then it mutates, another updated shot, mutates again and so on?

Not long ago I came across a article (can google this) about Pfizer, the article mention possibility may need a 3rd shot, followed by a annual shot.

Question is why is the virus mutating? There has to be a reason.
 
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